Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #10

[Sundog]

I used the term "Palestine" as a region with:
Israelis, Gazans ad West Bankers who live there.

My compassion included ALL people living in this region.

But I was berated
Why????

Your post sounded like you were suggesting that Israel was living on Palestine land, which is what the pro-Palestinian protesters are claiming, and many with the chants of "from the river to the sea" which is a call to destroy Israel.

If you had said the region has been historically called both Palestine and Israel, then I think that would have been more accurate and factual. The claim that the region is Palestine and then saying that is a fact rather than a descriptor by some historical narratives wasn't accurate. My post was intended to correct the inaccuracy, not berate you.

JMO

 

[fred&edna]

BBM. That is a grossly unfair generalization. Not one of the Muslim families that I personally know are murderous extremists.

JMO

Just to clarify. I quoted the Hamas leaders... not Muslim families. It's grossly unfair to add words and/or insert implications in my words that do not exist.

 

[PommyMommy]

9:23 pm

Footage from Gaza shows Hamas members beating up residents trying to get food​

The Kan public broadcaster airs footage it says was sent by a Gaza resident, showing Hamas officials beating up civilians and preventing them from accessing a truckload of food sent as aid to the civilian population.

The report says that after this was filmed, the Hamas operatives took away the food for the terror group’s own purposes.

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#BREAKINGExclusive documentation: Hamas terrorists brutally beat Gaza civilians and prevent them from taking food from a humanitarian aid truck @eliorlevy| #KanIsraelstory

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723779530924470311

 

[mickey2942]

This war could end, if Hamas would turn over their Israeli hostages. Why doesn't anyone acknowledge this? Why isn't there more pressure on Hamas to release their non-combatant hostages that they kidnapped when they started this war?!

 

[Sundog]

9:23 pm

Footage from Gaza shows Hamas members beating up residents trying to get food​

The Kan public broadcaster airs footage it says was sent by a Gaza resident, showing Hamas officials beating up civilians and preventing them from accessing a truckload of food sent as aid to the civilian population.

The report says that after this was filmed, the Hamas operatives took away the food for the terror group’s own purposes.

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#BREAKINGExclusive documentation: Hamas terrorists brutally beat Gaza civilians and prevent them from taking food from a humanitarian aid truck @eliorlevy| #KanIsraelstory

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723779530924470311

And this is their elected government beating them and stealing their food.

 

[PapillonVert]

<RSBM>

What about peace for all people (babies, children, elderly, etc.) living in Israel? They have a right to peace as well. And safety from terrorists living on their border.

There are also a lot of citizens in Gaza who want to be free of Hamas. Those people deserve peace and a chance at a prosperous future but it’s not going to happen as long as Hamas is in power. I support Israel’s efforts here and hope that the ultimate result is to uproot terrorism, build Gaza back better, and create a lasting peace in the region. I wish the rest of the Middle East would get on board with this and create an international coalition, with Israel, against terrorism. It’s in everyone’s best interest.

All IMO

 

[margarita25]

Around 2:00ish in video:

Victim had planned to attend kite flying event scheduled on Oct 7, aimed at signaling to Gaza’s residents that they want peace.

 

[Chimera]

Has this been posted? (Sorry, I'm behind already.)

https://x.com/Ofirlin/status/1723692482519609843?s=20

Thanks for this post.
Oh my goodness.
Looking at the photos, there is plenty of electricity.

Heavy fighting rages near main Gaza hospital and people trapped inside say they cannot flee

Health officials and people trapped inside Gaza’s largest hospital are rejecting Israel's claims that it is helping babies and others evacuate, saying fighting continues just outside the facility where incubators lay idle without electricity and critic...

abcnews.go.com

" .... saying fighting continued just outside the facility where incubators lay idle with no electricity and critical supplies were running out."
Without actually being there in person, there's no way to verify that there's no electricity.
Sounds like someone is lying.
Hamas ?
Hospital workers who answer to Hamas ?

The UNRWA who initially said Hamas had seized supplies and later walked it back ?

UN Agency Claims Fuel and Medical Supplies Were Stolen in Gaza

Mustafa Hassona/Anadolu Agency via GettyThe United Nations’ agency for Palestinian refugees on Monday said fuel and medical supplies were stolen from the organization’s compound in Gaza. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) said in a...

news.yahoo.com

UN says Hamas stole aid intended for Gazans (Published 2009)

www.nytimes.com

Gazans at 'breaking point' as aid centres looted, UN agency says

Thousands of Gaza residents broke into U.N. warehouses on Sunday, grabbing flour and other essential items in a sign they had reached "breaking point", the United Nations Palestinian refugee agency (UNRWA) said.

www.reuters.com

At least 59 UNRWA staff in Gaza killed
So if Hamas is murdering the UNRWA workers, why doesn't the UNRWA admit this is why they later said the theft didn't happen ?
They're under Hamas' thumb as well ?
Omo.

 

[PommyMommy]

And this is their elected government beating them and stealing their food.

We watched and waited for the humanitarian aid to finally reach the people of Gaza and celebrated when the trucks were finally let through. Only to feed Hamas, apparently.

We've worried about the babies and innocent civilians in the hospitals but understood that Hamas would steal any fuel that was brought in. And they did.

It just sickens me. MOO

 

[MyBelle]

We didn't tell Ukraine to step down. Why Israel?

Of course, the U.S. didn't tell Ukraine to step down. The Ukraine was invaded by Russia and Ukranian civilians were obliterated as a direct result. The U.S. hasn't told Israel to "step down" and has made the U.S. position very clear.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Your post sounded like you were suggesting that Israel was living on Palestine land, which is what the pro-Palestinian protesters are claiming, and many with the chants of "from the river to the sea" which is a call to destroy Israel.

If you had said the region has been historically called both Palestine and Israel, then I think that would have been more accurate and factual. The claim that the region is Palestine and then saying that is a fact rather than a descriptor by some historical narratives wasn't accurate. My post was intended to correct the inaccuracy, not berate you.

JMO

The history of the name Palestine:
(......)
"After Roman times the name had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire,

when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain;

in addition to an area roughly comprising present-day Israel and the West Bank,
the mandate included the territory east of the Jordan River now constituting the Hashimite Kingdom of Jordan, which Britain placed under an administration separate from that of Palestine immediately after receiving the mandate for the territory.

The name Palestine has long been in popular use as a general term to denote a traditional region, but this usage does not imply precise boundaries."

Palestine | History, People, Conflict, & Religion

Palestine is the area of the eastern Mediterranean region, comprising parts of modern Israel along with the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The strategic importance of the area is immense: through it pass the main roads from Egypt to Syria and from the Mediterranean to the hills beyond the Jordan...

www.britannica.com

 

[PommyMommy]

HAMAS WAR ON ISRAEL (Urgent Briefing)​

Join us for a briefing with IDF’s International Spokesperson, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus (res.), and Professor Gil Troy. In conversation with Michael Dickson.

 

[PommyMommy]

2 min ago

Israel is looking ahead to long-term plan for Gaza, Israeli ambassador to US says​

Israel is looking ahead to a long-term plan for Gaza and is discussing the issue with the United States, according to Amb. Michael Herzog.

“It is our position that Palestinians will have to govern themselves. What will be the exact role of the Palestinian Authority (PA) remains to be seen, because everybody understands that the PA, in its current composition — they can hardly govern Ramallah. So certainly not Gaza,” the Israeli ambassador to the US said in an interview on Fox News Sunday.

The Palestinian Authority would have to undergo reform, Herzog said.

The ambassador said Israel is not interested in occupying or governing Gaza, adding that security is the main priority.

“We are not in Gaza in order to occupy Gaza or to govern Gaza. We are there to move the Hamas military threat against Israel and their ability to rebuild the capabilities and strike again and again, as they're saying they would like to do. That's our intent,” Herzog said.

Herzog claimed Israel is “very targeted” in its operation in Gaza.

“People have to understand Gaza is the biggest terror complex around the globe with over 500 kilometers (about 310 miles) of terror tunnels. … We are not targeting the population,” Herzog said.

Live updates: Israel-Hamas war, Gaza evacuations, Netanyahu interview (cnn.com)

 

[Chimera]

This war could end, if Hamas would turn over their Israeli hostages. Why doesn't anyone acknowledge this ? Why isn't there more pressure on Hamas to release their non-combatant hostages that they kidnapped when they started this war?!

BBM.
Exactly. ^^^

Instead it's, "Israel must show restraint".
Or, "Israel needs to ceasefire".

No, Israel does not.
They must not.
Or they will no longer be a nation.

Heavy fighting rages near main Gaza hospital and people trapped inside say they cannot flee

Health officials and people trapped inside Gaza’s largest hospital are rejecting Israel's claims that it is helping babies and others evacuate, saying fighting continues just outside the facility where incubators lay idle without electricity and critic...

abcnews.go.com

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has dismissed urgent international calls for a cease-fire unless it includes the release of all the nearly 240 hostages captured by Hamas in the Oct. 7 rampage that triggered the war.
Red bolding mine.


It's ridiculous to expect Israel to have a ceasefire ( aka putting down arms, going away and letting Hamas have free reign), when their own Israeli people are being held in cruel conditions.
Possibly the reason they can't release them is that some or many -- may be dead.
Omo.

 

[Springb16]

Has this been posted? (Sorry, I'm behind already.)

https://x.com/Ofirlin/status/1723692482519609843?s=20

But I thought they didn't have electricity

 

[PommyMommy]

IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari confirmed this evening that Israeli forces have captured Gaza's port.

"Forces from the 36th Division, in cooperation with Navy forces, raided the Gaza port. They are currently in the port and in the areas to its east," he says.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723794836086522011

 

[fred&edna]

But I thought they didn't have electricity

Once the cloak of a lie is removed... the ugly naked truth is clear for all to see.

ETA: The sad part is that some people just refuse to look.

 

[margarita25]

2 days ago:

3 weeks ago:

* 6:43 song Aner wrote was played at his funeral, sounds like a lovely song

 

[otto]

Around 2:00ish in video:

Victim had planned to attend kite flying event scheduled on Oct 7, aimed at signaling to Gaza’s residents that they want peace.

Thank you for posting these personal stories. Telling the story is clearly one step in the process of mental health and recovery from trauma for children and adults. The Israeli people seem to have a healthy approach to processing trauma and finding new meaning in life.

 

[MyBelle]

But I thought they didn't have electricity

Israel cut power to Gaza when the war started. The hospital electricity would be from a generator, and they have said they are very low on fuel.

JMO

Heavy fighting rages near main Gaza hospital and people trapped inside say they cannot flee

Health officials and people trapped inside Gaza’s largest hospital are rejecting Israel's claims that it is helping babies and others evacuate, saying fighting continues just outside the facility where incubators lay idle without electricity and critic...

abcnews.go.com