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It actually looked like there were quite a few Orthodox Jewish people supporting the rally, if that makes a difference. Someone posted the article up thread— will try to find it.

Maybe it was yours truly, as in, moi ?
My post was # 354.
(Idk, @IDK :))

The orthodox Jewish people may truly sanction it (freeing Palestine and supporting Hamas); as is their choice.
But they're not in Israel and in fear of being killed and/or their family members being kidnapped, so ...

I fully support freedom of speech.
But would some of the people in the rally want to go and live in Gaza ?
Prob. not.
It's safer in some countries than others.
Omo.
 
5min ago

Qatar: Israeli ground offensive complicates hostage talks ‘considerably’

The spokesperson for Qatar’s foreign ministry says that the Israeli ground offensive in Gaza launched yesterday (Friday) has significantly complicated Doha’s efforts to secure the release of the hostages taken from Israel held in Gaza.

“This escalation makes it considerably more difficult,” Majed al-Ansari says while noting that both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar have continued to express openness toward the issue, including since Israel launched an intensified phase of the war into northern Gaza on Friday night.

Sinwar said earlier that his terror group was ready to “immediately” swap with Israel in a deal “that includes “releasing all prisoners in the prisons of the Zionist occupation enemy in return for the release of all prisoners held by the resistance,” he said in a comment posted Saturday evening on Hamas media groups.

Netanyahu said the government was discussing the issue after being asked about the proposal, while saying that discussing the details publicly would harm efforts to reach a deal.

The prime minister also insisted that “broadening the ground offensive does not clash in any way with our ability to bring back the hostages.”

Explaining why he felt the opposite, al-Ansari tells CNN that “moving people during a [ground] incursion and [under] increased bombardment” is more difficult. “But also from a political [perspective], mediation only works when you have periods of calm.”

However, he stresses that the talks are “ongoing” and that “nobody in the region can afford to give up on this and just leave it to the military people to decide what happens in the future.”

[...]

The Qatari government spokesperson acknowledges that Doha does not have a definitive number of how many hostages currently being held in Gaza. “I’m not sure, to be honest, that anybody knows,” he says, adding that the lists provided by Israel and Hamas “are not necessarily always the same,” while appearing to confirm Palestinian Islamic Jihad claims that it too is holding a number of hostages.

Al-Ansari claims that both Israel and Hamas “acknowledge that the civilian hostages need to [be released] immediately,” though he does not say why Hamas continues to hold them in Gaza.

[...]

The Qatari foreign minister spokesperson says that Qatar prioritizes women and children followed by “foreign citizens” in the negotiations, not clarifying whether he’s referring to dual nationals or those without an Israeli passport. However, he insists that the latest discussions pertain to all civilians being held in Gaza, regardless of their age, gender, or nationality.

Al-Ansari does not mention the subgroup of soldiers who are also among those being held hostage. Hamas officials said toward the beginning of the war that it would only start negotiating their release after the fighting ended, but Sinwar said Saturday that the terror group would be prepared to release them all “immediately.”

Military spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari has dismissed the offer as “psychological terror” ands aid Israel is working on multiple channels to free the hostages.

[...]
 
5min ago

Qatar: Israeli ground offensive complicates hostage talks ‘considerably’

The spokesperson for Qatar’s foreign ministry says that the Israeli ground offensive in Gaza launched yesterday (Friday) has significantly complicated Doha’s efforts to secure the release of the hostages taken from Israel held in Gaza.

“This escalation makes it considerably more difficult,” Majed al-Ansari says while noting that both Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas’s Gaza chief Yahya Sinwar have continued to express openness toward the issue, including since Israel launched an intensified phase of the war into northern Gaza on Friday night.

Sinwar said earlier that his terror group was ready to “immediately” swap with Israel in a deal “that includes “releasing all prisoners in the prisons of the Zionist occupation enemy in return for the release of all prisoners held by the resistance,” he said in a comment posted Saturday evening on Hamas media groups.

Netanyahu said the government was discussing the issue after being asked about the proposal, while saying that discussing the details publicly would harm efforts to reach a deal.

The prime minister also insisted that “broadening the ground offensive does not clash in any way with our ability to bring back the hostages.”

Explaining why he felt the opposite, al-Ansari tells CNN that “moving people during a [ground] incursion and [under] increased bombardment” is more difficult. “But also from a political [perspective], mediation only works when you have periods of calm.”

However, he stresses that the talks are “ongoing” and that “nobody in the region can afford to give up on this and just leave it to the military people to decide what happens in the future.”

[...]

The Qatari government spokesperson acknowledges that Doha does not have a definitive number of how many hostages currently being held in Gaza. “I’m not sure, to be honest, that anybody knows,” he says, adding that the lists provided by Israel and Hamas “are not necessarily always the same,” while appearing to confirm Palestinian Islamic Jihad claims that it too is holding a number of hostages.

Al-Ansari claims that both Israel and Hamas “acknowledge that the civilian hostages need to [be released] immediately,” though he does not say why Hamas continues to hold them in Gaza.

[...]

The Qatari foreign minister spokesperson says that Qatar prioritizes women and children followed by “foreign citizens” in the negotiations, not clarifying whether he’s referring to dual nationals or those without an Israeli passport. However, he insists that the latest discussions pertain to all civilians being held in Gaza, regardless of their age, gender, or nationality.

Al-Ansari does not mention the subgroup of soldiers who are also among those being held hostage. Hamas officials said toward the beginning of the war that it would only start negotiating their release after the fighting ended, but Sinwar said Saturday that the terror group would be prepared to release them all “immediately.”

Military spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari has dismissed the offer as “psychological terror” ands aid Israel is working on multiple channels to free the hostages.

[...]
I'm not surprised that Hamas now implies that they would release the hostages, but it's more difficult with the invasion into Gaza. They had 3 weeks to release the hostages. Now is not the time to attempt to blame the victim.
 
It actually looked like there were quite a few Orthodox Jewish people supporting the rally, if that makes a difference. Someone posted the article up thread— will try to find it.

I'm thinking the Orthodox Jewish supporters are probably simply supporting the sanctity of human life in general (Israeli and Palestinian). Just my guess.
 
5min ago

Saudi defense minister heads to Washington as fears of regional war ramp up – report

This handout picture released by the Saudi Royal Palace shows Saudi Arabia's Prince Khalid bin Salman, the second son of the reigning monarch, taking the oath as defense minister at al-Salam Royal Palace in the Red Sea coastal city of Jeddah on September 27, 2022. (Bandar AL-JALOUD / Saudi Royal Palace / AFP)
This handout picture released by the Saudi Royal Palace shows Saudi Arabia's Prince Khalid bin Salman, the second son of the reigning monarch, taking the oath as defense minister at al-Salam Royal Palace in the Red Sea coastal city of Jeddah on September 27, 2022. (Bandar AL-JALOUD / Saudi Royal Palace / AFP)

Saudi Defense Minister Khalid bin Salman is expected at the White House on Monday for talks with officials in the Biden administration, Axios reports.

The meetings will come as fears ramp up that the war between Israel and the Hamas terror group following its October 7 shock onslaught, could expand into a regional war, according to the report.

The Saudis on Saturday said that “any ground operation by Israel would threaten the lives of Palestinian civilians and result in inhumane dangers,” according to a Saudi Foreign Ministry statement.

Citing three sources with knowledge of the meetings, Axios reports that bin Salman will meet with White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, Secretary of State Tony Blinken as well as several senators.

In the weeks before the war, Saudi Arabia had spoken of progress in US-led diplomacy to normalize relations with Israel.

Earlier this week, Biden and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman agreed in a phone call to eventually “build on” the US-brokered negotiations that had been underway to normalize Israel-Saudi ties.
 
I'm thinking the Orthodox Jewish supporters are probably simply supporting the sanctity of human life in general (Israeli and Palestinian). Just my guess.
The Orthodox Jews are against the state of Israel.
They are anti-Zionist.

 
Israeli Merkava Mark lV Main Battle Tanks and Namer Heavy Armored Personnel Carriers can be seen holding a Protective Firing Position near Caterpillar D9 Armored-Bulldozers and Puma Heavy-Engineering Vehicles as they continue to Clear Paths in Northern Gaza earlier today.

Senior Leaders in Hamas are continuing to state today that they are willing to Release all of the Hostages being held in the Gaza Strip in an Exchange for the 6-10 Thousand Members of Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad which are in Prison in Locations across Israel.
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The IDF has issued an Arabic language “urgent plea” to residents of the northern Gaza Strip, asking them to temporarily evacuate south.
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Why on earth would Israel release six to ten thousand soldiers out of prison just so they could continue to be attacked and Israeli hostages continue to be kidnapped?
 
I'm thinking the Orthodox Jewish supporters are probably simply supporting the sanctity of human life in general (Israeli and Palestinian). Just my guess.
They have been around for quite awhile. This is from 2002.
ETA: Founded in 1938


Their website is so old, that it barely works. It has a FB feed that works, but most links on it are dead.
 
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The Orthodox Jews are against the state of Israel.
They are anti-Zionist.

Ohh, so the Orthodox folks are waiting for YHWH (rather than people) to recreate the nation of Israel. Is that the gist of it?(wasn't able to read that article)
 
There is also Jewish Voice for Peace. It's quite a large group. (They were the ones who got Grand Central Station shut down last night)


I don't get the impression that they are ultra-orthodox. They are a progressive peace group. They probably have members that come and go. However, I think overall they probably don't like what happens when any country (Israel or the US) tend to overly focused on defense as opposed to peaceful solutions to international disputes.

It was founded in San Francisco in 1996.
 
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3:03 am

Qatar: Ties with Hamas ‘useful’ in current war between terror group and Israel

Qatar's foreign ministry spokesperson Majed al-Ansari addresses the Doha forum on December 6, 2018. (Screen capture/YouTube)
Qatar's foreign ministry spokesperson Majed al-Ansari addresses the Doha forum on December 6, 2018. (Screen capture/YouTube)

Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesperson indicates that his country has no intention to shutter Hamas’s political bureau in Doha after the October 7 onslaught, arguing that the channel of communication has been critical for talks on the release of the hostages and for efforts to de-escalate fighting between the terror group and Israel.

Majed al-Ansari tells CNN that “various sides” had pushed Qatar to open a line of communication with Hamas and to even allow the terror group to establish a political bureau in Doha. “This channel has been very instrumental in countering the escalations that took place,” he says, claiming that Qatar’s talks with Hamas helped curb tensions in September after two weeks of border rioting by Palestinians.

“Therefore, as long as this channel is useful in creating peace, we have to have it. We cannot afford to lose it,” al-Ansari says.

“It is now useful during this escalation. It is the only way that we are mediating the release of these hostages and for them to get back home to their families,” he adds.

[...]
 
There is also Jewish Voice for Peace. It's quite a large group. (They were the ones who got Grand Central Station shut down last night)

I don't get the impression that they are ultra-orthodox. They are a progressive peace group. They probably have members that come and go. However, I think overall they probably don't like what happens when any country (Israel or the US) tend to overly focused on defense as opposed to peaceful solutions to international disputes.
I'm not against peace, but peace only works when  all the players agree to it. In this particular situation, you have (depending on who you ask) at least one party who's not remotely interested in "peace". JMO
 
3:03 am

Qatar: Ties with Hamas ‘useful’ in current war between terror group and Israel

Qatar's foreign ministry spokesperson Majed al-Ansari addresses the Doha forum on December 6, 2018. (Screen capture/YouTube)'s foreign ministry spokesperson Majed al-Ansari addresses the Doha forum on December 6, 2018. (Screen capture/YouTube)
Qatar's foreign ministry spokesperson Majed al-Ansari addresses the Doha forum on December 6, 2018. (Screen capture/YouTube)

Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesperson indicates that his country has no intention to shutter Hamas’s political bureau in Doha after the October 7 onslaught, arguing that the channel of communication has been critical for talks on the release of the hostages and for efforts to de-escalate fighting between the terror group and Israel.

Majed al-Ansari tells CNN that “various sides” had pushed Qatar to open a line of communication with Hamas and to even allow the terror group to establish a political bureau in Doha. “This channel has been very instrumental in countering the escalations that took place,” he says, claiming that Qatar’s talks with Hamas helped curb tensions in September after two weeks of border rioting by Palestinians.

“Therefore, as long as this channel is useful in creating peace, we have to have it. We cannot afford to lose it,” al-Ansari says.

“It is now useful during this escalation. It is the only way that we are mediating the release of these hostages and for them to get back home to their families,” he adds.

[...]
I really need an 'eye roll' emoji to respond to this Qatar Foreign Ministry spokesperson.
How can they think this group can be interacted with on any civilized platform ?
Maybe it's because Hamas is somehow helpful to their cause ?
Js.

Yes, the hostages need to be rescued.
No, I don't think Hamas can be counted on to be truthful, on any level.
I wouldn't trust Hamas to water my houseplants.
Omo.
 
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