I know people keep making references to hunting and fishing, and being a country boy....but do we actually know that JLM was an outdoorsman type. I just don't see him hunting, and fishing....I see him as one who grew up in the country because his family was poor and it was cheap. Not so much as a country loving boy....but maybe I missed something, and you guys can fill me in.
ThinkHard left a few descriptors out, IMO: Drove wildly, amassed traffic violations, also drove wildly through neighborhoods without regard for anyone's safety, pushed himself on women in the presence of other locals, was kicked out of at least two universities, etc.
i think that he did probably travel
he likely had benefactors who helped him travel - at least when he was younger and in college and shortly thereafter
Yes but for years and years what he has been "known" as is, a local kid, who is an assistant football coach at a private school, works at the hospital, hangs out at the bars with friends he's grown up with, maybe not great with women, a little socially awkward, maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed, giant teddy bear.....
So we have to keep in mind this is the lens through which people knew him....and that profile fits someone who would sit around and play pocker with the guys.
I personally do not see him as a highly orchestrated, sadistic, serial killer that some people do. I see him more of a kid with a history of family trouble, who is awkward, and not highly educated, and has major women issues. Possibly rejection....and needing power. I see him as someone who isn't a big planner but knows the area and sort of has gotten lucky. I think he's the type that acts on impulses and urges (ones which seem to spike in the fall). I think the vastness of landscape around Charlottesville has given him plenty of opportunity to carry out his deads, without needing a lot of planning. And I even think he might have a small part of him that is even remorseful after. I don't think he is so twisted, that his intelligence gives him charisma....because he's been reported by many to be awkward. I guess in other words I think its more of an uncontrolled impulse he hides from those who know him, rather then having the capability to fake a completely different personality.
I agree we don't KNOW officially much of anything. But I do believe JLM's main focus is rape, given what we know in his history...I believe rape was the motive for abduction...so with reasonable speculation we can assume she was in fact assaulted. I do not believe murder was his first thought. Though at this point he had to be aware that if he raped her, it would end that way. I also do not think he drove out that far from downtown if he felt like she was just willing to give him what he wanted. I think when she left with him, he knew he was going to take her, new about where, and knew exactly what he was going to do to her. I also do not think he is the type of sexual predator that cares if his victims are active at the time he rapes them.
Something also makes me feel that he did not attack either Morgan or HG in his car.
I don't get the sense he traveled all that much. Just from what we know about him and his family. They don't seem to have had a lot of money and he stayed in Va for both colleges. JMO though.
And I do think he primarily stuck to the Fall for his crimes. Just too many coincidences from the crimes we believe he's connected to. Maybe there were some outliers, but I personally think the Fall football season and the timing of that 02 rape accusation have something to do with his MO. Again, JMO.
I agree we don't KNOW officially much of anything. But I do believe JLM's main focus is rape, given what we know in his history...I believe rape was the motive for abduction...so with reasonable speculation we can assume she was in fact assaulted. I do not believe murder was his first thought. Though at this point he had to be aware that if he raped her, it would end that way. I also do not think he drove out that far from downtown if he felt like she was just willing to give him what he wanted. I think when she left with him, he knew he was going to take her, new about where, and knew exactly what he was going to do to her. I also do not think he is the type of sexual predator that cares if his victims are active at the time he rapes them.
Something also makes me feel that he did not attack either Morgan or HG in his car.
Yes but for years and years what he has been "known" as is, a local kid, who is an assistant football coach at a private school, works at the hospital, hangs out at the bars with friends he's grown up with, maybe not great with women, a little socially awkward, maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed, giant teddy bear.....
So we have to keep in mind this is the lens through which people knew him....and that profile fits someone who would sit around and play pocker with the guys.
I personally do not see him as a highly orchestrated, sadistic, serial killer that some people do. I see him more of a kid with a history of family trouble, who is awkward, and not highly educated, and has major women issues. Possibly rejection....and needing power. I see him as someone who isn't a big planner but knows the area and sort of has gotten lucky. I think he's the type that acts on impulses and urges (ones which seem to spike in the fall). I think the vastness of landscape around Charlottesville has given him plenty of opportunity to carry out his deads, without needing a lot of planning. And I even think he might have a small part of him that is even remorseful after. I don't think he is so twisted, that his intelligence gives him charisma....because he's been reported by many to be awkward. I guess in other words I think its more of an uncontrolled impulse he hides from those who know him, rather then having the capability to fake a completely different personality.
I get what you are saying. And though I would not characterize any 32 year old as a kid, I can see doing so, as a parent to some 30 somethings, whom I so regard along with their friends that I've known for years, since they were actually kids.
The thing is, there are a lot of awkward, non academic young people with low paying jobs, who have had to settle into adulthood for a lot less than expectations held during the school days. JM is better educated than most, having graduated from high school, gone to college and spent time with well educated peers, employers (UVA MC), and friends. This is not some one warming his hands over a fire in a trash can in the winter. He had a SO until a few months ago, and she was reportedly relatively long term too. He well knows the social rules that are followed by mainstream society, and when he had gone astray as a young man at two, TWO, not one, but two colleges, he was expelled even as a football player. If he could not "get it" from those incidents, that pushing beyond "no" is a taboo, there is something very wrong with him. From interviews, we've read that he had been admonished about hitting on women at a bar. He's had all of the warnings.
That he would do something so direct as that 2005 Fairfax rape, IMO, IDs him as a violet sex offender. He would just pick a random victim on her way to some unassociated activity, attack and rape her, No hoping she'd come along with him, that maybe she'd agree, that it would be a pick up. Nope. Jump her, punch her, try to strangle her as he rapes her. THat was the case that I had thought did not fit with his MO. With the other cases, though still inexcusable and IMO rape/murder, one can see a possible "pick up artist" on drugs or alcohol, luring a woman along and then going to far when things don't go as planned. Might have done this a number of times and found some women agreeable to go along even to encourage him in that direction. But the Fairfax rape case shows that he is an outright predator who has no compunction just going straight out into attack mode.
When I saw the videotape from the Downtown Mall, when JLM walked into the frame. I'm not at all generally a person who follows crimes or does sleuthing, but this . . . . .It was something visceral. It was way back at the start, before LE had identified the dreadlocks dude as a person of interest. . . . I saw him and felt that bad feeling and thought, "OH MY GOD, it's HIM! UGH, HORRORS, YUCK, it's HIM!"
Paulap, I assume you and hopefully your nephew are in touch with LE, but I'd ask that you talk to them, particularly about this, if you haven't, especially if you're aware of any particular dates or locations. I know this must be incredibly difficult for you, but the more information they have, the better off everyone will be and the better chance justice will be served for everyone and people can be made more safe in the future. Check out the "other possible victims" thread, too.
Thanks for still being here. I wish I could wrap my arms around you guys, as I can't imagine the pain and shock and grief you're experiencing, no matter how this all turns out.
I would have said the same thing about not really thinking he'd stray far from Charlottesville -- just a feeling I got given all his ties to the area, the fact that he had family mostly there and in the DC area, etc... but then he took off for Galveston, TX, which changed my attitude and made me wonder if he'd traveled more than I had previously thought. For one, he was on a football team in college (albeit briefly) and they travel for games, and we've had an insider here who posted saying that LJ's friends had all moved away (one to California). So maybe he got out of the Charlottesville area more than one would think.
I get what you are saying. And though I would not characterize any 32 year old as a kid, I can see doing so, as a parent to some 30 somethings, whom I so regard along with their friends that I've known for years, since they were actually kids.
The thing is, there are a lot of awkward, non academic young people with low paying jobs, who have had to settle into adulthood for a lot less than expectations held during the school days. JM is better educated than most, having graduated from high school, gone to college and spent time with well educated peers, employers (UVA MC), and friends. This is not some one warming his hands over a fire in a trash can in the winter. He had a SO until a few months ago, and she was reportedly relatively long term too. He well knows the social rules that are followed by mainstream society, and when he had gone astray as a young man at two, TWO, not one, but two colleges, he was expelled even as a football player. If he could not "get it" from those incidents, that pushing beyond "no" is a taboo, there is something very wrong with him. From interviews, we've read that he had been admonished about hitting on women at a bar. He's had all of the warnings.
That he would do something so direct as that 2005 Fairfax rape, IMO, IDs him as a violet sex offender. He would just pick a random victim on her way to some unassociated activity, attack and rape her, No hoping she'd come along with him, that maybe she'd agree, that it would be a pick up. Nope. Jump her, punch her, try to strangle her as he rapes her. THat was the case that I had thought did not fit with his MO. With the other cases, though still inexcusable and IMO rape/murder, one can see a possible "pick up artist" on drugs or alcohol, luring a woman along and then going to far when things don't go as planned. Might have done this a number of times and found some women agreeable to go along even to encourage him in that direction. But the Fairfax rape case shows that he is an outright predator who has no compunction just going straight out into attack mode.
Yes he goes right into attack mode, when he gets an overwhelming impulse.
Regarding the comments on how lots of kids have it so much worse....the thing is even two kids in the same home do not grow up the same way. No two people react to there set of circumstances even similar circumstances the same way. Some kids it just seems are like weeds and you can change their setting, and they just keep growing strong, and some kids are like orchids, delicate, far more susceptible to the effects of their environment.
I'm certainly not saying JLM wasnt suffering mentally, I think that's clear. But I see his violence as sloppy, bull like, impulse driven. I do not see him as so neuro atypical, or so highly intelligent that he walks that fine line btw genius and insanity. I do not see him as being that methodical. JMO
i am going to jump in here and opine for a minute
though lj's home life may have been less than desirable, his mom is a good woman
and i know there were those in the community who went out of their to help him
so for me, it's nice to say that it's due to environment but i think that is sheer speculation and really will never be known