They haven‘t found a command center yet.
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #11
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I feel terribly for the families of both hostages found in the vicinity of Shiva Hospital. Perhaps their recovery can provide IDF with good intelligence. I would be interested in what is known about the details of their deaths, particularly the forensics examiners‘ estimation of approx how long they have been deceased, and the cause of death if it can be determined.
Had Hamas been forced to leave them behind as IDF advanced on the hospital area? Have they been holding dead bodies, (perhaps in hospital morgues), to shield the number of live bodies which they use to barter? Had they left them as a message to Israel to “back off”?
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A man walks near a vehicle destroyed by a strike in Khan Younis in the south
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They will. I believe they have found much more than shared. I think they are sharing just enough, to keep the public informed.
We will see a much more detailed video, soon, real soon.I think they are waiting till the bodies recovered from the hospital are identified. I suspect hostages maybe in this group.
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The Israeli military is tightening its grip on northern Gaza, as its war on the Hamas militant group is showing no signs of abating.
Almost six weeks into the conflict, however, Israel is yet to offer a clear post-war plan for the territory.
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant last week said the Israel Defense Forces has effectively cut the strip in two, and on Tuesday claimed Hamas had lost control in northern Gaza, including in Gaza City.
But what is Israel’s plan for Gaza if and when it achieves its aim of eliminating Hamas? Some experts say Israel may not have a clear idea.
“They (Israel) would argue they have time to figure that out after the military operation,” Lowenstein said.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has offered little information about his post-military operation plan for Gaza. The 74-year-old leader, who has been at the forefront of several Israel-Gaza conflicts, told CNN his military operation has two goals: to destroy Hamas and retrieve the more than 200 hostages kidnapped on October 7 by the group, which also killed some 1,200 people in Israel during its unprecedented assault.
Beyond those vague hints, Netanyahu has not provided a defined strategy for the territory, where more than two-thirds of its 2 million inhabitants are now internally displaced, and where more than 40% of all housing units have been either destroyed or damaged, according to United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, citing the Ministry of Housing in Gaza.
In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash, Netanyahu said that Gaza could ultimately be governed by some form of Palestinian civilian government, albeit one that fully cooperated with Israel’s security objectives, which he described as “over-riding, over-reaching military envelope.” He did not provide details of what exactly that meant.
Read more about Israel's military tightening of its grip on northern Gaza, as its war on Hamas is showing no signs of abating.
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Weeks into the war between Israel and Hamas, there's no clear post-war plan for Gaza
From CNN's Nadeen EbrahimThe Israeli military is tightening its grip on northern Gaza, as its war on the Hamas militant group is showing no signs of abating.
Almost six weeks into the conflict, however, Israel is yet to offer a clear post-war plan for the territory.
Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant last week said the Israel Defense Forces has effectively cut the strip in two, and on Tuesday claimed Hamas had lost control in northern Gaza, including in Gaza City.
But what is Israel’s plan for Gaza if and when it achieves its aim of eliminating Hamas? Some experts say Israel may not have a clear idea.
“They (Israel) would argue they have time to figure that out after the military operation,” Lowenstein said.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has offered little information about his post-military operation plan for Gaza. The 74-year-old leader, who has been at the forefront of several Israel-Gaza conflicts, told CNN his military operation has two goals: to destroy Hamas and retrieve the more than 200 hostages kidnapped on October 7 by the group, which also killed some 1,200 people in Israel during its unprecedented assault.
Beyond those vague hints, Netanyahu has not provided a defined strategy for the territory, where more than two-thirds of its 2 million inhabitants are now internally displaced, and where more than 40% of all housing units have been either destroyed or damaged, according to United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, citing the Ministry of Housing in Gaza.
In an interview with CNN’s Dana Bash, Netanyahu said that Gaza could ultimately be governed by some form of Palestinian civilian government, albeit one that fully cooperated with Israel’s security objectives, which he described as “over-riding, over-reaching military envelope.” He did not provide details of what exactly that meant.
Read more about Israel's military tightening of its grip on northern Gaza, as its war on Hamas is showing no signs of abating.
November 17, 2023 Israel-Hamas war
Israeli troops will advance to anywhere Hamas is found, including the southern part of the Gaza Strip, a military spokesperson said, amid growing indications that an offensive into the southern part could be imminent.
IDF says gunmen killed in occupied West Bank
Israel’s military says it has killed two “terrorists” who had opened fire on them from a car near Hebron, in the occupied West Bank.IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said forces confiscated a weapon from the gunmen, and that there were no casualties to their forces.
Israeli-Palestinian tensions in the West Bank, which were already high, have been fuelled further by the war in Gaza.
Take a look at the map below for a reminder of the region's geography:
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I agree with all this. That is what passes for activism these days. It’s a bizarre mob mentality among people who mean well but end up doing harm in the name of their causes.
I can’t find the post with the quote from the Guardian article now (which I think was posted by @JennieM), but I believe this is the same doctor that said several days ago that if it was up to him, he would refuse Israeli aid for his patients if offered. I find him hard to believe, personally. The IDF has posted videos and photos of some of the items that they have found including a tunnel shaft close to the hospital. Plus they have apprehended suspected terrorists trying to flee Al Shifa (IMO until I find a link but I read it yesterday). It is incorrect for him to say the IDF found nothing.6m ago
A doctor at the Gaza Strip’s Al Shifa hospital said on Friday Israeli forces had “found nothing” during searches of the hospital complex, and that food and water were running out.
Doctor Ahmed El Mokhallalati told Reuters by telephone that despite the “difficult” conditions at the hospital, no babies had died there since Israeli troops entered it on Wednesday.
Israel says Hamas has a command centre underneath the hospital, an assertion the Palestinian militant group denies. Reuters has been unable to verify the situation at the hospital independently.
“It’s a totally terrifying situation, here the Israeli tanks and the Israeli troops have been moving within the hospital area, all over the hospital,” said Mokhallalati, a surgeon born in Ireland who trained in Cairo and practiced in London.
“The situation is totally difficult. They are shooting all the time, all the areas.”
The Israeli military said on Thursday it had uncovered a Hamas tunnel shaft and a vehicle with weapons at the Al Shifa hospital complex. It also made public videos and photographs to support its statement.
Speaking in English, Mokhallalati said: “They have found nothing. They have found no single resistance. No single gunshot, against them within the hospital area.”
The hospital, packed with patients and displaced people and struggling to keep operating, has become a focus of global concern.
Israeli forces ‘determined to advance’, says military – as it happened
Daniel Hagari’s comments come amid mounting concerns about Israeli plans to expand military operations where people have sought refuge from fightingwww.theguardian.com
In pictures: Aftermath of strike in Rafah
These pictures have reached us from Getty - showing the aftermath of a strike on buildings around Rafah, in the south of the Gaza Strip.Wafa, the official Palestinian news agency, has today reported that a number of people were killed and others injured.
For weeks, the Israeli military has warned civilians to move to southern areas of the Gaza Strip for their safety - though that region has still come under bombardment.
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In Norah O’Donnell’s interview posted yesterday by margarita25, Netanyahu did say they found command center equipment.
I think HAMAS is playing games here. So what did they round up all the Thai hostages and keep them together? If all the hostages aren't being kept together, then how do they get ahold of each location if there is no cell signal, internet, or power, etc. Who is negotiating for these hostages? IS that person even in GAZA?
If HAMAS had any interest or intent to release hostages, they would already be releasing some.
I wish it were different.. I wish HAMAS was a group that could be negotiated with. What have we seen so far? Absolutely nothing.. lots of if you do X, we will do Y. Women and children would be released, then 70 hostages, then 50, now 25 Thai hostages.
I want to know how the elderly hostage was found. What killed her and when. If she was so ill she was nearly dead, then they could have released her long ago and they chose not to. They do not care about anything except their own agenda and creating more chaos and terror.. AND it's working.
Maybe he meant what the IDF referred to as a shaft?
There are no reports yet that a command center has been found.
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I am worried about the state of the hostages. There are what, around 240 hostages being held? Israel removed 200 bodies from the morgue at Al Shifa. Now we hear these reports that Hamas wants to negotiate for the release of somewhere between 25 to 50 hostages. Is that because that’s all the hostages that remain alive? I hope not. IMO.
Edited to fix my really unfortunate typo where autocorrect changed Hamas to James.
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It’s very worrying, I thought that too.
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Israel’s national security adviser says the country’s War Cabinet has agreed to allow two tanker trucks of fuel to enter the Gaza Strip each day — a quantity he described as “very minimal.”
Speaking at a news conference Friday, Tzachi Hanegbi said the fuel would be allowed for Gaza’s communications system and water and sewage services.
He said the aim is to prevent the spread of disease without disrupting Israel’s ability to continue its war against the Hamas militant group.
Hanegbi said the fuel amounted to roughly 2% to 4% of the normal quantities of fuel that entered Gaza before the war erupted on 7 October.
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Israel’s national security adviser says the country’s War Cabinet has agreed to allow two tanker trucks of fuel to enter the Gaza Strip each day — a quantity he described as “very minimal.”
Speaking at a news conference Friday, Tzachi Hanegbi said the fuel would be allowed for Gaza’s communications system and water and sewage services.
He said the aim is to prevent the spread of disease without disrupting Israel’s ability to continue its war against the Hamas militant group.
Hanegbi said the fuel amounted to roughly 2% to 4% of the normal quantities of fuel that entered Gaza before the war erupted on 7 October.
Israeli forces ‘determined to advance’, says military – as it happened
Daniel Hagari’s comments come amid mounting concerns about Israeli plans to expand military operations where people have sought refuge from fighting
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At around two minutes and 35 seconds in the interview with Norah O’Donnell, Netanyahu says this-
“ And on level -2 we found a command and control center, coded equipment”
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Does he mean this? From what I’ve been reading they have not uncovered anything else inside the hospital other the initial find of these guns and magazines. From news agencies nothing has been confirmed yet in regards to a command center, but maybe I missed it.
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Quoting and bolding my post to say it's NOT a 'betrayal'.Emphasis mine.
From the link :"...held by Palestinians...."
"A pet Israeli in tow..."
Ordinary people.
Acting like savages.
Sometimes my patience with certain types, is about nil.
I want to hope that other Palestinians will betray their countrymen and let the IDF know where the hostages are being held.
Omo.
It's acting like honorable, decent human beings.
@PapillonVert this has just been posted.
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It is now days since Israeli forces entered Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and what appears to be happening on Friday is that they are continuing their search for evidence of this being a key Hamas command centre.
We have to remember that there is no independent scrutiny inside the hospital; journalists cannot move freely into Gaza, and any who are reporting from the site are working under the aegis of the Israeli military.
If there was a nerve centre there - and there has been speculation about that possibility since 2014 - then the Israelis have not yet revealed definitive evidence of its existence to the outside world.
It is also possible that the Israelis have found something, and for their own reasons - military or security perhaps - have decided not to reveal it yet.
Why that would be the case is unclear - Israel has a lot riding on Al-Shifa.
Read more here.
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Ceasefire demands will grow without proof of Hamas HQ at Al-Shifa
Jeremy Bowen
International editor
Israel Defense ForcesCopyright: Israel Defense Forces
It is now days since Israeli forces entered Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, and what appears to be happening on Friday is that they are continuing their search for evidence of this being a key Hamas command centre.
We have to remember that there is no independent scrutiny inside the hospital; journalists cannot move freely into Gaza, and any who are reporting from the site are working under the aegis of the Israeli military.
If there was a nerve centre there - and there has been speculation about that possibility since 2014 - then the Israelis have not yet revealed definitive evidence of its existence to the outside world.
It is also possible that the Israelis have found something, and for their own reasons - military or security perhaps - have decided not to reveal it yet.
Why that would be the case is unclear - Israel has a lot riding on Al-Shifa.
Read more here.
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2m ago
As we reported earlier, Israeli security forces have mounted a major raid in the city of Jenin, destroying roads and killing between three and five Hamas militants in the latest instance of surging violence across the occupied West Bank.
Hamas said three of its fighters died in the overnight raid, which began late on Thursday night.
You can watch our video report here: [at link]
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As we reported earlier, Israeli security forces have mounted a major raid in the city of Jenin, destroying roads and killing between three and five Hamas militants in the latest instance of surging violence across the occupied West Bank.
Hamas said three of its fighters died in the overnight raid, which began late on Thursday night.
You can watch our video report here: [at link]
Israeli forces ‘determined to advance’, says military – as it happened
Daniel Hagari’s comments come amid mounting concerns about Israeli plans to expand military operations where people have sought refuge from fighting
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