Is there any possibility of a Plea Deal on the Murder Charges?

[affinity]

I think the Defense Strategy has been plea all along. Thinking back to the beginning, even when Terry Lenamon was involved, this "accident theory" was being pitched by the defense in media appearances, court documents, etc. (but not being directed to public, but to prosecution as explained below)

I believe there has been continuous discussion between defense and prosecution (initiated by defense on ALL occasions) for quite a while.....but while prosecution may have been willing to discuss a lesser with LWOP, the defense has been pushing for involuntary manslaughter (or similar) with the "defense" being an accident and subsequent cover-up due to various versions of abuse by Anthony's, as alleged by ICA.

I imagine a conversation similar to the this...

BAEZ: We are willing to discuss a plea based on an unfortunate accident.

PROS: No way. We have duct tape.

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: We have 31 days....

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: No way. We have.....(continue above scenario for remainder of evidence)....

BAEZ: We have mental health experts who will testify to ICA's emotional abuse allegations...

PROS: No way, no how. We have premeditation...

I think plea negotiations have never progressed due to Baez' inexperience. They are too far apart to even negotiate due to the evidence the SA has.

While many have speculated that the defense "pitching" the accident theory in the media recently (think 48 Hours show) is being directed to the public and potential jury members, I think it is being directed at the PROSECUTION TEAM by the defense, as a last ditch effort before HHJP rules on these last motions to exclude.

BAEZ: Look, Jeff, our pro bono jury consultant had no problem pulling together a mock jury that agreed with the accident theory. Did you happen to catch 48 Hours recently? If WE could so easily get a "jury" to agree, we can do it again in the courtroom.

PROS: No comment by JA as he picks himself up off the floor after collapsing in a fit of laughter.

We are just days from jury selection, weeks from Trial Day One. I think all efforts by Team Baez have been directed to try to badger SA into a plea of THEIR choosing, but they have also been aware that they were gambling, and if this didn't work, they would have to negotiate a change of plea that will involve a long incarceration.

I think they will try for a charge with sentence of several years (20 - 40), but will eventually to concede to LWOP when they :truce:.

Yesterday was the final straw for the defense....their last ditch hopes and dreams.

ICA begrudgingly accepted that the evidence was too damning in the fraud case (and took a plea) and I think it will happen here too, especially if CA has any influence with her in protecting family secrets.

HHJP denying these last motions also gives Mason, Finnell and Baez some "ammunition" in dialogue with ICA that the gig is up...she can no longer say, "...but when HHJP grants our motion, THEY can't use that evidence against me!" I just cannot imagine that any of these attorneys have ANY desire to be made fools of during a trial, and walk away with any previous reputations tarnished. I think they are willing to do ANYTHING at this point to avoid a very public trial that will be played out nightly across the country in national media updates.

And I still say the Anthony recent motion is an attempt by CA to make sure she is in the courtroom to "support ICA" when Baez states...

"Judge, may we approach? My client would like to change her plea....."

Post of the day! I feel certain that this is exactly right. It would be disappointing that there is no trial..but Baez knows his "unpopularity" rating is sure to increase exponentially as the taxpayers (and his attorney "peers") get more and more incensed that there is no (and has been no) defense. KC wants to plead guilty and get time served...Baez will have to lie to her and tell her that they will plead guilty, but appeal later and that she'll have to "trust him". KC is screwed for sure (and hooray for that!)

 

[logicalgirl]

I think the Defense Strategy has been plea all along. Thinking back to the beginning, even when Terry Lenamon was involved, this "accident theory" was being pitched by the defense in media appearances, court documents, etc. (but not being directed to public, but to prosecution as explained below)

I believe there has been continuous discussion between defense and prosecution (initiated by defense on ALL occasions) for quite a while.....but while prosecution may have been willing to discuss a lesser with LWOP, the defense has been pushing for involuntary manslaughter (or similar) with the "defense" being an accident and subsequent cover-up due to various versions of abuse by Anthony's, as alleged by ICA.

I imagine a conversation similar to the this...

BAEZ: We are willing to discuss a plea based on an unfortunate accident.

PROS: No way. We have duct tape.

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: We have 31 days....

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: No way. We have.....(continue above scenario for remainder of evidence)....

BAEZ: We have mental health experts who will testify to ICA's emotional abuse allegations...

PROS: No way, no how. We have premeditation...

I think plea negotiations have never progressed due to Baez' inexperience. They are too far apart to even negotiate due to the evidence the SA has.

While many have speculated that the defense "pitching" the accident theory in the media recently (think 48 Hours show) is being directed to the public and potential jury members, I think it is being directed at the PROSECUTION TEAM by the defense, as a last ditch effort before HHJP rules on these last motions to exclude.

BAEZ: Look, Jeff, our pro bono jury consultant had no problem pulling together a mock jury that agreed with the accident theory. Did you happen to catch 48 Hours recently? If WE could so easily get a "jury" to agree, we can do it again in the courtroom.

PROS: No comment by JA as he picks himself up off the floor after collapsing in a fit of laughter.

We are just days from jury selection, weeks from Trial Day One. I think all efforts by Team Baez have been directed to try to badger SA into a plea of THEIR choosing, but they have also been aware that they were gambling, and if this didn't work, they would have to negotiate a change of plea that will involve a long incarceration.

I think they will try for a charge with sentence of several years (20 - 40), but will eventually to concede to LWOP when they :truce:.

Yesterday was the final straw for the defense....their last ditch hopes and dreams.

ICA begrudgingly accepted that the evidence was too damning in the fraud case (and took a plea) and I think it will happen here too, especially if CA has any influence with her in protecting family secrets.

HHJP denying these last motions also gives Mason, Finnell and Baez some "ammunition" in dialogue with ICA that the gig is up...she can no longer say, "...but when HHJP grants our motion, THEY can't use that evidence against me!" I just cannot imagine that any of these attorneys have ANY desire to be made fools of during a trial, and walk away with any previous reputations tarnished. I think they are willing to do ANYTHING at this point to avoid a very public trial that will be played out nightly across the country in national media updates.

And I still say the Anthony recent motion is an attempt by CA to make sure she is in the courtroom to "support ICA" when Baez states...

"Judge, may we approach? My client would like to change her plea....."

Terrific post Kentjbkent!!! And I agree - it is what a SMART Defense Lawyer would do! Oh!....Er...Houston? We have a problem....:candle:

 

[USARDOG]

I think the Defense Strategy has been plea all along. Thinking back to the beginning, even when Terry Lenamon was involved, this "accident theory" was being pitched by the defense in media appearances, court documents, etc. (but not being directed to public, but to prosecution as explained below)

Your post edited for brevity.

I was on a jury once. We went through jury selection and were ready to go to trial, then the defense ran up the white flag and took the plea. I have also thought that this will all end in a plea deal, but just like when LE took ICA to Universal, she will walk all the way down the hall and up to the door before she says, "OK, I don't really work here."

 

[LinasK]

Post of the day! I feel certain that this is exactly right. It would be disappointing that there is no trial..but Baez knows his "unpopularity" rating is sure to increase exponentially as the taxpayers (and his attorney "peers") get more and more incensed that there is no (and has been no) defense. KC wants to plead guilty and get time served...Baez will have to lie to her and tell her that they will plead guilty, but appeal later and that she'll have to "trust him". KC is screwed for sure (and hooray for that!)

Sorry, I don't see it happening. Why does Baez care if he gets the notoriety??? Many high-profile defense lawyers are unpopular- Mark Geragos, F. Lee Bailey, Alan Dershowitz, just to name a few. It is their job to defend scum. And I really don't think Casey wants to plead. She is a sociopath, much like Scott Peterson and believes she can snow a jury and walk away from all of this. I also think Judge Perry is more than ready to take this to trial with all his preparation time invested, and willing to sentence her to death.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Go cap in hand and beg for a plea? Not JB- this is his ticket to celebrity TV shows, and hangin with Rivera, he's not going to give that up for ICA and NO pay.. Two minutes after she's sentenced he'll be emailing Beth Karas to ask her how he looked.....

 

[Mendara]

She won't plea. Her ego is huge and she will never admit to killing Caylee. She likes being in the courtroom, I think she is looking forward to the trial and coverage. I also think she doesn't really understand how much trouble she is in, that this is not all just going to go away. That killing your child is the worse thing a human being could do. I just don't see fear in her eyes at all.

MO

 

[LinasK]

Your post edited for brevity.

I was on a jury once. We went through jury selection and were ready to go to trial, then the defense ran up the white flag and took the plea. I have also thought that this will all end in a plea deal, but just like when LE took ICA to Universal, she will walk all the way down the hall and up to the door before she says, "OK, I don't really work here."

Yeah, but Casey was forced to admit there was no office, she was trapped, she ran out of hallway. Noone is forcing her to take a plea, so why should she? She believes she can beat this rap. Scott Peterson didn't cop a plea, even though he got the death sentence. His reaction, when they took him to Death Row? "I'm jazzed. I'm going to a historic landmark"!!!

 

[Solace]

Yeah, but Casey was forced to admit there was no office, she was trapped, she ran out of hallway. Noone is forcing her to take a plea, so why should she? She believes she can beat this rap. Scott Peterson didn't cop a plea, even though he got the death sentence. His reaction, when they took him to Death Row? "I'm jazzed. I'm going to a historic landmark"!!!

Agreed - and the only reason she admitted the fraud was because she was caught on tape.

And the only reason she changed her story to Blanchard Park was because Yuri told her at Universal that they checked the tapes at Sawgrass and she was not there.

KC feels you didn't see me do it, you don't know I did it. She is the proverbial Sociopath with Tunnel Vision.

 

[Gma Kat]

For the sake of the FL taxpayers I would LOVE to see ICA offered LWOP and take it.

For my own personal satisfaction I want to watch this trial in its entirety - because I really need to see it all put together before a jury for closure. I NEED that verdict that tells ICA and the A's that 12 peers reviewed the evidence and found her GUILTY. I need this.

 

[logicalgirl]

This has probably already been discussed (I can't keep up!), but I keep wondering if that in camera meeting in the jury room at the last hearing was about a potential plea. I can't figure out why Casey needed to be in there ... the mental health experts had already been withdrawn ...

Hmm - I thought maybe the CJBP was clarifying and having ICA agree to just what aspects of mental health the Defense Team was going to argue. So I expected them to outline it and have ICA agree. It seems ICA did not like the good Judge's response.

 

[JenniferTx]

I'm sure her defense team is not going to want her to accept any plea bargin because if she did then there would be no trial and no instant fame for the defense team. :takeabow:

Her entire defense team has to be nuts to think they could ever convince a jury that she didn't kill Caylee. There is just too much evidence that points to their client as the murderer. There is more evidence pointing directly to her than there was in the OJ trial. She just needs to be prepared for the death penalty because that is what she will get. :crossfingers:

 

[Tulessa]

I think the Defense Strategy has been plea all along. Thinking back to the beginning, even when Terry Lenamon was involved, this "accident theory" was being pitched by the defense in media appearances, court documents, etc. (but not being directed to public, but to prosecution as explained below)

I believe there has been continuous discussion between defense and prosecution (initiated by defense on ALL occasions) for quite a while.....but while prosecution may have been willing to discuss a lesser with LWOP, the defense has been pushing for involuntary manslaughter (or similar) with the "defense" being an accident and subsequent cover-up due to various versions of abuse by Anthony's, as alleged by ICA.

I imagine a conversation similar to the this...

BAEZ: We are willing to discuss a plea based on an unfortunate accident.

PROS: No way. We have duct tape.

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: We have 31 days....

BAEZ: Not if HHJP grants our motion and it is excluded....

PROS: No way. We have.....(continue above scenario for remainder of evidence)....

BAEZ: We have mental health experts who will testify to ICA's emotional abuse allegations...

PROS: No way, no how. We have premeditation...

I think plea negotiations have never progressed due to Baez' inexperience. They are too far apart to even negotiate due to the evidence the SA has.

While many have speculated that the defense "pitching" the accident theory in the media recently (think 48 Hours show) is being directed to the public and potential jury members, I think it is being directed at the PROSECUTION TEAM by the defense, as a last ditch effort before HHJP rules on these last motions to exclude.

BAEZ: Look, Jeff, our pro bono jury consultant had no problem pulling together a mock jury that agreed with the accident theory. Did you happen to catch 48 Hours recently? If WE could so easily get a "jury" to agree, we can do it again in the courtroom.

PROS: No comment by JA as he picks himself up off the floor after collapsing in a fit of laughter.

We are just days from jury selection, weeks from Trial Day One. I think all efforts by Team Baez have been directed to try to badger SA into a plea of THEIR choosing, but they have also been aware that they were gambling, and if this didn't work, they would have to negotiate a change of plea that will involve a long incarceration.

I think they will try for a charge with sentence of several years (20 - 40), but will eventually to concede to LWOP when they :truce:.

Yesterday was the final straw for the defense....their last ditch hopes and dreams.

ICA begrudgingly accepted that the evidence was too damning in the fraud case (and took a plea) and I think it will happen here too, especially if CA has any influence with her in protecting family secrets.

HHJP denying these last motions also gives Mason, Finnell and Baez some "ammunition" in dialogue with ICA that the gig is up...she can no longer say, "...but when HHJP grants our motion, THEY can't use that evidence against me!" I just cannot imagine that any of these attorneys have ANY desire to be made fools of during a trial, and walk away with any previous reputations tarnished. I think they are willing to do ANYTHING at this point to avoid a very public trial that will be played out nightly across the country in national media updates.

And I still say the Anthony recent motion is an attempt by CA to make sure she is in the courtroom to "support ICA" when Baez states...

"Judge, may we approach? My client would like to change her plea....."

Thank you was just NOT enough. :blowkiss:

 

[LolaMoon08]

I could see the defense trying to work out a plea deal with the SA... I just don't know if ICA knows about it?? ICA was promised a mistrial and I think that is what she fully expects. Funny how someone who claims to be innocent would be happy with anything but a not guilty verdict? :waitasec: She's so weird.

I don't know??? I guess we'll find out soon enough!

 

[Jo in Calif]

I would be totally shocked if Casey would go for a plea deal.
She has worked way to hard on this case, put in way to many hours.

 

[USARDOG]

Yeah, but Casey was forced to admit there was no office, she was trapped, she ran out of hallway. Noone is forcing her to take a plea, so why should she? She believes she can beat this rap. Scott Peterson didn't cop a plea, even though he got the death sentence. His reaction, when they took him to Death Row? "I'm jazzed. I'm going to a historic landmark"!!!

I think she is caught much the same way now, and she's rapidly "running out of hallway". All the evidence that JB hoped would not be allowed has been included. The handwriting is on the wall, and JB is not who she thought he was. She may not have a conscience, but she is not totally blind to facts, like others in her family, IMO. We will know soon enough, but I'm thinking she will pull the plug just before the trial starts rather than take the risk of the DP with so many of the cards turning against her. This hand has been played, IMO, and it's time to go for the best deal she can get.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I've wondered about that too. I wonder if he asked her in chambers if she was still happy with her defense team. It could have involved plea talk as well. They were in there for awhile. But whatever happened, she came back out crying. I just can't believe talking about the jury would make her cry. It would have to be something more about Casey, not the jury, which she probably doesn't give two flips about. I wonder if she is finally realizing that a plea may be in her best interest at this point, and she hates it. I'm sure HHJP made her very aware of how real and how close this trial is to starting. No more fun and games is what I am sure he got across to her. Casey when she came out reminded me of that one time she got lectured, I think by HHJS. It was the one time we saw her shed real tears, but only for herself. Who knows. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall for Casey in chambers.

Whoa...when did this take place? How did I miss this? His Honor had her and her team in chambers? Were the SA's there as well? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Ricki]

Whoa...when did this take place? How did I miss this? His Honor had her and her team in chambers? Were the SA's there as well? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I remember that. She came out upset and they left the court rather quickly without speaking.

 

[cloud9]

I've wondered about that too. I wonder if he asked her in chambers if she was still happy with her defense team. It could have involved plea talk as well. They were in there for awhile. But whatever happened, she came back out crying. I just can't believe talking about the jury would make her cry. It would have to be something more about Casey, not the jury, which she probably doesn't give two flips about. I wonder if she is finally realizing that a plea may be in her best interest at this point, and she hates it. I'm sure HHJP made her very aware of how real and how close this trial is to starting. No more fun and games is what I am sure he got across to her. Casey when she came out reminded me of that one time she got lectured, I think by HHJS. It was the one time we saw her shed real tears, but only for herself. Who knows. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall for Casey in chambers.

WOW!!! I missed this! Thank you

As far as a plea... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!:maddening:
She needs to face this! JMO

 

[Just Jayla]

WOW!!! I missed this! Thank you

As far as a plea... NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!:maddening:
She needs to face this! JMO

She wants to face this. For a different reason and with a different tactic everyday (some paraphrasing):

"Maybe my mom was right" Wink, wink...see I'm bad, but I admit it, so I can't be a killer..."Maybe mom should call the police"

Her heroes, the attorneys "My client is innocent" -JB..."The state wants to kill my client because she is a woman who parties while scantily clad" Poor poor pitiful me

"I will...lie...whatever it takes to find Caylee" The jury will see me as a heroine

"Howard Stern will want to know my bra size" Publicity would be absent without this addictive drama

"I think I need to [be comitted]"

And the one that pervades her mind on the daily:

"They won't break me"

 

[Tulessa]

Whoa...when did this take place? How did I miss this? His Honor had her and her team in chambers? Were the SA's there as well? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Yes the SA's were in there too. I didn't see her crying though, but to be honest, I didn't really pay attention. I was watching the Attorney's reactions.