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The Orthodox Jews are against the state of Israel.
They are anti-Zionist.

There are many, many Orthodox Jews in Israel. They are known as Haredim and are usually exempt from the military, but many pages and links ago, we saw that they are now signing up in droves.

There is a small sect of Lubavitcher Jews that is anti-Zionist, but that is because they believe the Messiah has to come first and lead them there.

We once saw a handful of them protesting at a Salute to Israel parade, and it was very cognitively dissonant. But that is their reason, obviously not because they are anti-Jewish.
 
There is also Jewish Voice for Peace. It's quite a large group. (They were the ones who got Grand Central Station shut down last night)


I don't get the impression that they are ultra-orthodox. They are a progressive peace group. They probably have members that come and go. However, I think overall they probably don't like what happens when any country (Israel or the US) tend to overly focused on defense as opposed to peaceful solutions to international disputes.

It was founded in San Francisco in 1996.
Jewish Voice for Peace was founded by Noam Chomsky in 1996. Jewish Voice for Peace - Wikipedia
 
I am deeply concerned about the severing of communications in Gaza. There already is a dire humanitarian situation, including dangerous proximity to military operations for civilians and insufficient amounts of food, water, medicine, and fuel.

For the more than 2 million Gazans to not be able to communicate with one another or the outside world risks a further spiraling of the crisis—hampering the critical work of aid groups and journalists on the ground. I urge immediate restoration of full communications.

(Brian Schatz is a US Senator from Hawaii. He is Jewish)




 
And what if by choosing B you kill thousands of innocent men, women, and children? And annihilate their homes and infrastructure so that there is no end for them?
The problem is, those people in choice B are ALREADY living in horribly dangerous situations because of Hamas. Their schools, hospitals and apartment buildings are built upon munitions depots, tunnels and military compounds.

Their terroristic government also steals most of their foreign aid, as well as their gasoline, electricity and water pipes.

The dangerous situation cannot continue because it makes it possible for Hamas to continue terrorising its own people and their Israeli neighbours.

So Israel has no choice, after the Oct 7th Massacre, other than trying to disable the tunnels and destroy the terrorists hideouts and munitions. It is not Isreal's fault that Hamas built their hideout under the hospitals and the schools.

For many years it has prevented Isreal from fully eradicating them because of the civilians being used as shields.

But on October 7th, the shocking, jarring violence set forth across the entire nation, going home by home, raping, stabbing, killing, setting families on fire, kidnapping, torturing and filming it and sending it to surviving family members---that was too much.

So if I had lived through that, seen my family and my neighbours brutally slaughtered, in a massive invasion---I would choose option B, and annihilate Hamas, even if it meant it would kill many of their people and their infrastructure.

Israel has taken many steps to try and save as many civilians as they can. They sound alarms to warn residents, they knock on doors, they drop leaflets---they do not want to hurt the civilians BUT THEY DO WANT TO DESTROY THE TUNNELS WITH ALL THE TERRORISTS, MUNITIONS AND SUPPLIES.

In the end it will benefit the civilians in Gaza if the terrorists are defeated. Gaza will be able to actually receive their foreign aid and spend it on their own people. They will receive their water and gas and have electricity and will no longer live on top of munition tunnels.

In the end it will be better for Gaza.
 
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NetBlocks, a watchdog organisation that monitors cybersecurity and the internet, has reported that internet connectivity is being restored in the Gaza Strip. Most communications in the territory were knocked out late on Friday, with the Palestinian Red Crescent saying the blackout had blocked emergency calls and disrupted critical ambulance services.

The return of communications is a very welcome development in Gaza, which was cut off from the world late on Friday as Israel expanded ground operations and launched intense airstrikes.

Associated Press has spoken to some of the journalists who were still able to get news out, using international sim cards or satellite phones. Some moved closer to the southern border with Egypt, hoping to pick up that country’s network.

AP spoke to 28-year-old Palestinian journalist Hind al-Khoudary, who said the massive airstrikes that shook the ground exceeded anything she had experienced over the past three weeks or any of the four previous Israel-Hamas wars.

Here’s some detail from AP’s report:

“It was crazy,” she said. When the pace of bombardment slowed Saturday morning, residents rushed to the homes of loved ones with whom they had lost touch overnight.

“People right now are walking, using their cars because there isn’t internet,” al-Khoudary said. “Everyone is checking on us, seeing us, and now we are going to check on others.”

She went directly to Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest, where doctors, exhausted from operating on patient after patient with dwindling fuel and medical supplies, pressed on, despite the crowds of some 50,000 people sheltering in the compound.

The wounded poured in from Shati refugee camp in Gaza City, al-Khoudary said, where Israeli bombs wrought destruction the night before.

The Palestine Telecommunications Company (Paltel) has also confirmed that landline, mobile and internet services in the Gaza Strip are gradually being restored.

“Our technical teams are diligently addressing the damage to the internal network infrastructure under challenging conditions,” it said on social media.

 

A continuous drumbeat as Israeli bombs rain on Gaza​


Jeremy Bowen
International Editor

I woke up about half an hour ago at 06:45 local time (04:45 GMT) in my hotel in Ashkelon, the town in southern Israel that is about 10km from the nearest part of Gaza.

From my windows I can see the streets are empty. Many, if not most of the residents have left.

A continuous drumbeat of heavy shelling is coming from Israeli artillery batteries firing on Gaza and has not stopped since I woke up. I just counted six deep rumbles in a minute.

 

'Our children's lives are in their hands'​

Hadas Calderon, whose two children and ex-husband were taken by Hamas on 7 October, is pleading with Israeli authorities to make the safe return of hostages their top priority.

"Our children's lives are in their hands. I am asking them not to forget our children. They must make a ceasefire and [agree to a] prisoner exchange," she told BBC Newshour from Tel Aviv.

Calderon was among hundreds of people who gathered in Tel Aviv on Saturday to demand the release of their relatives who have been taken hostage.

Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that his military's top priority is to "completely eliminate" the Hamas group although he said speaking to the families of the hostages broke his heart.

Calderon also appealed to Hamas. "I am begging them, take care of our children and make sure they are safe... They are innocent. This is not their war."

Her son had turned 12 after his abduction and Calderon said the family held a "surrealistic" birthday party without him.

"We [bought] a big bike because he loves to mountain bike... That's still waiting for him to come and pick it. I want him and I want my girl, my sweet girl, and their father also - I want them back. And immediately."

 

Amid the blasts of countless bombs, the rattle of gunfire shows Israelis are in Gaza – and will stay​


The taking of the territory has begun with no ceasefire in sight
Julian Borger in Sderot

The heavy fog that cloaked Gaza’s agony on the morning after Israeli troops arrived was burned away by the sun – only to be replaced by the smoke of hundreds of bombs, and between the blasts, there was a new sound: machine gun fire.

The sporadic rattle coming from the northern town of Beit Hanoun could be heard from a hillside five kilometres away, across the border in Sderot, audible proof that the Israeli troops who crossed into Gaza on Friday night were still there on Saturday. The taking of Gaza territory had begun.

It was not an all-out invasion, at least not yet, but nor was it the sort of in-and-out incursion of the sort the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) had performed on the preceding nights.

“What’s notable to me, is also that for the first time since the Hamas surprise attacks on October 7, we’re seeing efforts by Israel to stay in some areas of Gaza, particularly the north, possibly to locate and destroy tunnels, or [to find] hostages,” Michael Horowitz, head of intelligence at Le Beck International risk consultancy, said.

(...)

The eastern side of Beit Hanoun visible from Sderot had ceased to resemble any sort of human habitation. Residential blocks had been pulverised, and the pounding focused on Jabalia refugee camp south-west of the town, and Gaza City beyond that.

Self-propelled howitzers, massive guns on tracks dug into the farmland to the south, fired every minute or two. Blasts of what sounded like tank fire could be heard from inside Beit Hanoun, and every few minutes the roar of a jet would pass over to be followed by a bloom of white smoke on the horizon.

The Israeli army is well aware it is marching into a trap, that its lines of advance will be mined and booby trapped and that Hamas fighters with Russian-made Kornet anti-tank missiles will be waiting in the rubble. But the IDF plan is to obliterate the trap first, turn alleyways into flat boulevards through relentless bombing.

Since it gave instructions for Palestinians in Beit Hanoun and the rest of northern Gaza to move south, it has told itself that whoever remains has chosen to be a human shield for Hamas, no matter if they are too old or sick to move, or that up to now, the south has been as deadly as the north.

The first day of the ground assault did not show definitively how Israel will seek to achieve its stated aim of destroying Hamas militarily and politically, but it provided clues.

(...)

How much time Israeli forces have to achieve their aims will depend on the international climate, and in particular, US tolerance for the price in civilian lives of the Israeli offensive. On Saturday, it was announced that the three-star US Marine Corps general James Glynn, sent to sit alongside Israel’s commanders in the IDF war room, had left the country.

“Make no mistake – what is, has or will unfold in Gaza is purely an Israeli decision,” the Marine commandant Gen Eric Smith, said, announcing the departure. “[Glynn] was over, he’s back now and he provided his experience to be taken [or] not taken.”

The US had urged restraint, for Israel to hold back on a ground offensive, and Smith’s remarks suggested that advice had been ignored, and what unfolds now is no longer Washington’s responsibility.

By the time Israeli troops had entered Beit Hanoun however, it may already have been too late for that.

 
NetBlocks, a watchdog organisation that monitors cybersecurity and the internet, has reported that internet connectivity is being restored in the Gaza Strip. Most communications in the territory were knocked out late on Friday, with the Palestinian Red Crescent saying the blackout had blocked emergency calls and disrupted critical ambulance services.

The return of communications is a very welcome development in Gaza, which was cut off from the world late on Friday as Israel expanded ground operations and launched intense airstrikes.

Associated Press has spoken to some of the journalists who were still able to get news out, using international sim cards or satellite phones. Some moved closer to the southern border with Egypt, hoping to pick up that country’s network.

AP spoke to 28-year-old Palestinian journalist Hind al-Khoudary, who said the massive airstrikes that shook the ground exceeded anything she had experienced over the past three weeks or any of the four previous Israel-Hamas wars.

Here’s some detail from AP’s report:

“It was crazy,” she said. When the pace of bombardment slowed Saturday morning, residents rushed to the homes of loved ones with whom they had lost touch overnight.

“People right now are walking, using their cars because there isn’t internet,” al-Khoudary said. “Everyone is checking on us, seeing us, and now we are going to check on others.”

She went directly to Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest, where doctors, exhausted from operating on patient after patient with dwindling fuel and medical supplies, pressed on, despite the crowds of some 50,000 people sheltering in the compound.

The wounded poured in from Shati refugee camp in Gaza City, al-Khoudary said, where Israeli bombs wrought destruction the night before.

The Palestine Telecommunications Company (Paltel) has also confirmed that landline, mobile and internet services in the Gaza Strip are gradually being restored.

“Our technical teams are diligently addressing the damage to the internal network infrastructure under challenging conditions,” it said on social media.

The irony: Al Jazeera had live coverage! It was only media source that didn't lose coverage.

I poked around looking for Gaza news and Al Jazeera was live all through the night. They had a webcam in Gaza City and a live reporter in front of Khan Younis Hospital.


They did write a report earlier about the internet and tunnels and they knew Israel would cut internet and that Hamas was prepared. Did Al Jazeera have a satellite set up or did they work out something with Hamas?

I tend to believe they had a satellite set up because they go to parts of the world without cell service. Guess we'll never know.
 
The irony: Al Jazeera had live coverage! It was only media source that didn't lose coverage.

I poked around looking for Gaza news and Al Jazeera was live all through the night. They had a webcam in Gaza City and a live reporter in front of Khan Younis Hospital.


They did write a report earlier about the internet and tunnels and they knew Israel would cut internet and that Hamas was prepared. Did Al Jazeera have a satellite set up or did they work out something with Hamas?

I tend to believe they had a satellite set up because they go to parts of the world without cell service. Guess we'll never know.
Some international media correspondents were also able to continue broadcasting. Ali Jadallah, a photographer for the Turkey-based Anadolu agency, who lost several members of his family in an airstrike earlier in the conflict, posted photos and videos of heavy explosions. He wrote: “We are disconnected from the internet and calls. There is a complete blackout. Explosions do not stop.”

The BBC’s Rushdi Abualouf was able to get through to the broadcaster on Saturday morning, reporting Israel had cut fibre cables and taken two mobile service providers offline. He described “a state of panic, fear and chaos”.

“I have been driving through the city of Khan Younis this morning. Less people but more panic. People don’t know what to do. They can’t establish communication with their friends, their families … People are extremely worried about what’s going to happen next and if Israeli tanks will start to advance into some parts of Gaza Strip.”

Al Jazeera said its correspondents had been able to provide sporadic updates through satellite communication.

The broadcaster’s Hani Mahmoud, who was in Khan Younis, said: “Medical and civil defence personnel said they could not make it to the targeted areas because of the lack of communication.

“The entire communication system of the Gaza Strip has been destroyed, allowing only speculation currently about the sheer amount of damage.”

 
Humanitarian efforts in Gaza 'will be expanding' - IDF

Egypt and the United States "will be expanding" humanitarian aid to Gaza on Sunday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman Daniel Hagari said today in a video statement posted to X, formerly known as Twitter.

He did not elaborate further.

In the same video, Hagari accused Hamas of firing from among Gazan civilians and using them as "human shields".

"Hamas terrorists operate inside and under civilian buildings, precisely because they know the IDF distinguishes between terrorists and civilians," he added.
 
Some international media correspondents were also able to continue broadcasting. Ali Jadallah, a photographer for the Turkey-based Anadolu agency, who lost several members of his family in an airstrike earlier in the conflict, posted photos and videos of heavy explosions. He wrote: “We are disconnected from the internet and calls. There is a complete blackout. Explosions do not stop.”

The BBC’s Rushdi Abualouf was able to get through to the broadcaster on Saturday morning, reporting Israel had cut fibre cables and taken two mobile service providers offline. He described “a state of panic, fear and chaos”.

“I have been driving through the city of Khan Younis this morning. Less people but more panic. People don’t know what to do. They can’t establish communication with their friends, their families … People are extremely worried about what’s going to happen next and if Israeli tanks will start to advance into some parts of Gaza Strip.”

Al Jazeera said its correspondents had been able to provide sporadic updates through satellite communication.

The broadcaster’s Hani Mahmoud, who was in Khan Younis, said: “Medical and civil defence personnel said they could not make it to the targeted areas because of the lack of communication.

“The entire communication system of the Gaza Strip has been destroyed, allowing only speculation currently about the sheer amount of damage.”

Thanks for this.
We had a blackout during a prolonged freeze (I live in a part of the US where this does not happen) It was very scary because we also did not have electricity and were losing running water. It's scary for the Gazans and even scarier for the families of the hostages.
 

‘My children were saying: Let them just kill us’: British doctor trapped in Gaza with family calls for ceasefire​


A British doctor trapped in Gaza with his young family after going there to visit his parents has called for UK parties to unite behind an immediate ceasefire, saying the way UK and world leaders were permitting the killing of Palestinian civilians, including children, would go down in history as “a stain on humanity”.

(...)

“When the F-16s come, it is really scary and traumatic. You hear them and then the hiss of the missile and then the big blast, and then you can smell the gunpowder.

“The children are there, terrified, saying exactly this: ‘Let them just kill us for this to end.’ They were saying this, including my daughter – they were talking and they were all agreed.” He said his own parents’ home had been destroyed early in the bombing and that his sister had grown so desperate during the nights of shelling that she had talked of imagining the deaths of family members and having to search for their body parts.

(...)

The NHS doctor compared the reactions of UK leaders to atrocities committed by Hamas with those after the IRA killed innocent people during the Troubles of the 1970s and 80s.

He asked why it was that politicians would never have responded to the IRA attacks by bombing civilian areas of Belfast, while they were prepared to see Gaza attacked. “[You cannot] imagine the British leaders saying: ‘The IRA is a terrorist organisation so we are going to kill all these people, all these civilians.’ I think this is really outrageous [how they can take a different view towards those in Gaza]. I don’t understand how they allow this to happen.”

(...)

 

Thousands of people break into aid centres in Gaza Strip, says UN agency​

Thousands of people have broken into several warehouses and distribution centres of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the middle and southern areas of the Gaza Strip, taking wheat flour and other “basic survival items”, the organisation has said.

One of the warehouses, in Deir al-Balah, is where UNRWA stores supplies from the humanitarian convoys coming from Egypt, the agency said in a statement.

Thomas White, the director of UNRWA affairs in the Gaza Strip, said:

This is a worrying sign that civil order is starting to break down after three weeks of war and a tight siege on Gaza.
People are scared, frustrated and desperate. Tensions and fear are made worse by the cuts in the phones and internet communication lines.
They feel that they are on their own, cut off from their families inside Gaza and the rest of the world.

The UNRWA describes itself as “unique in terms of its longstanding commitment to one group of refugees”.

It has a dual role that encompasses humanitarian and developmental responsibilities – in effect delivering governance-like services across dozens of refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Palestinian Red Crescent says Israel asks it to immediately evacuate al-Quds hospital​

The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Sunday it has received warnings from Israeli authorities to immediately evacuate al-Quds hospital in the Gaza Strip, as it is “going to be bombarded”.

“Since this morning, there has been raids 50 meters away from the hospital,” it added in a statement posted to X, formerly Twitter.

The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) has said that its ability to help people in Gaza has been completely stretched by airstrikes that have killed more than 50 of its staff and restricted the movement of supplies.

Even before the conflict, the organisation had said its mandate was being jeopardised due to a lack of funding, Reuters reports.

Scotland's first minister says parents-in-law in Gaza are 'alive' but have run out of clean drinking water​

Scotland’s first minister, Humza Yousaf, has said his parents-in-law, who have been trapped in Gaza, are alive but have run out of clean drinking water.

Elizabeth El-Nakla and her husband, Maged, the parents of Yousaf’s wife, Nadia, travelled to Gaza before hostilities flared up earlier this month to visit family and became trapped.

We heard from my in-laws in Gaza this morning, they are alive, thank God. However, they have run out of clean drinking water.The UN resolution must be implemented. We need the violence to stop, and for significant amounts of aid to get through without delay.


 

'The Americans are sending aircraft carrier strike groups.

What does it mean?

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The US is sending its forces to the Mediterranean Sea due to the tense situation in the Middle East.

The American aircraft carrier strike group is a powerful group, even larger than the air forces of several countries.
Due to another conflict in the Middle East, the Americans already have two aircraft carrier groups in the Mediterranean Sea, built around the aircraft carriers USS "Gerald R. Ford" and the older USS 'Dwight D. Eisenhower'.

Together with them, two missile cruisers and six destroyers appeared in the waters.


The Admiralty assumes that in the event of further escalation of the conflict, it will be possible to send an amphibious group to the region, led by the multi-purpose landing ship USS "Bataan".

It can transport 1,800 soldiers. It currently carries six F-35Bs, a dozen MV-22B Ospreys and VH-53E Super Stalion heavy transport helicopters.

This potential option is important.
On Saturday evening - at a special conference - Benjamin Netanyahu announced the " second stage of the war " against Hamas.

'Our goals are clear:
to destroy the military and operational capabilities of Hamas and to return the kidnapped',
he said, declaring an intense fight, no doubt counting on the support of the United States."

Much more in the link from my country's MSM

 
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Thousands of people break into aid centres in Gaza Strip, says UN agency​

Thousands of people have broken into several warehouses and distribution centres of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in the middle and southern areas of the Gaza Strip, taking wheat flour and other “basic survival items”, the organisation has said.

One of the warehouses, in Deir al-Balah, is where UNRWA stores supplies from the humanitarian convoys coming from Egypt, the agency said in a statement.

Thomas White, the director of UNRWA affairs in the Gaza Strip, said:



The UNRWA describes itself as “unique in terms of its longstanding commitment to one group of refugees”.

It has a dual role that encompasses humanitarian and developmental responsibilities – in effect delivering governance-like services across dozens of refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

Palestinian Red Crescent says Israel asks it to immediately evacuate al-Quds hospital​

The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Sunday it has received warnings from Israeli authorities to immediately evacuate al-Quds hospital in the Gaza Strip, as it is “going to be bombarded”.

“Since this morning, there has been raids 50 meters away from the hospital,” it added in a statement posted to X, formerly Twitter.

The UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) has said that its ability to help people in Gaza has been completely stretched by airstrikes that have killed more than 50 of its staff and restricted the movement of supplies.

Even before the conflict, the organisation had said its mandate was being jeopardised due to a lack of funding, Reuters reports.

Scotland's first minister says parents-in-law in Gaza are 'alive' but have run out of clean drinking water​

Scotland’s first minister, Humza Yousaf, has said his parents-in-law, who have been trapped in Gaza, are alive but have run out of clean drinking water.

Elizabeth El-Nakla and her husband, Maged, the parents of Yousaf’s wife, Nadia, travelled to Gaza before hostilities flared up earlier this month to visit family and became trapped.

We heard from my in-laws in Gaza this morning, they are alive, thank God. However, they have run out of clean drinking water.The UN resolution must be implemented. We need the violence to stop, and for significant amounts of aid to get through without delay.


Heartbreaking, IMO.
 
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