James Kolar's New Book Will Blow the Lid off the JonBenet Ramsey Investigation

[eileenhawkeye]

Tricia just said on the radio show with Levi Page that JonBenet had a box of chocolate in her room that was covered in feces. :what:

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Anyone here know much about electric train tracks? Different gauges, how the ends are put together, etc.
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The electrodes! and the hand loom. I've wondered about the loom since it was photographed and entered into evidence.

 

[Whaleshark]

We have some threads discussing the book at FFJ, if that helps, concernedmother.

Also, as per the ligature, Kolar details that the ligature was tied with a slip knot and pulled from behind to strangle the child.

So if he's sure that's how it happened then maybe the hair got pulled out at the neck and head because she was unconscious after the head blow, and this is when the ligature with handle was tied on her close to her head. So when the person pulled the handle and rope from the resting back of her head position, after it was assembled, the person pulled that hair out that had gotten entwined in it?

This could work.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Thanks for the info. What about Don Paugh, who wired a float with music, Burke's boy scout troop, John Andrew's friends, Melinda, or any of Jonbenet's photographers? Just want to make sure these people are cleared if innocent.

How about the kids that came over to the Ramsey's to play with Burke's new Nintendo? Could one of the boy's helped JonBenet riding her bike? before they left for the Whites?

I'd thought about the electrodes on the power box where there are usually two screws that connect that wires before but not the actual track. John Ramseys said he left Burke down in the train room putting together a new something for his trains.

And the hand loom was something I've come back to several times.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Kolar does not explicitly mention who he thinks was responsible for the death of JonBenet, although it’s clear that he feels that there is behavioral evidence, some statements to childhood friends ,as well as some things found during the course of executing a search warrant in the home that collectively form a somewhat troubling picture of Burke.

I think it was in PMPT that Burke was in Pasty's favor and had her attention until JonBenet started school then Pasty turn her full focus on JonBenet.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

But Burke was only three weeks from being 10 years old. His birth date is January 27th.

Pasty said Burke had baseball lessons? Would that be batting cages? A nine year old can put a lot of force in a swing.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Wow, you really do know about them. I suppose we'll all be needing to learn about them now.

I had a friend years ago who was really into them. He took up the entirety of a bedroom in a two bedroom house with plywood on sawhorses so he could build a miniature city on it and lay train tracks all over. This, while his two kids had to sleep on a mattress lying on the floor in his living room because of his trains. He tried to get me interested and told me all about the different gauges and stuff, but I just didn't see the interest for a grown man.

Anyway... Do all types of tracks have a male and a female on each end? Seems like I remember from childhood cheaper models that had both male connections on one end and the female on the opposite.

About the electricity, I don't think it's enough to cause burn marks even if held for in one place for an extended length of time. Unless you know something else on a train set that could cause the marks, I'm at a loss on how Kolar could attribute them to this. :waitasec:
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The contacts? I kinda remember my son's train and race tracks. You connected the power pack by two screws?

 

[sandover]

I think Chrishope has the right idea here. BDI does not make sense given the extent of the staging. Nor does it make sense from the POV of Burke's successful development (relatively speaking) as an adult. I think a person who had killed his sister and then lived with that secret would not have thrived to the extent that he did.

But if we go by public appearances, it is clear -- as it was from the start -- that Patsy was flat-out nuts. And John's dissociated flatness speaks to someone who could easily be an accomplice if he felt it was ultimately in his best interest. I think the most likely scenario remains PDI with John at some point conspiring with her to lie about it.

 

[Chrishope]

I know that's what you're saying. Not missing the point - you're just not making it.



Right, that's your opinion - based on your values of what makes sense to you. For example, it does not make sense to me to lie on the stand to cover up my son's crimes. It made perfect sense to Cindy Anthony. How come Cindy Anthony lied on the stand? Because her personal values were as such that she would rather save the one child she had left, since she couldn't save the granddaughter she lost, even if she knew (which she did) that it was at the hands of her own daughter. Totally personal choice. Wouldn't be mine - therefore, I cannot deduce that every parent would make the same choice.

Your only answer to that is because 1) She knew that Casey was old enough to go to jail, and 2) The Ramseys must have known that Burke was not old enough to go to jail, and 3) Your opinion that the other reasons to protect Burke wouldn't matter...how can you know with 100% certainty what would matter to them as far as personal values... that's my point. To you, those other things wouldn't be a factor to stage. To others, it would.

You see no reason to stage to protect a child anyway, yet numerous, numerous, other parents said they would protect their children and cover up for them in a crime... even if their child murdered someone. This is the end of your argument right here. ...But I bet you don't know why....



A parent protecting a child at all costs IS a scenario as equally likely to include staging, for a parent who wants to protect their child at all costs! You presume the value of the Ramseys level of concern for protecting their child (and anything else important to them). I think that is YOUR error. You are placing YOUR value of importance on THEIR likeliness to stage, without taking into account everything we know about them. Big mistake. Even numerous parents who don't have as much to lose as the Ramseys said they would cover up/lie/protect for their murdering children.



Well, of course it is the source of confusion. How do you figure the risk goes up with staging if BDI? I've been saying the risk is the same, because the staging still pointed to the Ramseys if they did it only to protect themselves, uh - because IT DID POINT TO THEM ANYWAY, based on all that happened, and where we are with the case right now....



You still have not answered my question as to how staging for Burke RAISES their risk. You only mentioned that it helps lower their risk if their staging for RDI. Why does it then not lower it the same for BDI?



Yes, and it is/was. But we still don't know who it is. And there was obvious parental involvement, ie: Ransom note.....



I know this is what you are saying - but even in that statement above, you do not say HOW the risk goes UP for staging for a BDI only scenario. You just say that it only goes down for an RDI scenario. How?



No we're not.

I give.

My brain hurts.

You still have not answered my question as to how staging for Burke RAISES their risk. You only mentioned that it helps lower their risk if their staging for RDI. Why does it then not lower it the same for BDI?

Staging does not lower the risk in a BDI scenario because their risk is already very low. In BDI, the Rs are not suspected of any wrongdoing, and BR is too young to be prosecuted. BR isn't going to jail. JR and PR aren't going to jail. BR is going to see a shrink and the papers are going to report the incident, so there is some family embarrassment, then it's over. Staging implicates the Rs in murder, when (if BDI is true) it is really an accidental killing by a minor. The baseline in BDI is no one is in any legal danger at all. Staging makes it look like a murder/molestation case, and makes the Rs look guilty. That's a significantly higher level of risk.

 

[madeleine]

I agree there was staging. We are told there was even "staging within staging." None of the staging, in my opinion, was done with the intention of making the police think there was staging. That, however, is a different discussion than whether or not a ligature was used instead of a garotte.

The wooden handle does not make it a garotte. The implement and the way it was used make it a ligature, not a garotte. If someone put a wire around Jonbenet's neck criss-crossed it and pulled one wire to the left and one wire to the right, that would be one example of a garotte and how it is used.

The use of a garotte, to a profiler, implies a different probability than does the use of a ligature.

re bold

yep,maybe it's not that complicated after all....maybe it was just a TOY?
someone suggested the kids where playing kidnapping....would explain the fact that the bindings were LOOSE.
also,the prints on the bowl and glass (Burke's) and JB having pineapple suggests they were awake/together in the kitchen.alone?dunno.maybe yes and after that they decided to go down to the basement to play (maybe using the flashlight?)

 

[IrishMist]

IMO, if Burke was involved, I believe the staging wasn’t just for the benefit of the police, it was also for the benefit of Burke himself. HE didn’t kill his sister – an intruder did. This enabled him complete denial in his mind. To the extent that he now claims he doesn’t even remember that night.

Even if the R’s knew that Burke couldn’t be legally prosecuted, they also knew that that kind of thing would haunt him; he would forever be known as that boy that killed his sister. That would hinder his future to a far greater extent than being that boy whose sister was murdered.

As previously noted, he was 3 weeks from turning 10… I’m not sure how he couldn’t remember anything about that night; the night his little sister was supposed to have been brutally and savagely killed in his own home. On Christmas.

It was hastily and sloppily done, but it served its purpose. They lost JonBenet, but they did, in the end, save Burke.

 

[madeleine]

when he was interviewed back then it was weird that he knew how she died and he wasn't emotional at all re the loss.he even left JB out of his family drawing.the R's on the other hand claimed he was taken to a therapist in order to help him get over it.i don't think so,IMO he needed to be brainwashed ,for his own good.and I agree,if he did it he maybe isn't even aware,if he heard different stories for so many years...

 

[chemgirl]

Tricia just said on the radio show with Levi Page that JonBenet had a box of chocolate in her room that was covered in feces. :what:

Well, you know what Forest Gump says...oy! What a household! :banghead:
Ordered my book from one of Amazon's sellers who had it in stock and am eagerly waiting to read and read and read!

 

[sandover]

IMO, if Burke was involved, I believe the staging wasn’t just for the benefit of the police, it was also for the benefit of Burke himself. HE didn’t kill his sister – an intruder did. This enabled him complete denial in his mind. To the extent that he now claims he doesn’t even remember that night.

Even if the R’s knew that Burke couldn’t be legally prosecuted, they also knew that that kind of thing would haunt him; he would forever be known as that boy that killed his sister. That would hinder his future to a far greater extent than being that boy whose sister was murdered.

As previously noted, he was 3 weeks from turning 10… I’m not sure how he couldn’t remember anything about that night; the night his little sister was supposed to have been brutally and savagely killed in his own home. On Christmas.

It was hastily and sloppily done, but it served its purpose. They lost JonBenet, but they did, in the end, save Burke.

This theory presupposes incredible psychological insight from the Ramseys, neither of whom ever demonstrated much. The thought they had a rational conversation about how to protect Burke from the psychological trauma of killing his sister is not believable.

 

[otg]

Hi, Maddy, LTNT .

when he was interviewed back then it was weird that he knew how she died and he wasn't emotional at all re the loss.he even left JB out of his family drawing.the R's on the other hand claimed he was taken to a therapist in order to help him get over it.i don't think so,IMO he needed to be brainwashed ,for his own good.and I agree,if he did it he maybe isn't even aware,if he heard different stories for so many years...

IIRC, the therapist below (Bernard) was not the private therapist the Rs hired later -- this session was agreed upon early on as the conditions for the "police interview":

Originally Posted by madeleine http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6091613&postcount=20

dunno about you but this kid creeps me out

http://www.acandyrose.com/1999-BonitaPapers.htm

BURKE'S INTERVIEW



On January 8, John and Patsy took Burke to the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot, Colorado, through arrangements made by the Boulder Police department, to be interviewed by Dr. Suzanne Bernard, a specialist in child psychology. As is customary in interrogations of children, Dr. Bernhard played a game with Burke throughout the interview and the entire interview was videotaped.



When left alone with the psychologist, Burke appeared to be at ease and even told the doctor that be felt safe, even though he did say that he had not wanted to come that day! Dr. Bernhard thought it was unusual for this child to feel safe. "People in this entire town didn't feel safe with the concept that there was someone running around that could be snatching children, and this was his own sister and happened in his own home. Generally speaking, a child who goes through this kind of trauma, where a sibling or a family member has been killed, they don’t feel safe.



Burke described his father as quiet and that he was "always at work", and that his mother "worked as a mom'. The thing he liked most about his mom was that she gave him lots of hugs and kisses, and the thing he liked most about his dad were "planes". Throughout the interview he showed little warmth towards his family, but at the same time was very protective of them. According to Burke, the worst thing they did was not buy him, expensive toys. Dr. Bernhard explained that most children in interviews will discuss things about the family that angers them even if they love them, but Burke appeared to have difficulty in opening up about his family, similar to children who can't say things, because they feel that there are some things they shouldn't say.



Social Services had previously provided Dr. Bernhard with some history on Burke which indicated an ongoing bedwetting problem, but Burke denied this saying that it happened a long time ago. Children are usually honest about this in interviews, and Dr. Bernhard wondered why Burke was not.



Many of Burke's other responses also created areas of concern for the doctor. Burke displayed an enormous amount of lack of emotion, almost to the point of indifference, which Dr. Bernard explained may be attributed to shock, but could also have been a lack of attachment to his family. Since his mother had appeared very emotional when she brought Burke for the interview, Dr. Bernard thought that perhaps Burke could not deal with the family’s emotions and had therefore just withdrawn. Even in response to questions which should have elicited strong emotions, he remained non-expressive. When asked “How have things been since your only sister died?”, Burke responded, “It’s been okay.” And when asked if he missed her, he said, “Yep.” Burke continuously told Dr. Bernhard that he tried to forget about things and just play his Nintendo.



'When asked to draw a picture of his family, he drew a father figure who was distanced from Burke, a mother figure which was the smallest figure in the picture, and JonBenet was not in the picture at all. Dr. Bernhard interpreted the drawing to suggest that Burke felt his father was not emotionally available to him and that his mother was insignificant and did not have a great deal of power. Dr. Bernhard thought it extremely abnormal that JonBenet was not in the family picture at all, since her heath had occurred only 13 days prior. Most children continue to include deceased siblings in family drawings years after the death because it is too devastating for them to think about the loss. Burke also told Dr. Bernhard that he was “getting on with his life.”, another very abnormal reaction for a child who had so recently lost his sibling.



When specifically discussing the crime, he related that he did not hear any noises that night and that he was asleep, but he admitted that he usually hears when someone opens the refrigerator door downstairs. Dr. Bernhard asked what he thought happened to his sister. Burke, showing the first signs of irritation during the interview, responded, "I know what happened, she was killed.” Burke's explanation to the doctor was “someone took her quietly and took her down in the basement took a knife out or hit her on the head." He said that the only thing he asked his dad was "where did you find her body", a highly unusual query from a child considering the possible questions a child might ask about the death of a sibling.



Dr. Bernhard felt there needed to be more follow-up with Burke in the discussion of sexual contact. The only show of emotion by Burke, other than the irritation with the questions about the actual crime, was when Dr. Bernhard began to ask about uncomfortable touching. Burke picked up a board game and put it on his head an action indicating anxiety or discomfort with these types of questions and that there was more that he was not telling her. Dr. Bernhard asked Burke if he had any secrets, and he said, “probably, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, because then it wouldn’t be a secret.

(my bold)

It should be pointed out for those not remembering (I know, I’m getting old too), that this interview was done before all the publicly released (and leaked) info (RE: search warrants, autopsy report, etc.), before the tabloids had mentioned the knife, and while the R parents were saying they hadn’t discussed anything about JonBenet’s death with him.
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[madeleine]

i wasn't clear enough,sorry

when he was interviewed back then it was weird that he knew how she died and he wasn't emotional at all re the loss.he even left JB out of his family drawing.

that was re the interview with the police children shrink

the R's on the other hand claimed he was taken to a therapist in order to help him get over it.i don't think so,IMO he needed to be brainwashed ,for his own good.and I agree,if he did it he maybe isn't even aware,if he heard different stories for so many years...

re the private one the R's sent him to

 

[gypsychild]

One of my problems with the BDI theory is that I honestly think that if he had something major to hide his parents would not have let him out of their site. Think about it - a nine year old with information you don't want shared... Are you going to let them away from your side for a minute? or keep them close by so you can shush them should they start talking? Also I just really can't see JR covering in that manner unless he himself had something to hide. He seems very self centered, narcissistic even, and I just can't see him going to that extreme level of cover for someone else, even his own child. So even if BR did swing the club/maglight/whatever, there was something else that needed to be hidden. If BDI and there was no molestation that night, I believe they would have rushed that child to the hospital to attempt to be saved. I have considered that maybe the swing of the club was not meant for JBR. Perhaps someone walked in on some type of molestation and swung that golf club or light at the perpetrator and struck JBR instead. The club/flashlight swinger is who I am 50/50 on PR or BR.

 

[claudicici]

Well, you know what Forest Gump says...oy! What a household! :banghead:
Ordered my book from one of Amazon's sellers who had it in stock and am eagerly waiting to read and read and read!

I wonder if it was tested....did it belong to an animal....or Jon Benet?
If people theorize JonBenet 's bed-wetting pushed PR over the edge I believe that could have really done it....Jon Benet was displaying some rebellious acts during those last days ,what if she did it deliberately ?
I'm still way more in the PDI camp than the BDI one,I really don't think it was him......

 

[FairM]

How about the kids that came over to the Ramsey's to play with Burke's new Nintendo? Could one of the boy's helped JonBenet riding her bike? before they left for the Whites?

I'd thought about the electrodes on the power box where there are usually two screws that connect that wires before but not the actual track. John Ramseys said he left Burke down in the train room putting together a new something for his trains.

And the hand loom was something I've come back to several times.

Can I please correct you there, it was a miniature parking garage that Burke was putting together and he wasn't in the train room but in a living room/lounge...please see page 9 of Death of Innocence by the Ramseys.

 

[FairM]

Burke is innocent!!!!!!