"Jersey" and MW #2

[vlpate]

Based on what? and how is this pertinent to JT and MW?

Based on my opinion.

As for my comment being pertinent, I was replying to a line of OT comments - sometimes you just get sucked in :innocent:

Quote:
Originally Posted by twall
I believe it was because SB had previously babysat Lisa. JMO

To which I commented

I think he ran over and said, "is it handled? Is it safe to call 911?" JMO

 

[stilettos]

So you think Steve Young of KCPD is being disingenious? Not being truthful? One of the few definitive things he has said in recent days is that KCPD has looked into Jersey and "moved on." I don't expect them to tell me that alibi or evidence but I do expect them to be honest when making direct seemingly unequivocal statements. They didn't say no comment. They said he has been looked into and they have "moved on."

I have no idea about MW. She baffles me and mystifies me. I do know that John Karr claimed he killed JonBenet Ramsey when he did not.

I just think it's more likely at this point that one of the other six people who had access to the phone is involved than Jersey. But that's because I am taking Capt. Young at his word. And why shouldn't I?

I can see why Jersey might be suspecting of burglarizing baby Lisa's home or her parents' vehicle. But steal a baby? Kill a baby? I know all too well that burglars kill but it's usually adults and they usually leave a body behind and not spirit away 10-month-old babies. And how on earth did someone who has a history of getting caught (why he's in jail now) managing to abduct and hide a baby so well that dozens of FBI and KCPD investigators can't figure it out?

Respectfully. JMO, "moved on" and "ruled out as a suspect" are two totally different meanings in teh English language. IMO, one is more definative than the other.

 

[cowtowner]

For me, it's his record, his association with MW, and the fact that forever he has listed 3718 N. Lister as his address. Seriously, there are not that many coincidences in the real world.

Agreed. The coincidences are too conspicuous for me to ignore also:

What are the odds that a call from a stolen cell phone goes to a phone just a few minutes walk away from the abduction site? If the call was made to some South KC cellphone or business I'd call that somewhat random. A call to a phone whose owner lives MINUTES away, by FOOT? Too coincidental. Now we have a known recidivist firebug in the are connected with the woman whose phone was dialed by the stolen phone?

We're beyond coincidence here.

There's a lot of money at stake, and there are a lot of players who could use it.

This is a great point. The reward for information is pretty high. For these folks it's a really big sum of money.

If I were investigating, I'd give them as much line as they needed to hang themselves.

 

[DeAnn]

I don't think Jersey took Lisa, but I can't help but think he is connected - well he is connected by MW.
Facts
He gives his address at a house 2 minutes walking distance from the <modsnip>.
He's been incarcerated for arson in NJ - there was a dumpster fire (not sure of the time, but significant)
He dated MW whose phone recieved a call from one of the missing <modsnip> phones
He was seen in the neighborhood that day
He's in jail for tampering with a car - JI's car had been broken into
Conjecture on my part
He was a handyman in the neighborhood and there's a good chance he's asked the <modsnip> if they needed anything done

LE may have "moved on", but I just can't yet.

I do know the probable cause in the tampering case has been looked into by the media and it has nothing to do with the Irwin or Bradley family.

 

[vlpate]

I took a class around 30 years ago involving law enforcement. The teacher said at that time the youngest known sexually abused child was 1 hour old. I imagine someone has beat that record in these 30 years. It happens to babies more than we would want to know.

Yes, it does. It happens to babies at an alarming rate and alarming severity. The worst I've reported on was a 3 month old that was passed around by three men and the baby eventually died. The mother was present. Unfortunately, this is usually the case, the molesters are known to the victim. The baby is convenient. I don't even know of a case where a stranger abducted a baby from it's bed to sexually molest it. I could be wrong, but it's certainly not at all common.

A pedophile would have taken the boys.

 

[natsound]

A big payback with what? Money? Or?

YES!

(I really don't know, but it's possible. He's a low-life, she likes to party and has bills to pay...)

 

[DeAnn]

There's probably a history with DB and Jersey that we're not privy to yet. I wonder if DB promised a big payback for Jersey if he helped her out in this situation. IF Jersey is involved, I lean toward this being premeditated. I don't think she'd call him in a pinch in the wee hours of the morning to help hide a baby's body, and he just accepted. Plus, we have the phone number written on DB's hand (is this just a rumor or is is there reason to believe it's true?)

Are you basing this probability of a history between DB and Jersey on gut or something more substantial? And if there was any shred of history between DB and Jersey, would KCPD have "moved on?"

Jersey got involved in this case three weeks ago today. If there were any history, wouldn't it have been sniffed out by now?

And Cyndy Short ruled out the telephone number to CNN's Jim Spellman. So that's not true.

 

[RANCH]

So you think Steve Young of KCPD is being disingenious? Not being truthful? One of the few definitive things he has said in recent days is that KCPD has looked into Jersey and "moved on." I don't expect them to tell me that alibi or evidence but I do expect them to be honest when making direct seemingly unequivocal statements. They didn't say no comment. They said he has been looked into and they have "moved on."

I have no idea about MW. She baffles me and mystifies me. I do know that John Karr claimed he killed JonBenet Ramsey when he did not.

I just think it's more likely at this point that one of the other six people who had access to the phone is involved than Jersey. But that's because I am taking Capt. Young at his word. And why shouldn't I?

I can see why Jersey might be suspecting of burglarizing baby Lisa's home or her parents' vehicle. But steal a baby? Kill a baby? I know all too well that burglars kill but it's usually adults and they usually leave a body behind and not spirit away 10-month-old babies. And how on earth did someone who has a history of getting caught (why he's in jail now) managing to abduct and hide a baby so well that dozens of FBI and KCPD investigators can't figure it out?

I'm curious to what "moved on" really means. Does it mean LE is moving on to people connected to Jersey? Or maybe their saying that the investigation is still moving? The term "cleared of any wrong doing" would have put this one to bed. LE left things open a bit in my opinion.

 

[DeAnn]

Agreed. The coincidences are too conspicuous for me to ignore also:

What are the odds that a call from a stolen cell phone goes to a phone just a few minutes walk away from the abduction site? If the call was made to some South KC cellphone or business I'd call that somewhat random. A call to a phone whose owner lives MINUTES away, by FOOT? Too coincidental. Now we have a known recidivist firebug in the are connected with the woman whose phone was dialed by the stolen phone?

We're beyond coincidence here.




This is a great point. The reward for information is pretty high. For these folks it's a really big sum of money.

If I were investigating, I'd give them as much line as they needed to hang themselves.

By Megan's own admission, six other people (eight people including her and Jersey) had access to that phone. I'm much more likely to believe at this point that one of those six knows DB than Jersey. And if DB is being calculated enough to offer money or whatever to someone to help cover up the death of a child, wouldn't contacting a relative make more sense than calling a cell phone used by eight people?! Isn't she taking a big chance by calling a phone used by eight people rather than calling a cell phone that she knows just a single person she trusts will answer?

Why are the other six not getting scrutiny? Why are you ruling them out?

 

[natsound]

Are you basing this probability of a history between DB and Jersey on gut or something more substantial? And if there was any shred of history between DB and Jersey, would KCPD have "moved on?"

Jersey got involved in this case three weeks ago today. If there were any history, wouldn't it have been sniffed out by now?

And Cyndy Short ruled out the telephone number to CNN's Jim Spellman. So that's not true.

I'm basing my suspicion on the fact that he did once live across the street from DB, and one of the Irwin phones dialed his former girlfriend's number the night before the abduction, and seemingly the former girlfriend does not know DB.

I'm in the camp that believes "moved on" is symantics. They've never used the word "cleared", and that could be key here.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

And I'd bet a nice dinner that the baby was assaulted by a family member, not the neighborhood drifter. It is very rare for a child to be abducted by a stranger.

And on top of what the stats on stranger abduction tells us is this:

How in the world would a stranger get through this neighbourhood undetected and leaving no evidence at the house with how many people/witnesses and how much activity seemingly went on that evening?

The perp in this case is almost certainly from within that neighbourhood in MOO. And possibly much closer to home.....

 

[Donjeta]

I cannot get past the alleged phone call(s?), there's got to be an explanation for them IMO, and it's hard to let go without having one.

My simplest theory is that someone with access to that phone sells illegal drugs and someone in the Bradley/Irwin home that night wanted some. It would explain why no one wants to fess up to that call.

I don't see JT and MW as accomplices in hiding the body unless LE has been establish some kind of close prior connection between DB or SB and them. You would IMO have to be pretty good friends to get the courage to ask for such a favor.

 

[natsound]

I don't expect them to tell me that alibi or evidence but I do expect them to be honest when making direct seemingly unequivocal statements. They didn't say no comment. They said he has been looked into and they have "moved on."

If LE wants to lead the media, and you and I, in the wrong direction to maintain the integrity of their investigation, I'm fine with that. We're not important, the investigation is.

 

[vlpate]

There's probably a history with DB and Jersey that we're not privy to yet. I wonder if DB promised a big payback for Jersey if he helped her out in this situation. IF Jersey is involved, I lean toward this being premeditated. I don't think she'd call him in a pinch in the wee hours of the morning to help hide a baby's body, and he just accepted. Plus, we have the phone number written on DB's hand (is this just a rumor or is is there reason to believe it's true?)

Someone posted the hand number was not true....verified through C. Short. So....

JT was in prison for Tamper/Retaliate With Witness/Informant. The only way I could see someone retaliating against a witness with no money, is to take something precious to them, like a baby. I don't know how this would fit or what the Bradwins would have on him though.

 

[vlpate]

By Megan's own admission, six other people (eight people including her and Jersey) had access to that phone. I'm much more likely to believe at this point that one of those six knows DB than Jersey. And if DB is being calculated enough to offer money or whatever to someone to help cover up the death of a child, wouldn't contacting a relative make more sense than calling a cell phone used by eight people?! Isn't she taking a big chance by calling a phone used by eight people rather than calling a cell phone that she knows just a single person she trusts will answer?

Why are the other six not getting scrutiny? Why are you ruling them out?

I think the 8:30 call was for drugs....and I think Jersey or MW might know where they can be found since she admitted to meth use. When people want drugs, and there are drug users within sniffing distance, they find the user and ask for a hook-up. This is just my opinion....and I think that's the connection....drugs. So, maybe he's not involved in Lisa's disappearance, and I don't think he is, but, IMO, he's involved in some remote way.

 

[DeAnn]

If LE wants to lead the media, and you and I, in the wrong direction to maintain the integrity of their investigation, I'm fine with that. We're not important, the investigation is.

Debbie Bradley is not speaking with KCPD or the FBI. Her attorney has not allowed second interviews or DNA of Lisa's half brothers to be taken.

But Steve Young says investigators have interviewed Jersey and have "moved on." Young did not say he isn't cooperating or is refusing to answer questions. He said he had been interviewed.

To me, the comment is what it is and is not a Clintonian definition of "moved on." It's not moved on further in the investigation. It is not he remains a person of interest. It is we want to talk to the mother of the baby and Lisa's brothers but the neighborhood drifter has been interviewed and "moved on."

So obviously we will have to agree to disagree on this one and this thread will continue to grow for reasons I don't understand. The question I'm more interested in is whether Samantha Brando has consented to interviews or not with KCPD or FBI and whether KCPD has obtained DNA samples from the biological mother/father of baby Lisa's half brothers.

 

[vlpate]

I cannot get past the alleged phone call(s?), there's got to be an explanation for them IMO, and it's hard to let go without having one.

My simplest theory is that someone with access to that phone sells illegal drugs and someone in the Bradley/Irwin home that night wanted some. It would explain why no one wants to fess up to that call.

I don't see JT and MW as accomplices in hiding the body unless LE has been establish some kind of close prior connection between DB or SB and them. You would IMO have to be pretty good friends to get the courage to ask for such a favor.

I totally agree. I think the rest was ochestrated before that night's party got started and JT/MW were collateral damage.

 

[In da Middle]

I do know the probable cause in the tampering case has been looked into by the media and it has nothing to do with the Irwin or Bradley family.

But I do know for a fact that KCPD was in fact looking for Jersey in regards to tampering in this very neighborhood at the time JI's vehicle was broken into.

 

[In da Middle]

Are you basing this probability of a history between DB and Jersey on gut or something more substantial? And if there was any shred of history between DB and Jersey, would KCPD have "moved on?"

Jersey got involved in this case three weeks ago today. If there were any history, wouldn't it have been sniffed out by now?

And Cyndy Short ruled out the telephone number to CNN's Jim Spellman. So that's not true.

Jersey was being asked about the very next day in regards to this case.

 

[DeAnn]

But I do know for a fact that KCPD was in fact looking for Jersey in regards to tampering in this very neighborhood at the time JI's vehicle was broken into.

Thanks. So he may very well have broken into Jeremy's vehicle. But he's not been charged with that.

So based on this thread and comments, some folks believe Debbie Bradley wanted to buy drugs from someone who may very well have broke into her husband's vehicle???????

And why would Debbie want to buy illegal drugs from MW or Jersey when she's taking prescription drugs (btw, how can she afford prescription drugs but not to pay her cell phone bill?) and drinking a good chunk of a box of cheap wine? Or do are folks here pointing the finger at SB? Which, btw, would be slander/defamation.