Jason Young to get new trial

[jova33]

We're not supposed to have to prove one's innocence, are we? That's what people expect nowadays and in many cases it is simply impossible. How does JY prove he was sleeping in his hotel room when all of this happened? He can't. No one could.

Exactly. And they did not prove he left the hotel IMO.

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[Landonsmom02]

And police dramas on TV. Everyone is more than willing to talk to police.

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Yes police dramas on tv. Where there is always DNA left behind and the crime is solved in one hour. Did you know that almost all cases mainly have CE? This case is full of it and it all leads back to JY. How many coincidences can there be on the night his wife is murdered? He is so unlucky. He lived in a city with "corrupt" LEO, lawyers, judges and ME. Poor JY. Everyone's lying and fabricating evidence. He is the only one being truthful. Poor JY. As a tax payer of NC I don't mind paying for this trial. He will be convicted again. As for BC trial. Don't know I read AL book and wasn't impressed. Now MP hmm yeah I pissed about that one. He's guilty and will probably walk!

 

[jova33]

Yes police dramas on tv. Where there is always DNA left behind and the crime is solved in one hour. Did you know that almost all cases mainly have CE? This case is full of it and it all leads back to JY. How many coincidences can there be on the night his wife is murdered? He is so unlucky. He lived in a city with "corrupt" LEO, lawyers, judges and ME. Poor JY. Everyone's lying and fabricating evidence. He is the only one being truthful. Poor JY. As a tax payer of NC I don't mind paying for this trial. He will be convicted again. As for BC trial. Don't know I read AL book and wasn't impressed. Now MP hmm yeah I pissed about that one. He's guilty and will probably walk!

Explain the gas mileage.

Edit: there is DNA evidence, that doesn't belong to JY.
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[citygirl]

Why do you always have to throw in a snarky comment like that? No one wants to see a murderer go free. Again, those of us who wanted NG believe there was too much doubt to conclude that he is guilty as charged.

I really wish we didn't have to have such an us versus them mentality here. I honestly believe that I am objective enough that if someone here provided enough of a convincing argument, I would change my mind and openly admit it. There is no win/loss here. I just want to understand the truth. There are way too many unanswered questions here to feel satisfied with this verdict.

Those of you that wanted NG believe there was too much doubt and you believe that you have been objective. Madeleine believes there is no doubt of guilt yet you question her objectivity? Agreed - total loss all around. There are never winners and losers in the harsh game of life which we all endure. Everything cuts both ways. IMO, I think he is guilty and he is where he should be. Does a retrial bother me? No. Do I feel for both families having to undergo another trial? Absolutely.

 

[sunshine05]

Yes police dramas on tv. Where there is always DNA left behind and the crime is solved in one hour. Did you know that almost all cases mainly have CE? This case is full of it and it all leads back to JY. How many coincidences can there be on the night his wife is murdered? He is so unlucky. He lived in a city with "corrupt" LEO, lawyers, judges and ME. Poor JY. Everyone's lying and fabricating evidence. He is the only one being truthful. Poor JY. As a tax payer of NC I don't mind paying for this trial. He will be convicted again. As for BC trial. Don't know I read AL book and wasn't impressed. Now MP hmm yeah I pissed about that one. He's guilty and will probably walk!

Please, can you list the coincidences that are incriminating? List only the things that are backed up with facts. Circumstantial evidence must be fact based. For example, seeing JY on a camera purchasing gas in different clothing at 5:30AM is CE that can be used to infer guilt. However, eyewitness testimony by one person who incorrectly described the appearance of the accused with no camera footage or receipt or corroborating witness to back it up does not count because it's not verified/fact based evidence.

The camera is CE IF his fingerprints are on it or his face is seen in front of the camera just before it is unplugged...etc.

 

[sunshine05]

Those of you that wanted NG believe there was too much doubt and you believe that you have been objective. Madeleine believes there is no doubt of guilt yet you question her objectivity? Agreed - total loss all around. There are never winners and losers in the harsh game of life which we all endure. Everything cuts both ways. IMO, I think he is guilty and he is where he should be. Does a retrial bother me? No. Do I feel for both families having to undergo another trial? Absolutely.

But we're discussing proof of guilt here. Where is the proof? It's absent. The jury even said "absence of evidence"...

 

[JusticeFever]

Quickly as possible? :floorlaugh:

Murder Nov 2006
Indictment/arrest Dec 2009

Over 3 years. If that's a rush to judgement I'd like to see what amount of time would have to elapse to be considered slow.

LE zeroed in on Jason from the very beginning, search warrants galore. Seems like they didn't have quite enough for an arrest though and Gracie would not hold up under a tough cross. So, they waited for the civil hearing ruling and then made their move. One has nothing to do with the other. A charge of rush to judgement, can still be made even though the actual arrest took years. They only built their case around one person, maybe that was a mistake.

 

[JusticeFever]

Interesting though that Ryan, Heather and all other former friends of JY gave up on him by the time the case came to trial.

Heather is Jason's sister and she never gave up on him.....what does this mean?

 

[sunshine05]

Quickly as possible? :floorlaugh:

Murder Nov 2006
Indictment/arrest Dec 2009

Over 3 years. If that's a rush to judgement I'd like to see what amount of time would have to elapse to be considered slow.

It was a rush to judgement...not a rush to prosecution. They made up their minds that he was guilty immediately and then worked every angle to make it fit.

 

[JusticeFever]

Those of you that wanted NG believe there was too much doubt and you believe that you have been objective. Madeleine believes there is no doubt of guilt yet you question her objectivity? Agreed - total loss all around. There are never winners and losers in the harsh game of life which we all endure. Everything cuts both ways. IMO, I think he is guilty and he is where he should be. Does a retrial bother me? No. Do I feel for both families having to undergo another trial? Absolutely.

Yes, but there is no need for the rudeness in certain posts by certain people. We should be able to discuss the pros and cons of a case without these extra little comments or remarks like we don't have a right to want more evidence or that we share certain doubts.
There are always going to be questions we will never know the answers to. In every case.

 

[Madeleine74]

It was a rush to judgement...not a rush to prosecution. They made up their minds that he was guilty immediately and then worked every angle to make it fit.

Including the SW where they opined a different scenario because MF's keys were found on MY's car? Did you count that angle too? That particular one was not about JY.

 

[Madeleine74]

Those of you that wanted NG believe there was too much doubt and you believe that you have been objective. Madeleine believes there is no doubt of guilt yet you question her objectivity? Agreed - total loss all around. There are never winners and losers in the harsh game of life which we all endure. Everything cuts both ways. IMO, I think he is guilty and he is where he should be. Does a retrial bother me? No. Do I feel for both families having to undergo another trial? Absolutely.

Actually to be precise, I believe guilt was proved by the state beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond ALL doubt. The totality of the case and the evidence presented is what I used to decide for myself. I don't think this is a perfect case with everything wrapped up in a bow, far from it. It would be so nice if it was that way, but it's not. Evidence has to be weighed and considered. It's not a slam dunk type of case. If it were there'd be a video of the murder and a confession by the perp. So there's always some doubt because 100% of a crime cannot be known. The test is, as always, BARD (beyond a reasonable doubt).

 

[JusticeFever]

It was a rush to judgement...not a rush to prosecution. They made up their minds that he was guilty immediately and then worked every angle to make it fit.

That they did, and they had to go through 2 trials to get their conviction, and now even that conviction has been overturned.. so, really, where are we?

 

[jova33]

Including the SW where they opined a different scenario because MF's keys were found on MY's car? Did you count that angle too? That particular one was not about JY.

That came, what, 8 months after the murder??

Also, no one can explain the gas mileage. If someone could explain how he drove that far on so little gas, maybe I'd be able to say there is a possibility he did it.

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[Boodles]

Interesting though that Ryan, Heather and all other former friends of JY gave up on him by the time the case came to trial.

The only one I'm not sure about is Ryan Schaad. He has been invisible to the public during the entire time, to my knowledge, although I wondered if he may have been in court one day in the gallery. He's the (ex?) BFF who did not testify for either side, who knows why? He's the guy who suggested JY should call a lawyer b/c LE was asking he and Josh Q's about JY's marriage. And their entire clique knew things were rocky and volatile.

I don't know what RS's relationship with JY is presently.

 

[Boodles]

Yes police dramas on tv. Where there is always DNA left behind and the crime is solved in one hour. Did you know that almost all cases mainly have CE? This case is full of it and it all leads back to JY. How many coincidences can there be on the night his wife is murdered? He is so unlucky. He lived in a city with "corrupt" LEO, lawyers, judges and ME. Poor JY. Everyone's lying and fabricating evidence. He is the only one being truthful. Poor JY. As a tax payer of NC I don't mind paying for this trial. He will be convicted again. As for BC trial. Don't know I read AL book and wasn't impressed. Now MP hmm yeah I pissed about that one. He's guilty and will probably walk!

Sadly, as posted earlier, some request "show me a video" (or other direct evidence) and I'll be convinced he's guilty. And sadly, premeditated murderers do their best to avoid being videotaped and/or leave direct evidence. Because they plan. It's a quandary. There should be a test to see whether potential jurors can accept and assimilate circumstantial evidence before serving on a jury. But for the public at large, we all have different points of view about evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

The only one I'm not sure about is Ryan Schaad. He has been invisible to the public during the entire time, to my knowledge, although I wondered if he may have been in court one day in the gallery. He's the (ex?) BFF who did not testify for either side, who knows why? He's the guy who suggested JY should call a lawyer b/c LE was asking him and Josh Q's about JY's arriage. And their entire clique knew things were rocky and volatile.

I don't know what RS's relationship with JY is presently.

Why is Ryan Schaad being discussed? His wife testified, afaik, he did not. I don't know if the media ever mentioned his name. He's allowed to be invisible to the public, isn't he? It is unknown what friends have continued to be friends with Jason but I'm betting quite a few also held the opinion he did not receive a fair trial and will be in solid support the next time around.

JMO

 

[jova33]

Sadly, as posted earlier, some request "show me a video" (or other direct evidence) and I'll be convinced he's guilty. And sadly, premeditated murderers do their best to avoid being videotaped and/or leave direct evidence. Because they plan. It's a quandary. There should be a test to see whether potential jurors can accept and assimilate circumstantial evidence before serving on a jury. But for the public at large, we all have different points of view about evidence.

The thing is, most CE against JY isn't even connected to JY.

The camera at the hotel had someone else's fingerprints.

The gas station attendant couldn't even properly describe JY even after being shown his picture. Speaking of, the fuel millage hasn't even been resolved.

The medicine that was possibly given to CY, that JY had knowledge of... And one of the side effects was hyperactivity in small children. That's not the right drug to use if you're trying to knock a small child out.

There's a ton of CE, but very little that can be attributed to JY.

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[otto]

Did MF even talk to JY that afternoon? To my recollection there was no phone call between them. He refused to speak to anyone. He wouldn't take calls. Where is this "MF was filling him in on the details" coming from? At the point he got to the house he also would not speak to anyone. Testimony is that he went and laid down with his daughter in a back bedroom at MF's house and wouldn't come out. He finally did after most everyone left to go to the sheriff's dept. At that point he was alone with his mother in law and he did make a couple comments to her.

Meredith contacted Jason and told him to go to her house because his house was a crime scene.

 

[tarheellvr]

Those of you that wanted NG believe there was too much doubt and you believe that you have been objective. Madeleine believes there is no doubt of guilt yet you question her objectivity? Agreed - total loss all around. There are never winners and losers in the harsh game of life which we all endure. Everything cuts both ways. IMO, I think he is guilty and he is where he should be. Does a retrial bother me? No. Do I feel for both families having to undergo another trial? Absolutely.

The only family I am sorry have to endure this are Michelle's family. The Young family showed their true colors from day one. The've protected JY and I will even go so far as to say I believe they would say "anything" to help his case.

These are the people who kept Cassidy from her Aunt and Grandmother......why??? They hurt this child psychologically and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. Feel sorry for them? HELL NO!!!