Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.

Before truce, IDF destroys Hamas tunnel under Shifa hospital, completes new deployment​

By EMANUEL FABIAN Today, 8:09 am

Shortly before the ceasefire commenced, the IDF demolished a Hamas tunnel discovered under Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, as well as completed its deployment on the ceasefire lines.
In a statement, it says the 36th Division and soldiers of the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit destroyed the tunnel under Shifa, as well as other entrances in the area.
The IDF says that over the last day, up until the 7 a.m. truce, it continued to strike Hamas targets across the Gaza Strip, searched for the terror group’s infrastructure, and clashed with operatives.
 
So just to be clear, are you saying that the information in the following article (which is dated October 11 and contains a disclaimer stating that subsequent information made available may contradict information in this story):

…Debunks the information in this article (which is dated October 21 and contains more updated information citing numerous sources of evidence of sexual assault)?

It sounds like you are doubtful that sexual assaults occurred? Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding.

I do not believe anything which emanates from an unknown or a known unreliable source. X being an example of what seems to be an unregulated rumour mill.
My opinion
 
I do not believe anything which emanates from an unknown or a known unreliable source. X being an example of what seems to be an unregulated rumour mill.
My opinion
OK, but we aren’t talking about X. We’re talking about two articles that you linked. You said that one article debunks the other and I’m just trying to understand what you meant by that.
 

Before truce, IDF destroys Hamas tunnel under Shifa hospital, completes new deployment​

By EMANUEL FABIAN Today, 8:09 am

Shortly before the ceasefire commenced, the IDF demolished a Hamas tunnel discovered under Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, as well as completed its deployment on the ceasefire lines.
In a statement, it says the 36th Division and soldiers of the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit destroyed the tunnel under Shifa, as well as other entrances in the area.
The IDF says that over the last day, up until the 7 a.m. truce, it continued to strike Hamas targets across the Gaza Strip, searched for the terror group’s infrastructure, and clashed with operatives.
I hope everyone was evacuated etc.

 

Before truce, IDF destroys Hamas tunnel under Shifa hospital, completes new deployment​

By EMANUEL FABIAN Today, 8:09 am

Shortly before the ceasefire commenced, the IDF demolished a Hamas tunnel discovered under Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, as well as completed its deployment on the ceasefire lines.
In a statement, it says the 36th Division and soldiers of the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit destroyed the tunnel under Shifa, as well as other entrances in the area.
The IDF says that over the last day, up until the 7 a.m. truce, it continued to strike Hamas targets across the Gaza Strip, searched for the terror group’s infrastructure, and clashed with operatives.
So they never found the command centre they literally moved heaven and earth to prove was there. What they have proved is that
  • Hamas did not commit a war crime by using the hospital
  • Israel might very well have
My opinion
 
35min ago

Israel insists truce deal includes Red Cross visits to remaining Gaza hostages

Israel continues to insist the ceasefire deal with Hamas includes a commitment on all sides to enable Red Cross staff to visit the hostages held by terrorists in Gaza who are not slated for immediate release.

According to a senior diplomatic source quoted by Hebrew media, the agreement’s guarantors, Qatar, the United States and Egypt, are all committed to the deal’s implementation in full.

Yesterday, Qatar and the Red Cross refused to say whether the visits are included in the deal brokered between Israel and Hamas.
 
I hope Israel has a blockade on the N-S roads. People are thinking they can go home.




ETA: Update at (1:40 EST)
11m ago
(06:40 GMT)

Israeli army warns Gaza residents against heading north​


Israeli forces will be stationed at the truce lines and move on the Salah al-Din axis and Beach Street in Gaza during the pause, according to the army.
It said it will not allow Palestinians to head to northern Gaza during the truce.

Qatar to monitor four-day truce in real time for possible violations​

Reporting from Doha, Qatar
Qatar has an operations room here in Doha where they are going to get real-time information from Gaza. They have direct links with the Israeli military, with Hamas.
The idea is that if there is any sort of violation, that because of those direct links, they are going to try and nip it in the bud and make sure that this truce can continue, that this process can continue for the four days.
And then, they are hoping, that it can continue beyond the four days.
But, it is worth reminding everyone that as we see scenes of calm for the first time in Gaza for seven weeks, what the Israeli government is saying. And that is, their war is not over. They still want to destroy Hamas.
So for the poor people of Gaza, this is an important respite.
 
Last edited:
Thank you; I had read that and I followed the link to it.

Snip
Israeli officials and civilian first responders have told various news outlets over the last week that they have found clear evidence that the terrorists raped women, beheaded children and otherwise tortured many of the victims.

“We’ve seen dismembered bodies with their arms and feet chopped off, people that were beheaded, a child that was beheaded,” a reserve officer who is part of the military forensic teams autopsying bodies at an army base in Ramla told reporters. Rabbi Israel Weiss, a former chief rabbi in the IDF who is also working in Ramla, said many bodies showed signs of rape, according to Reuters.

Separately, a morgue worker for the military told the Daily Mail: “There is evidence of mass rape of so brutal that they broke their victims’ pelvis – women, grandmothers, children.”
Which was debunked in the article I posted.

The President was given this unverified information ... A White House spokesperson told the Forward that this assertion was based on a phone call earlier that day in which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had told Biden that Israeli women had been “brutally raped and murdered.”

Forward is described as - JEWISH. INDEPENDENT. NONPROFIT.
Which was debunked in the article I posted.

Minor detail to some.

JMO
 
OK, but we aren’t talking about X. We’re talking about two articles that you linked. You said that one article debunks the other and I’m just trying to understand what you meant by that.
In one article it is claimed that babies were beheaded.
The other article proves there is no verification to substantiate that.

There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to propaganda. My understanding was that this poster was one of the tools that encouraged Britain to go to war with Germany.

“Babes on bayonets.”

In 1914, during World War I, the German army passed through neutral Belgium to attack France. Afterward, many U.S. newspapers and magazines featured pro-war cartoons depicting alleged German atrocities in Belgium, particularly the killing of innocent women and children. This cartoon appeared in a 1915 edition of the weekly humor magazine Life. The slaughter in Belgium did not actually occur; but by 1915 tens of thousands of Africans had died in the Belgian Congo, victims of Belgium’s ruthless exploitation of its colony’s resources.

Perhaps nothing quite matches "Protocols of the Elders of Zion, fraudulent document that served as a pretext and rationale for anti-Semitism mainly in the early 20th century. The document purported to be a report of a series of 24 (in other versions, 27) meetings held at Basel, Switzerland, in 1897, at the time of the first Zionist congress. There Jews and Freemasons were said to have made plans to disrupt Christian civilization and erect a world state under their joint rule. Liberalism and socialism were to be the means of subverting Christendom; if subversion failed, all the capitals of Europe were to be sabotaged. religious tract by Serge Nilus, a tsarist civil servant. They were translated into German, French, English, and other European languages and soon came to be a classic of anti-Semitic literature. In the United States Henry Ford’s private newspaper, Dearborn Independent, often cited them as evidence of a Jewish threat.
The Protocols were printed in Russia in abbreviated form in 1903 in the newspaper Znamia (“Banner”) and subsequently (1905) as an addendum to a
The spurious character of the Protocols was first revealed in 1921 by Philip Graves of The Times (London), who demonstrated their obvious resemblance to a satire on Napoleon III by the French lawyer Maurice Joly, published in 1864 and entitled Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (“Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu”). Subsequent investigation, particularly by the Russian historian Vladimir Burtsev, revealed that the Protocols were forgeries compounded by officials of the Russian secret police out of the satire of Joly, a fantastic novel (Biarritz) by Hermann Goedsche (1868), and other sources."

Both lies caused a lot of trouble because they reached a wide audience and shows this shows the importance of scrutiny particularly of misinformation from a warzone.
 
Ref:
Snip You know what sucks? These Muslim Extremist Terrorists are not afraid to die because they’re obsessed with martyrdom

I think you are right in a certain number of cases- but by no means all of them.

Some Islamic terror groups such as ISIS grow by absorbing other groups (sometimes after killing the rival leaders). This then leads to a two tiered ISIS of: A. First tier, fully enthusiastic, "made members"- even given nicknames, and B. second tier absorbed fighters who though technically part of ISIS, never really signed up for it and are less than fully enthusiastic regarding martyrdom.

Ben Ladin's Al Queda was also known to absorb smaller groups mafia style. Al Queda then under went several "down sizes" as absorbed fighters deserted.

Other Jihaders whose main motivations were not martyrdom, but to "impress friends and win girls" got enough "creds" to meet their goals slipped away. Still other deserting Jihaders got miffed after wages and paid vacations could not be met as funds dried up.

Al Queda then created a two tier organization fully committed, all the way, "made members" and more auxilliary type fighters.

Hamas could have this same two tiered structure- A core of martyrdom seeking made members. A second tier of members very willing to fight- but who also maybe willing to consider surrender under certain conditions.

Rsbm Video footage of UNRWA summer camps:


:32
Child 1: “We are Palestine’s young generation longing to die as martyrs.”

:35
Child 2: “We make Jihad for Jerusalem & the Homeland. We will die as martyrs.”

—-


—-


U.S. Department of State (.gov)
www.state.gov
Israel, West Bank, and Gaza - United States Department of State


The Palestinian leadership continued to offer prisoner and “martyr” payments to families of Palestinians who were wounded or died while committing terrorist ...

The ref is endless.
 
Last edited:
11/22

“Over the weekend, a new group calling itself “Cyber Toufan” entered the fray, targeting Israeli companies and organizations. It dumped online huge troves of data that it claims to have stolen. According to the Israeli cybersecurity firm Check Point Software Technologies Ltd, the group has the hallmarks of an Iranian state-sponsored hacking operation.

“We believe it shows how Iran and its affiliates are escalating their cyberattacks,” said Gil Messing, the company’s chief of staff. “Attacks are both increasing and creating real damage now.” The group’s style and capabilities are similar to those of other hacker groups linked to Iran, he added.

Iran’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs didn’t respond to requests for comment.

The Cyber Toufan gang’s name appears to be inspired by the Oct. 7 attacks, which Hamas called the Toufan Al-Aqsa, or Al-Aqsa Flood.“

—-

My guess is this is the same or an arm of the Russian-backed Iranian players I mentioned early on, under a new name, jmo.

—-

*eta- sorry for multiple posts in a row, it’s 3 am and nobody posting
 
Last edited:
Please take a few minutes of your day to watch this @ljayes
astonishing interview with senior #Hamas terrorist Basem Naim. If lying and distortion was an Olympic sport, this guy would be covered in gold. Only it's not, and he's neck deep in Israeli blood.

wow
transcribed this pack of lies:

Q:how many Israeli hostages are you holding?

Hamas: We are talking about two categories—we are talking about the soldiers and the civilians…or foreigners, some dual citizenship, regarding this the soldiers and brigade talked about around 200—
Civilians about 50 to 60
…but now no one can exactly give a number because of the heavy bombardment and the presence of these captured people in different areas with different groups its difficult now t give exact numbers or figures about the capture of the hostages


Q: is that because you killed some of them?

Hamas: How, from where u get this info—you cannot raise or ask us this or accuse us….where we are bombarded and we have clearly said at least 60 of the hostages were killed with our families and and and still under the rubble of of our houses because of Israeli bombardment—how can we kill someone we are considering as a as a as a as a guest or as hostages…

Q: do you consider these hostages as guests—is that how they are treated ?..

Hamas: by the way from the first day of the confrontation we have said we are ready to release all the civilians including the foreigners uh but we need a security conditions so that it is safe to to to release them but Israel unfortunately have always rejected this offer and have said we will continue bombarding Gaza and killing women and children until we get our prisoners released by force…

Q: so missiles have still been fired into Israel from Gaza over the last couple of weeks—do you want this war to end?

Hamas: I think Palestinians are under occupation for 75 years and Israeli tanks shelling our people on a daily basis for 75 years-we are under siege, suffocating siege for 17 years—our children are dying because of hunger, malnutrition for decades and therefore we are occupied people -they are the occuping power- if they are not happy with our presence beside them you can leave us and leave us alone—therefore it is an act of defense but shelling , having tanks inside if hospitals sure killing children…


Q: let me ask you about the hospitals because we have seen the pictures, the horrific pictures of babies being killed but Hamas has built tunnels and stored weapons under the biggest hospitals in Gaza, under the rules, international rules, that makes them a target in warfare—Isn’t it Hamas putting these innocents at risk?


Hamas: Honored Lady, I’m I’m very surprised that you are talking about things the Israelis themselves they they were not able to prove it -they have this propaganda…[loud overtalking] …look… look …look …no…no ,,You haven’t seen anything..<<<loudly trying to interrupt her]

Q: I’m really interested in what you have to say about this but we have seen vision-
Provided by Israel of tunnels under Al-Shifa hospital-are you saying that’s not true ?

Hamas: I’m sorry-not true- you are misled or misinformed because I I —you cannot give me any proof because the Israel they were not able to prove any of these allegations they have brought-they have said about the hospital as if it is a headquarters or as a centre of command and control and they have found nothing—some bottles of water, some CDs

Q: they found weapons …

Hamas: No, no weapons, no weapons—do you believe that the command centre of Hamas will will will will be directed by a kolishmikov in the MRI centre , in mri centre you cannot have a ring in your hand to be inside the inside the room, again
The Israelis have failed to prove all these allegations-the same thing when they have said beheading the beheading of babies it was proven false—the raping of women it was proven false , like the burning of civilians and then the Israeli uh newspaper has proven it was isijits [?] who have killed and banned all these citizens—I think you have to read again what the Israeli media talking about their actions and attacks against their own people in the Southern part of Palestine


Q: well these Western journalists who have gone into Gaza with uh the IDF and they have seen these tunnels, these weapons. The storage on munitions with their own eyes, so I don’t know what other proof we can get but look, Hamas is accused Of using Palestinian people as human shields so can I ask you why do you use money to build tunnels , store munitions instead of ...


Hamas:[interrupts] you believe when I when I living no I am I am Hamas I am Hamas leader-when I live with my family in my house in my land is it using my family as a human shield-because they are considering me as a legitimate target is this a human shield having my children, my brothers my sister my extended family in my house in my land is this a human shield who is using a human shield who is building settlements and using his own people in settlements, inside Tel Aviv as a human shield, all these military compounds in the settlements, in the kibbutz, Around Gaza Strip…


Q: If I may, let me ask you this then…when Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th you killed 1,400 people—Innocent people including babies-whole families—how did you expect Israel to react?


Hamas—Sorry again because unfortunately you are misinformed -they have said at the beginning it was 1,400 civilian killed then the Israeli’s themselves said no it was not 1400 it was1200 because 200 of them have proven to be Palestineans —do you believe that we will kill our people inside Israel but Hasertz 2 weeks ago have proven that all these people the the 1.200 people including the 200 Palestinians ,I mean our own people were killed by Israeli jets blindly attacking the music festival, this is the hard…


Q: so you[‘re saying Basim, so you’re saying the Israeli jets killed these young people at the music festival-is that what you’re alleging here?


Hamas: Yes, this is not what I said this this is what Israeli media…


Q: there was no bombings at the music festival…


Hamas: this is the Israeli media Is media saying …

Q: I’m sorry B that is just, that is completely untrue

Hamas: why?

Q: so you think Israelis killed innocent Israeli’s at a music festival why?

Hamas: because they ...simple…Israeli , I mean IDF believing in so-called Hannibal Doctrine —Hannibal Doctrine means if any Israeli is arrested or captured Israelis giving the IDF give themselves the right to attack the captured one and the capturer in the same scene and this has been done many times…for example in 2014 one Israeli soldiers captured and they have killed him with 300 other Palestinians

Q: yah OK…


Hamas: I refer you to Israeli media who are talking about all the civilians who has been killed by the Israelis

Q: we’re getting deep into conspiracy theory territory, Basim, thank you for your time Live, we’ll leave it there





That was the Hamas Spokesperson, you heard his claims at the end of his live interview for yourselves—we are really getting into the realms of ridiculous
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
136
Guests online
1,767
Total visitors
1,903

Forum statistics

Threads
600,528
Messages
18,110,024
Members
230,991
Latest member
Clue Keeper
Back
Top