Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #13

[Vern]

One thing I’ve not understood is why Egypt has a blockade against allowing Palestinians in to their country? Or why no other Arab country will accept them. I get Palestinians not wanting to leave their home but everything I’ve read says no one else will take them en masse so that the civilians can leave even if temporarily.

Because the Palestinians have a history, that did not start with Hamas, of supporting terrorism in and undermining of governments in those neighbouring Arab states (Jordan, Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood etc) when they have allowed them in - ergo why they also have not been granted citizenship (even dual citizenship) in those nations.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3992661

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2538077

Hamas: The Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood

Palestinian Islamic politics have been dominated in the past three decades by the Muslim Brotherhood, later known as the Hamas. With its seizure of the Gaza Strip, Hamas came to be a virtual government, competing for leadership of all Palestinians on a near-equal...

link.springer.com

Politicization of Islamic Activism in Israel (Chapter 4) - Palestinians in Israel

Palestinians in Israel - November 2018

www.cambridge.org

 

[JennieM]

They’ve had some hilarious propaganda mistakes recently, but this one is way up there.

Palestinians claim Mohammed Nazal had his arms broken by Israel while he was in jail...only thing is we have the video of him being released to the Red Cross and his arms are perfectly fine.

Someone at the Palestinian propaganda office is gonna lose their job....
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Soon after his release, he was moved to the emergency room of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the city of Jenin.

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago. The hand fractures were deliberately neglected by the Israeli Prison Service, which led to complications to the child’s right hand.

According to the Palestinian doctors who examined him following his release, Mohammed now needs a platinum implant to facilitate the fracture healing.

[…]

“I was arrested three months ago and I was held under administrative detention,” Mohammed told Al-Jazeera.

The administrative detention allows Israel to incarcerate Palestinians based on ‘secret evidence’ that is not revealed, even to the defense attorney. The detention can be extended for a period of six months, with no charge nor trial.

[…]

One week ago, we were savagely beaten with metal bars. I put my hands on my head to protect it from injury, but the soldiers did not stop until they broke my hands,” Mohammed added.

The child detainee was left without treatment for a full week until he was released on Tuesday morning, following the truce agreement.

[…]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729510970681131350

'Israeli Prisons Became a Graveyard for Us': Freed Palestinian Child Prisoner Speaks Out

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago.

www.palestinechronicle.com

 

[margarita25]

 

[MassGuy]

[…]

Soon after his release, he was moved to the emergency room of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the city of Jenin.

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago. The hand fractures were deliberately neglected by the Israeli Prison Service, which led to complications to the child’s right hand.

According to the Palestinian doctors who examined him following his release, Mohammed now needs a platinum implant to facilitate the fracture healing.

[…]

“I was arrested three months ago and I was held under administrative detention,” Mohammed told Al-Jazeera.

The administrative detention allows Israel to incarcerate Palestinians based on ‘secret evidence’ that is not revealed, even to the defense attorney. The detention can be extended for a period of six months, with no charge nor trial.

[…]

One week ago, we were savagely beaten with metal bars. I put my hands on my head to protect it from injury, but the soldiers did not stop until they broke my hands,” Mohammed added.

The child detainee was left without treatment for a full week until he was released on Tuesday morning, following the truce agreement.

[…]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729510970681131350

'Israeli Prisons Became a Graveyard for Us': Freed Palestinian Child Prisoner Speaks Out

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago.

www.palestinechronicle.com

The propaganda on their Twitter page is remarkable. They are not a legitimate source of anything.

Hamas are apparently “Palestinian resistance fighters.” Enough said.

 

[JennieM]

3m ago

Israeli military raid West Bank city of Jenin - reports​

There are reports that parts of the city of Jenin, in the West Bank, have been closed off with checkpoints set up at routes into the city.

Al Jazeera says that armed clashes between Israeli troops and Palestinian fighters have taken place, with at least eight people injured. They report that hundreds of Israeli troops have taken part in the raid, supported by more than 50 armoured vehicles.

The Palestinian Red Crescent has said that one of its medical teams was detained by Israeli troops outside a Jenin hospital, preventing them from transferring a patient with a gunshot wound in the leg to the hospital. They later said that the patient was arrested.

Christos Christou, the international president of Médecins Sans Frontières, is in Jenin and says that the Israeli army “conducted an incursion on Jenin refugee camp.”

In a video posted to X, he says that he has been trapped in the Khalil Suleiman hospital for more than two hours, while Israeli forces “operated in Jenin camp”.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729632469421261132

Israel says 30 Palestinians released after 12 hostages returned from Gaza – as it happened

Israel says Palestinians have been freed after nine women, a child and two foreign nationals were handed to the Red Cross

www.theguardian.com

 

[margarita25]

8 hours ago (ref)

 

[Wishbone]

In return these surrounding Arab countries left the Palestinians as sitting ducks and along came Hamas who Bibi relied on to prevent a two state solution and the rest is history.

Actually BiBi helped make Hamas

 

[margarita25]

Ref

Ref

 

[Izzylizzy]

Actually BiBi helped make Hamas

Exactly, which is why I said "Bibi relied on them to prevent a 2 state solution.

 

[Vern]

[…]

Soon after his release, he was moved to the emergency room of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the city of Jenin.

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago. The hand fractures were deliberately neglected by the Israeli Prison Service, which led to complications to the child’s right hand.

According to the Palestinian doctors who examined him following his release, Mohammed now needs a platinum implant to facilitate the fracture healing.

[…]

“I was arrested three months ago and I was held under administrative detention,” Mohammed told Al-Jazeera.

The administrative detention allows Israel to incarcerate Palestinians based on ‘secret evidence’ that is not revealed, even to the defense attorney. The detention can be extended for a period of six months, with no charge nor trial.

[…]

One week ago, we were savagely beaten with metal bars. I put my hands on my head to protect it from injury, but the soldiers did not stop until they broke my hands,” Mohammed added.

The child detainee was left without treatment for a full week until he was released on Tuesday morning, following the truce agreement.

[…]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729510970681131350

'Israeli Prisons Became a Graveyard for Us': Freed Palestinian Child Prisoner Speaks Out

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago.

www.palestinechronicle.com

Have you watched the video of him being released to the Red Cross? For having "severely damaged hands and hand fractures" it seems to me he seems capable of sliding them into his pants pockets just before he boards, and of gripping the railing (?) with his hand at the top of the stairs while stepping in with nary a flinch (and that would have to hurt like heck).

 

[JennieM]

The propaganda on their Twitter page is remarkable. They are not a legitimate source of anything.

Hamas are apparently “Palestinian resistance fighters.” Enough said.

I believe this boy was hurt.

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[Izzylizzy]

Israel at war: What happened on day 53?

10 Israeli hostages returned to Israel on Tuesday, bringing the total released to 63.

www.jpost.com

'Ten Israelis and two Thai captives were freed amid media reports that Qatar sought to mediate a ceasefire deal to end the Gaza war in which the remaining 150 hostages would be returned, in exchange for the release of a large number of Palestinian security prisoners.

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich (Religious Zionist Party) rejected such reports outright, explaining that it’s not on the table and “there has been no discussion about it at all.”

 

[Dotta]

"Top CIA official ​

posted pro-Palestine picture on Facebook two weeks after Hamas' terror attack on Israel.​

• Top intelligence chief changed profile pic to Palestinian flag two weeks after the October 7 attack that claimed 1,200 Israeli lives
• Previously she had posted a selfie with the words 'Free Palestine' superimposed."

Biden's White House rebellion over Israel reaches top of CIA

The CIA associate deputy director for analysis changed her Facebook cover photo to a picture of a man waving a Palestinian flag just two weeks after the brutal Hamas attack

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

"Ceasefire in levelled Gaza could be ​

'extended until Sunday morning' ​

but only if Hamas return all women and children before then."​

Ceasefire 'could be extended if Hamas return all women and children'

Israeli authorities estimate that around 100 women and children were among the 240 people abducted by Hamas terrorists during their bloody invasion of Israel that saw some 1,200 killed on October 7.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[katydid23]

Excellent reminder on where it's headed.
Probably most of the prisoners Israel released, were women and children that were never criminally charged.

Will Netanyahu cave and release Marwan Barghouti.
I believe he'll have pressure coming at him from the North, East West and South to do so in exchange for Israeli soldiers.

I highly doubt he will be released. Probably one of the very last that would be set free.

PALESTINE
The trial of Mr. Marwan Barghouti

Report by Mr. Simon Foreman, lawyer and expert appointed by the Committee on the Human Rights of Parliamentarians in accordance with the resolution adopted by the Governing Council of the Inter-Parliamentary Union at its 173rdsession

We shall briefly set out the charges brought against Mr. Barghouti in section (a), then the organisation of the proceedings in (b), and the organisation of the defence in (c).

(a) The charges brought against Mr. Barghouti

The indictment was drawn up by Ms. Chen, Director of the Department of Criminal Security Affairs and Special Affairs within the Office of the State Attorney, on 14 August 2002.

It accuses Mr. Barghouti of having coordinated a great many terrorist operations directed against Israeli civilian and military targets since the start of the second Intifada, whether suicide attacks with explosives or armed attacks.

The indictment lists 37 attacks or attempted attacks between December 2000 and April 2002 in which Mr. Barghouti is accused of involvement. One of the main attacks is said to be that of 5 March 2002 on a Tel Aviv restaurant: the indictment alleges that Mr. Barghouti authorised the attack and was reported to immediately after. The attack killed three and injured dozens.

He is also accused of having helped finance terrorist operations, in liaison with President Yasser Arafat. According to the indictment, Mr. Barghouti was handed the sum of $20,000 from President Arafat to finance the training of terrorists, and he passed on to the President of the Palestinian Authority requests for funding that he received from terrorist groups, to which the President decided whether or not to accede.

Mr. Barghouti is finally accused of having interviewed candidates for terrorist actions, deciding whether or not to admit them to the groups of which he is presented as being in charge: Fatah, an organisation described as a terrorist group; Tanzim, the armed branch of Fatah; and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a clandestine group set up after the launching of the Intifada.

The whole set of facts held against Mr. Barghouti is qualified as premeditated murder, incitement to murder, abetting murder, attempted murder, complicity in crime, activity in a terrorist organisation, and membership of a terrorist organisation.

(b) Organisation of the proceedings

The charges laid against Mr. Barghouti were thus referred to the Tel Aviv District Court.

The proceedings are split into two branches, one being the consideration of the charges and the judgment on guilt and the sentence, and the other the provisional detention pending judgment.

Human rights of parliamentarians: The trial of Mr. Marwan Barghouti - Palestine

 

[katydid23]

[…]

Soon after his release, he was moved to the emergency room of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the city of Jenin.

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago. The hand fractures were deliberately neglected by the Israeli Prison Service, which led to complications to the child’s right hand.

According to the Palestinian doctors who examined him following his release, Mohammed now needs a platinum implant to facilitate the fracture healing.

[…]

“I was arrested three months ago and I was held under administrative detention,” Mohammed told Al-Jazeera.

The administrative detention allows Israel to incarcerate Palestinians based on ‘secret evidence’ that is not revealed, even to the defense attorney. The detention can be extended for a period of six months, with no charge nor trial.

[…]

One week ago, we were savagely beaten with metal bars. I put my hands on my head to protect it from injury, but the soldiers did not stop until they broke my hands,” Mohammed added.

The child detainee was left without treatment for a full week until he was released on Tuesday morning, following the truce agreement.

[…]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729510970681131350

'Israeli Prisons Became a Graveyard for Us': Freed Palestinian Child Prisoner Speaks Out

Mohammed was severely injured in both his hands due to the beating by Israeli soldiers in the Negev prison, one week ago.

www.palestinechronicle.com

Did you see the video of this same kid, as he was leaving jail and getting on the Red Cross bus? No signs of any injuries whatsoever.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1729656239263494339

 

[katydid23]

I believe this boy was hurt.

We can all make our own minds with the information at hand and question where the propaganda is coming from and why.

Look carefully at the video of him---he is being released from jail. There are NO injuries at that time.

Besides, if what he said what true, why would the IDF release him with serious visible injuries? They could have held him back until he healed.

 

[margarita25]

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The Bibas family, father Yarden, mother Shiri, baby Kfir and four-year-old Ariel, were taken captive by Hamas terrorists on October 7, 2023 from Kibbutz Nir Oz (Courtesy)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-hamas-abducted-bibas-family-including-baby-handed-them-to-other-terror-group/

 

[JennieM]

Look carefully at the video of him---he is being released from jail. There are NO injuries at that time.

Besides, if what he said what true, why would the IDF release him with serious visible injuries? They could have held him back until he healed.

You cannot see all hand injuries. He was taken to the hospital following his release. Just because his injuries were not visible, it doesn’t mean he didn’t have them.

 

[Dotta]

You cannot see all hand injuries. He was taken to the hospital following his release. Just because his injuries were not visible, it doesn’t mean he didn’t have them.

Fractures are not visible.

"Possible occult fracture is a suspected fracture that needs to be confirmed with other imaging tests.

Occult fractures can occur because of a fall or other type of sudden (acute) injury.
They can also occur because of repetitive injuries or normal stresses on weak bones."

Possible Occult Fracture - Health Encyclopedia - University of Rochester Medical Center

www.urmc.rochester.edu