Interim discussion regarding questions from the jury and Arias on the stand #79

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This post is off from the past couple of days of testimony but I'm studying on something. Ms. Arias indicated she went to DB's house, had breakfast with Jack, got the gas cans and left but..she had to go back and return a remote to DB. I found this very odd in and of itself but who knows what is normal or odd with this person (JA). My curiosity is, and please excuse the fact that I do not know this case as well as 99.9% of you, but was there a DVD player stolen from the grandparents home when the gun was stolen. For some reason I am wondering if Ms. Aris possibly provided Jack with a present on that visit. Dunno why, anyone else wonder about that remote ?
 
I think his name is actually Matt McCartney, not McCarthy. On defense witness list. Told investigators in January he would lie for Jodi. They used to date. He is married and may be rethinking lying for a killer, regardless of whether she is is friend. Speculation that he and Jodi conspired to forge letters about pedophilia from Travis. Letters proven to not be in Travis' handwriting. Don't know why he is important since both sides would declare him a liar. But JM keeps bringing up his name. Something is up.

Yes. He also was allegedly writing on the "innocent" site in January 2013. He says there that he is in the public eye and has a family. Someone, way, way back posted a grainy picture of him but I can't find it anymore.
 
I think his name is actually Matt McCartney, not McCarthy. On defense witness list. Told investigators in January he would lie for Jodi. They used to date. He is married and may be rethinking lying for a killer, regardless of whether she is is friend. Speculation that he and Jodi conspired to forge letters about pedophilia from Travis. Letters proven to not be in Travis' handwriting. Don't know why he is important since both sides would declare him a liar. But JM keeps bringing up his name. Something is up.

Is he or was he in Sacramento, CA?
 
Mormon Attorney - just wanted to say how grateful I am to be able to hear your prospective - truly fascinating and invaluable.

Yesterday in this wonderful post which I am linking
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 100 questions from the jury: Arias answering on her 17th day on the stand #78
you said you saw "that look of defeat, of resignation". I never saw that. Can you pinpoint the approximate time you saw that? I'd like to go back and review the video to see that.

TIA

I saw it in the afternoon session. It really struck me. Having said that, it is a very familiar look to me. From your comment and other comments, I am not sure if it would stand out as unique to anyone else. It is a look I look for when I am dealing with a child with similar issues because it is my cue that we are going to get somewhere (as far as helping the child because the act has not worked).
 
Hi HOpe,
During her testimony, Arias said Esther had bought Travis the Astroglide. (sp)
Since it's also an ingredient, some thought she was not specifically speaking of a PERSON, but the way she worded it, it sounded like a girl Travis had previously had sex with.

After a little bit of googling, the only common thread I found is a couple named Jerry and Esther Hicks who wrote....dun dun dun (dramatic music) The Law of Attraction!

And she is the influence for "The Secret".
 
LaViolette is probably receiving pressure from battered women's groups NOT to testify as Arias is not displaying any signs of being battered and would damage the cases of any future battered women going forward. And also if Arias told her that Travis was looking at child *advertiser censored* on the computer, she would have to reveal that on cross and that we know is an outright lie. If I were her, I'd withdraw from the case. But money talks ...

There is an out for them that someone just mentioned on HLN. Juan Martiez can ask them if they accepted as truth what they told by JA when they formed their opinions. And then he can ask them if their opinion would be different in light of the fact that much of what she has claimed has been discredited in trial testimony. If they are honest and answer 'yes', then careers can go on. Otherwise, I agree that they are risking a huge hit to their professional reputations.
 
This post is off from the past couple of days of testimony but I'm studying on something. Ms. Arias indicated she went to DB's house, had breakfast with Jack, got the gas cans and left but..she had to go back and return a remote to DB. I found this very odd in and of itself but who knows what is normal or odd with this person (JA). My curiosity is, and please excuse the fact that I do not know this case as well as 99.9% of you, but was there a DVD player stolen from the grandparents home when the gun was stolen. For some reason I am wondering if Ms. Aris possibly provided Jack with a present on that visit. Dunno why, anyone else wonder about that remote ?

There has been some discussion about this possibility. When she was asked about it, she said a tv or dvd remote. JM asks her how it came to be in her car and she responds that she doesn't know. I don't believe DB was asked about this but I suppose he could be later???
 
A little off topic, but does anyone know why Wilmott was not the one directing questions to JA, instead of Nurmi? Was this a calculated strategy, or did they feel Wilmott just did not have the experience?

I know disparaging remarks are discouraged here - but let's face it, Nurmi is such a disgusting, long-winded, perverted slob that I think the jury now hates him almost as much as JA. They are done with his nonsense. He is clearly detracting from the defense presentation at this point.

The only time I saw Wilmott on the floor, she actually seemed fairly likeable.
 
Can Mr Martinez turn both Experts against Jodi (in an honest way) by allowing them to talk then presenting them with the new things uncovered?

Giving them a chance to change some info they thought about her?

You have to wonder if this expert testifies that she believes Jodi was abused what would the jury be thinking. If this person were an expert in this field you would think they would be able to spot that Jodi is a sociopath. jmo
 
:great::great::great: WOW !

I just finished watching yesterday afternoon's portion of the trial where Mr. Martinez NAILED Jodi on her LIES ... Mr. Martinez was FABULOUS !

I can't wait to see Mr. Martinez "in action" next Wedenesday !

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

:fireworks::fireworks::fireworks: :fireworks::fireworks::fireworks:
 
Yes. It had to be at least 30" away or he would have had stippling (burn) from a gunshot at close range. This burn does not wash off and was not found on his body per the ME.

You only get soot or stippling at close range of a couple of feet or so and trying to hit something with any accuracy at 30 feet with a 25 cal and moving target would be a bit of a strech.
 
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A little off topic, but does anyone know why Wilmott was not the one directing questions to JA, instead of Nurmi? Was this a calculated strategy, or did they feel Wilmott just did not have the experience?

I know disparaging remarks are discouraged here - but let's face it, Nurmi is such a disgusting, long-winded, perverted slob that I think the jury now hates him almost as much as JA. They are done with his nonsense. He is clearly detracting from the defense presentation at this point.

The only time I saw Wilmott on the floor, she actually seemed fairly likeable.

Nurmi is the first chair. Wilmott, I believe will probably take over if she is convicted. jmo
 
4. He never got flustered. As a parent, this is one thing we learn right away. To have calm control.



I don't mean to be argumentative because I think Jodi is not only guilty but Juan is doing a good job however...he DOES get flustered. Take this as the latest example:

@ 24:30

Juan: "One of the psychologists is Richard Samual's that you told, right?"

Jodi "That was not the psychologists"

Juan "Ma'am I did not ask if that was one of the psychologists, did I?"


*ugh*


Yes you did Juan.


http://youtu.be/4BaLE7MiXvI?t=24m28s
 
Honestly, I was amazed at how he knew exactly what to do with this personality. It is something I have learned as a "therapeutic parent" and was literally delighted that he understood how he needed to handle her. Here are some examples:

1. Non-sense lying is for control. JA has no respect for anyone but herself. She is smarter than anyone. To keep control, she lies even when it does not benefit her. Not only that, but it is a "test" to see if those interacting with her are smart enough to catch it. If they don't catch her, she sees them as worthless and stupid. If they do catch her and hold her accountable, they gain her respect (even though she still feels brighter). JM showed her right at the outset that he could catch her on EVERY SINGLE lie and that he could prove it. He gained her respect - that's why she looked like she enjoyed it. She finally met a worthy opponent, not just another person who feel for her stuff. Without talking bad about Nurmi, he has obviously fallen for her stuff and has not taken her to task. She does not respect him. If you notice, she tests him all the time by controlling their direct and he lets her do it. Even when he tries to give her answers, she won't always take them. Control, even when it doesn't help her. Nurmi has failed her test. Honestly, I believe she has felt "safer" with JM because he earned her respect, as opposed to Nurmi who has not earned her respect and does not have leadership with her. It literally must be scary for someone like her to be in Nurmi's hands when he has failed her tests. (And, just to clarify, as her own attorney, he did not catch the gas can stuff, he failed to see the margins of the magazines - she has gotten the best of him many times on things he could have helped her on but she didn't trust him).

2. Authority. Once JM establishes control - which is essential - he must keep it. Notice that he constantly says to her, "Mam, did I ask you if you....." when she adds to questions. He is jerking the choke chain, letting her know he is still in control and she is out of line. She bulks back at him a few times, but eventually she does submit.

3. Follow through. JM also taught her from the outset that he will never bluff. Lots of attorneys bluff or hint at evidence that may or may not come in. But, every single time she has lied and he has caught her, he has followed it through ALL THE WAY until the bitter end. In every case, she has not gotten out of it without having to face that she was caught. While this irritated some people, especially when the point was useless, it was essential with her personality that he prove his worthiness to her. One of the reasons he was able to crack her was that she now is somewhat afraid of playing the same antics (not that she won't) because she knows he will prove whatever he brings up. As a result, she is giving up much sooner than in the beginning. Notice that in the interviews with Detective Flores, even when he had actual pictures, she would say "That looks like me. How can that be?" Even photo proof didn't stop the lies. Now, JM has shown her that he will prove each and every detail and it takes the fun out of trying to lie and control him.

4. He never got flustered. As a parent, this is one thing we learn right away. To have calm control. The moment we get angry or hostile or snooty, the child has "won" in their war of control. If they can control your emotions, often that is what makes them feel powerful - it often has nothing to do with the actual outcome of events. Controlling you and your emotions is sufficient to make them feel safe and in charge (also unteachable). By remaining calm, even though animated and sometimes aggressive, he never gave her the feeling of control. Even when he had to follow endless stupid rabbit trails that outsiders thought made him look like a fool, he maintained composure and saw it to the bitter end. That is critical.

In sum, I have honestly wondered who trained him and how he had the faith to do that right. It is very hard and I am sure he had to feel stupid chasing those leads all the way to the end. But, he taught her to respect him. He taught her that he had control. And, every time she is out of line, he jerks her chain again and she often submits. I think it has been brilliant and I am just glad the jury could see it.

Just want to say - as a therapeutic parent - I often have to handle lying and violence with the same calm and be willing to calmly go through lies until we get to the truth. BUT, as parents, we are also therapeutic and giving love because our goal is to change the outcome. So, I don't want anyone to read this and think that we, as parents, need to "jerk our child's chain" as JM has done with JA. He is obviously not trying to therapeutically parent -grin! He is going for pure control and I am amazed at how well he has done it.

Wow! Just wow! This is why I love reading here so much. thank you so very much for your time to educate us all!

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Check out the bank statement from yesterday's testimony - there is a transaction for fuel in Mesquite, NV (off of I-15, n. of Las Vegas near the AZ border) that precedes the transactions in SLC. This would be her first gas station fill up after Pasadena and is almost exactly the distance she would be capable of travelling on 28.5 gallons of fuel (13.5 in car tank and 15 in the three spare tanks).

Approximately 800 miles by my calculation.

28.5 gallons X 28 MPG = 798 miles.

Thanks - I'd like to see the transaction time of the Mesquite receipt to see how long it took her to drive from Mesa to Mesquite. I still think she filled the car tank with gas from the cans as close to Mesa as she could get to maximize her driving distance through Arizona and on to Nevada.
 
Why can't I get anyone to answer this?? :tears:
This is an inadequate answer since Nurmi was putting me to sleep at the time. I don't remember seeing the suicide letters. I remember her talking about what was in them, or maybe reading them? Anyone else? :dunno:
 
A little off topic, but does anyone know why Wilmott was not the one directing questions to JA, instead of Nurmi? Was this a calculated strategy, or did they feel Wilmott just did not have the experience?

I know disparaging remarks are discouraged here - but let's face it, Nurmi is such a disgusting, long-winded, perverted slob that I think the jury now hates him almost as much as JA. They are done with his nonsense. He is clearly detracting from the defense presentation at this point.

The only time I saw Wilmott on the floor, she actually seemed fairly likeable.

Just my opinion, but I could see JA seeing Wilmott as more of a competitor than Nurmi. Her issues force her to try to control anyone - no one is on "her team," even her own defense team (which has got to be a struggle for them). Anyway, I think JA herself probably comes across better with Nurmi because she does not see him as competition. I think with Wilmott, her control issues would be that much worse, especially because I suspect Wilmott has some talent. I think they were forced this way and I will even go so far as to say that I think Nurmi has had to "dumb down" so as not to get a negative reaction from her. I think if he went faster and was more to the point, her argumentative side would spark and they would be sunk even faster. JMO.
 
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