Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #37 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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Thete are two pieces of Jodi testimony that I want to read side by side: the part where she explains why she went back into the house for the angel gift that she left behind ABD the part where she left the drawing gift behind.

I think she used the real fight about the drawing as the basis for her lie about why she went back into the house and caught him masturbating. I think that Nurmi was just looking for more to talk about and he jept picking at her to elaborate on the " left the drawing behind" story. You could see her putting on the breaks in her head 'cause she knew they were in iffy territory.

Each lie is based on a little bit of fact. She was shooting daggers at Nurmi because he was so far off script. He was stalling. They were both lost.

I believe Nurmi is a very poor probably inexperienced trial lawyer. That makes sense since he is being paid by the state of AZ. The articulation of picayunish mostly irrelevant details does nothing for his case. The monotonous predictable cadence and all of Nurmi’s annoying court room tics are “off putting” to audience and probably to the jury. Nurmi has trouble formulating intelligible coherent sentences. The line of reasoning that Nurmi extracts from the JA testimony is confusing and jumbled. Indeed JA appears smarter and more savvy than does her lawyer.

That said however, we must remember that JA is cunning and has had 4 years thinking about this case. She has carefully read a great deal about “battered woman’s syndrome”. JA is careful that her answers fit nicely into this category. As I understand it, her first set of lawyers quit or were fired. Then JA attempted to be her own council until she hit the wall. I believe JA is the one responsible for orchestrating the “battered woman” defense and that Nurmi has been playing catch up over the past year or so.
 
Holy ship I see it! I had the wrong photo! Eghads!

If somebody can see JA reflection, can you post the pic with an outline or something marking where you see specific things. I don't see any of this , but am open to check out what others are seeing. TIA
 
I have to look at ALL texts and emails sent from Travis to Jodi with great speculation, including anything she "said" to friends that he said, did, or wrote.

She had his logon info early on. Although things were decent between them at first (I mean first weeks as this was not a real relationship in my eyes, it lasted "months" not years) From the time it soured and some of these e-mail where he calls her names in them, SHE could have written those herself.

I don't know who was writing in his e-mail accounts, facebook or text..

She was flirting with this "Ryan" heavily and she may have created these to show Ryan so he would fall for her crap next
 
I really thought it was creepy when she was talking about the Alanis Morissette song "You oughta know".

She also mentioned "Hurt" by NIN. Those lyrics are equally as creepy!

"Hurt"


I hurt myself today
To see if I still feel
I focus on the pain
The only thing that's real
The needle tears a hole
The old familiar sting
Try to kill it all away
But I remember everything

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

I wear this crown of *****
Upon my liar's chair
Full of broken thoughts
I cannot repair
Beneath the stains of time
The feelings disappear
You are someone else
I am still right here

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end

You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep myself
I would find a way

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/nineinchnails/hurt.html
 
Wait, wait I finally see....you have to get a piece of aluminum foil, place it on your head and angle it 32 degrees upward and to the north...

Jodi is dressed in a French maids outfit!

Everytime I see snoopy1 picture I've tried seeing the soap and bubbles. Thus far its still an eye to me and freaks me out. :fence:
 
Not to mention the smell. The detective report states that the moment he opened the front door he could smell decomp. I too wonder what the heck was wrong with those people's sinuses that they could not smell a 5 day old decomposing body???? WTH

Without going into detail, I was in a situation where I entered and approached an area of a house where something "dead" was. A/C was on, and there was not much odor until the "body" was moved. Then I nearly fainted..seriously. wow
 
Does JA have to testify about the attack and the actual murder? She admitted killing him. Her testimony thus far has in her mind, painted a picture of abuse she suffered from TA. (IMO NOT). Could the defense just be painting the picture that he attacked her in all probability, and the jury to be left to draw conclusions? If she does not testify to the events of the murder, can Juan cross her on that?

that's the entire reason she took the stand. she can't claim self defense and then just not testify about the actual murder----all this other BS has been to 'humanize' her to the jury (huge fail, IMO) and set up the grand finale. she'll get there....someday.
 
If the email addressed to and sent to Abe Abdelhadi actually existed, why didn't the defense use that one as the piece of evidence up on the screen? JM didn't ask that question (maybe because it would have been beyond voir dire to do so.) It was good that he was able to point out the fact that this message was addressed to Travis' gmail in the To: field. Now the jury only has Jodi's word that the story she told about the reason for writing this message is the truth. They must know by now that she's fabulating a large portion of her testimony.

OMG mollyf...I just noticed your avatar pic...:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
 
QUOTE=katiecoolady;8868480]So she will try and explain that by....um...denial?

"Isn't it true you knew Travis was dead when you eft this message? And that is true because you'd killed him, right? And isn't it true you were trying to cover up that you'd even been to Mesa? And isn't it true that you never mentioned anything about having been to Mesa much less killing Travis to anyone you went to see in Utah? And isn't it true you lied to detectives for months telling them you were never there?" Etc etc etc[/QUOTE]

Aaahhh I can't wait!!! It's going to be awesome!! :rocker:
 
I believe Nurmi is a very poor probably inexperienced trial lawyer. That makes sense since he is being paid by the state of AZ. The articulation of picayunish mostly irrelevant details does nothing for his case. The monotonous predictable cadence and all of Nurmi’s annoying court room tics are “off putting” to audience and probably to the jury. Nurmi has trouble formulating intelligible coherent sentences. The line of reasoning that Nurmi extracts from the JA testimony is confusing and jumbled. Indeed JA appears smarter and more savvy than does her lawyer.

That said however, we must remember that JA is cunning and has had 4 years thinking about this case. She has carefully read a great deal about “battered woman’s syndrome”. JA is careful that her answers fit nicely into this category. As I understand it, her first set of lawyers quit or were fired. Then JA attempted to be her own council until she hit the wall. I believe JA is the one responsible for orchestrating the “battered woman” defense and that Nurmi has been playing catch up over the past year or so.

I believe Nurmi has been on the case from the beginning, there was another attorney, Victoria Washington (???) who quit after Arias wanted to represent herself, then changed her mind. Nurmi was there with Washington, so Wilmot has had to play catch up.
 
"Hey! What's going on? It's almost midnight -- uh, anyway it's about the time you're starting to gear up. . . I know Leslie called you. So, I already talked to her so, uh -- you can call her back if you want but it's not necessary. Um . . . My phone died so I wasn't getting back to anybody. What else, um . . . I drove one hundred miles in the wrong direction -- over a hundred miles, thank you very much! So yeah. Remember New Mexico? It was a lot like that, only you weren't here to prevent me from going into the three digits, so -- fun, fun! I'll tell you all about that later. Um. Also --we were talking about -- um, when we were talking about your upcoming travels my way I was looking at the May calendar. Duh. So I'm a little confused. Um -- But Heather and I are going to see Othello on July first and we would love for you to come -- to accompany us. Um, I don't know when the Crater Lake event is though, but it's on the way, so we could do Shakespeare, Crater Lake and the coast. So . . . If you can make it. If not, we'll just do the coast and uh Crater Lake. But um, let me know -- and I will talk to you soon! Bye!"

How totally disgusting, though so typical for JA. I haven't seen all of the trial, has this been played for the jury yet? TIA :)
 
The voice mail Arias left Travis hours after she killed him:

"Hey! What's going on? It's almost midnight -- uh, anyway it's about the time you're starting to gear up. . . I know Leslie called you. So, I already talked to her so, uh -- you can call her back if you want but it's not necessary. Um . . . My phone died so I wasn't getting back to anybody. What else, um . . . I drove one hundred miles in the wrong direction -- over a hundred miles, thank you very much! So yeah. Remember New Mexico? It was a lot like that, only you weren't here to prevent me from going into the three digits, so -- fun, fun! I'll tell you all about that later. Um. Also --we were talking about -- um, when we were talking about your upcoming travels my way I was looking at the May calendar. Duh. So I'm a little confused. Um -- But Heather and I are going to see Othello on July first and we would love for you to come -- to accompany us. Um, I don't know when the Crater Lake event is though, but it's on the way, so we could do Shakespeare, Crater Lake and the coast. So . . . If you can make it. If not, we'll just do the coast and uh Crater Lake. But um, let me know -- and I will talk to you soon! Bye!"

she tried her hardest to make an alibi. she sounds nervous with all of the uh' and um's. I hope Juan plays this too.
 
Without going into detail, I was in a situation where I entered and approached an area of a house where something "dead" was. A/C was on, and there was not much odor until the "body" was moved. Then I nearly fainted..seriously. wow

But even Mimi testified that as soon as they walked into the house they noticed a smell, but thought the dog had "made a mess" or something. So the smell was throughout the house.

If I were any of the roommates who slept in that house during those 5 days, I would not be the same. Sleeping in the house with your dead roommates body just feet away for 5 days??? No sir.....I think I'd need some help after that.
 
I believe Nurmi is a very poor probably inexperienced trial lawyer. That makes sense since he is being paid by the state of AZ. The articulation of picayunish mostly irrelevant details does nothing for his case. The monotonous predictable cadence and all of Nurmi’s annoying court room tics are “off putting” to audience and probably to the jury. Nurmi has trouble formulating intelligible coherent sentences. The line of reasoning that Nurmi extracts from the JA testimony is confusing and jumbled. Indeed JA appears smarter and more savvy than does her lawyer.

Unfortunately, everyone thought Casey Anthony's lawyer was also a fool.
 
BBM

Strongly agree!

Duping delight. She is internally thrilled when she is able to fool someone with her lies. A potent ego motivator for pathological liars, and those with personality disorders. We are all "stoopid" for accepting/ listening to her lies, and she cannot conceal her leaks of delight and disdain. (That's partly, imo, why she was so angry and upset before the sex tape was played in open court. Loss of control of HER secret piece of evidence she delighted in capturing.)

Getting away with lying is a big ego stroke for these liars. It reinforces to them that they really ARE superior and smarter than their pathetic and vulnerable audience.

What I have observed of Jodi on the witness stand is that she vacillates between acting her part earnestly, and leaking signs of duping delight (smirks, overt flirtatiousness, smiles, etc.)

I imagine Jodi thought the sex tape would make it appear as if she were the victim and I'm sure JM pointed out to defense while they were in chambers with the judge that playing the tape, while it gives a good picture of their relationship also shows Jodi to be the one in control. The State's case on a silver platter, IMI.

jmo
 
I have to look at ALL texts and emails sent from Travis to Jodi with great speculation, including anything she "said" to friends that he said, did, or wrote.


I understand the felling of wanting to think that she made these backhanded compliments to herself but that is very doubtful IMHO


Here is why, take the one on May 1st 2008 about increasing the hotness of Yreka by her presence.

That was made over one month prior to his death, if she made it he would have known instantly by email that someone logged in to his account from another computer, if she did it through his, he still would have seen the comment...most likely
 
I've just started reading more but the roommate thing really is strange to me. He was dead in that house for 5 days and no one had a weird feeling that something was off?!? I worked in a nursing home for years and especially at night if someone passed there was this feeling in the air that I can't explain.

Ahh, yes, but it was a nursing home where people passing isn't really all that unexpected (sorry if that is harsh). The roommates had no reason to believe TA was dead in his room, they figured he was in Cancun I'm sure.

I don't know why the smell went undetected but I think it was testified to (can't remember).

My Mother was at Hospice the last 6 days of her life. And I say yes you can feel it. And to me there was this destinctive feeling/smell of death in the air.
I would walk the hall sometimes at night. One night went to the other end, only one person down on that end had a strange order/smell. I ask the nurse whats that smell down there. Hadnt smelt it before. She said honey that is death. That man was gone the next morning.

I couldnt understand no one smelt anything in that house, with the body decomposing. :waitasec:
 
I believe Nurmi has been on the case from the beginning, there was another attorney, Victoria Washington (???) who quit after Arias wanted to represent herself, then changed her mind. Nurmi was there with Washington, so Wilmot has had to play catch up.

Defense Counsel Information based on case minutes:

First public defender at arraignment is James Hann. There is a minute entry about the public defender having a possible conflict. The State’s Attorney is Juan Martinez

On 9/19/08 the public defender is Maria L Schaffer as primary.

On 9/19/08 another public defender Judis R Andrews requested an extension of time to challenge the Grand Jury proceedings as they did not have a copy of the Grand Jury transcript.

On 12/18/08 the primary public defender is Maria L Schaffer and the secondary public defender is Gregory T Parzych. Juan M Martinez is still the State’s Attorney.

On 5/22/09 the defendant submitted a request for a change of council.
Additional hearings and status meeting are held without further mention of the change of council.

On 8/10/09 the Court received and reviewed a motion from both public defenders to withdraw from representing the defendant. The Court found sufficient cause to allow them to withdraw and noted that the trial was set for February 2, 2010 so there is adequate time for new counsel to be assigned without putting the trial date in jeopardy.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington and Kirk Nurmi appear as counsel along with Maria Schaffer and Gregory Parzych at an evidentiary hearing. Of interest, this hearing was to determine if there is probable cause to add an Aggravating Factor that will make this a death penalty case. This is where the prosecution presents to the Court that the victim was shot first, then repeatedly stabbed, then stabbed in the heart and finally had throat slit. Detective Flores represents to the court that he spoke with the Medical Examiner Dr. Horne and that this is the sequence of events Dr. Horne gave him.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington (secondary) and Kirk Nurmi (primary) are assigned as new defense counsel.

On 11/3/09 new trial date of 8/16/2010 is set. This is per the request of defense counsel who previously stated they need more time to prepare.

On 6/18/10 the trial date was reset to 8/2/2011.

On 2/25/11 Kirk Nurmi announced to the Court that he is leaving the Public Defender’s Office.

On 3/8/2011 a hearing is held regarding Kirk Nurmi withdrawing as defense consel. Very interesting minutes. Defendant strenuously objected to new counsel and possibility of pushing back trial date. The Court noted that “Once a case is set for trial, counsel may not withdraw except upon motion providing the name and address of another attorney, along with a statement from that attorney stating that he or she has been advised of the trial date and will be prepared for trial. Rule 6.3(c). No such motion or statement has been filed in this case. “ Mr. Nurmi was ordered to continue as the lead defense counsel at the standard public defender hourly rate paid to the primary defense counsel.

On 3/9/2011 Mr. Nurmi submitted a formal motion to withdraw and as hearing on the motion was set for 3/21/2011.

On 3/21/2011 Mr. Nurmi’s motion to withdraw as counsel is denied. At this hearing the State’s request to change the trial date due to a scheduling conflict with State Attorney Juan M Martinez was also denied.

On 3/22/2011 another hearing is held with a second motion to withdraw by Mr. Nurmi. After the hearing on the previous day the Public Defender Office notified Mr. Nurmi that they were withdrawing the mitigation specialist, investigator, and paralegal because the Public Defender Office does not want Mr. Nurmi directing staff when he is no longer an employee. The Court ordered that Mr. Nurmi motion was denied and he was required to remain as the primary counsel and that the Public Defender Office must immediately reassign the personnel to the case.

On 4/4/2011 Mr. Nurmi stated his objection to remaining on the case during a status hearing as he has left the Public Defender Office to go into private practice. The Court found that Mr. Nurmi has an ethical obligation to continue representing the defendant but would begin receiving a reasonable hourly rate of $225.00 as compensation to avoid any financial interests that would place Mr. Nurmi in conflict with his client.

On 8/8/2011 defendant has a hearing on an oral motion she submitted to represent herself. At the end of the hearing this motion is granted but Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington are to remain as advisory counsel, with Victoria Washington as primary. The evidentiary hearing on the purported letters from Travis Alexander alleging he is a pedophile is held with Ms. Arias as defense counsel.

On 8/9/2011 during a normal status conference both Victoria Washington and Kirk Nurmi address the Court as to the roles and responsibility of advisory counsel, and the primary counsel (which is now the defendant). The Court agrees and addresses this with Ms. Arias and asks her if she wishes to remain as her own counsel. She states she will continue as primary counsel.

On 8/15/2011 the evidentiary hearing regarding the “pedophile” letters is completed. The Court orders that the letters are precluded and the defense withdraws them. At the end of this hearing Ms. Arias submits an oral request to withdraw as her own counsel and requests that Mr. Nurmi and Victoria Washington be reinstated as defense counsel. The Court orders Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington to represent the defendant in all further proceedings.

On 9/9/2011 the trial date is reset to 2/21/2012 due to the primary defense witness needing to withdraw because of a health issue. A new witness will need to be retained and allowed time to prepare for the trial.

On 12/22/2011 a hearing was held on a motion from the Public Defender Office to withdraw from this case due to a conflict of interest with Victoria Washington. Motion was allowed but the Public Defender Office will appoint a new second counsel, investigator, mitigation specialist, and paralegal. Victoria Washington is released as counsel.

On 1/3/2012 a hearing was held on a motion to continue trial due to assignment of new counsel. New secondary counsel Jennifer L Willmott was assigned by the Public Defender Office. Defendant agreed and waived the applicable time limit. Trial date was changed to 10/17/2012.

On 3/12/2012 a hearing was held on a defense motion to dismiss the Intent to Seek Death Penalty. Per the motion “At the status conference on January 3, 2012, the Court granted an oral motion by the defense to continue the trial due to the recent appointment of Ms. Willmott. Defendant Arias agreed to the continuance and the exclusion of time. The trial was reset to October 17, 2012. All time was excluded. See minute entry dated January 3, 2012. Defendant now asserts the State’s Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty should be dismissed because, to assure she had effective representation by counsel, Defendant Arias had to agree to the continuance of the trial to October 17, 2012.” The Court denied this motion as the need for competent and prepared counsel trumps her right to a speedy trial. During this hearing the defense also submitted a motion to preclude the State from referring to Travis Alexander as a “victim” during the trial. Specifically, Defendant Arias argues she would be prejudiced by permitting the State and its witnesses to refer to Mr. Alexander as the victim since it is contrary to her claim of self defense. As such, she would be prejudiced. The State responds that the term “victim” is routinely used in criminal cases and does not imply the defendant committed the crime with which she has been charged. Further, the State argues Mr. Alexander was murdered and thus he was a “victim” of a criminal offense as defined by Arizona law. The Court finds the defendant failed to establish she will be prejudiced if Mr. Alexander is referred to as the “victim” in front of the jury during the trial. The State’s evidence will show Mr. Alexander was the victim of a homicide. Apparently, the defendant will argue she acted in self defense and was thus justified in her actions. Regardless, referring to Mr. Alexander as the “victim” during the trial will not unfairly prejudice the defendant.

On 10/30/12 defense submits another request to continue the trial date (there was a previous motion that was granted moving the trial date from 10/17/2012 to 11/19/2012) because they want their own review of a computer hard drive. State objects to the continuation.

On 11/19/2012 motion is granted changing trial date to 12/10/2012.

On 12/4/2012 defense submits another motion for continuation. Motion is denied.

Jury selection begins on 12/10/2012. Final jury is selected and sworn in 12/20/12. Opening statements scheduled to being 1/2/2012.

All court minutes for Jodi Arias
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JOnamesearch.asp?casenumber=CR2008031021

I pulled this from the timeline thread. Nurmi got assigned just before he left the public defender's office and has tried to get off the case multiple times. If I counted right, Nurmi and Wilmott are #'s 6 & 7. JM has been on the case since day 1. I found this whole post very interesting. Trying to have the DP removed, wanting to represent herself, etc. :what:

Edit : BBM all the different names of attorneys
 
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