jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 11TH DAY #57 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[nursebeeme]

folks: KNOCK OFF the personal attacks in here. There is a death penalty thread in the parking lot if you want to RESPECTFULLY debate the topic. There is zero tolerance for snark and personal attacks. This lands at random

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[Hally]

I personally feel she will be found guilty, I can't see anyway around this.

I just hope when the jurors are questioned why? They each answer, I don't know, I can't recall, and I don't remember.

 

[panthera]

For me that would be almost worse than death row! Sista here needs to each every few hours or I can't function!

I'm on the side where I truly believe inmates should be able to have meals - even if it's a crappy meal.

Usually have the equivalent of two meals a day stretched out....."grazing".



Have a good night everyone! :seeya:

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I'm just coming on board since the lunch break, and I gather from a quick review that there was some incident this afternoon where Jodi complained about not getting enough to eat.

I'm going to watch the youtube recordings from the afternoon shortly, but can someone fill me in with Cliff's Notes on the lunch issue? Did she pass out or feel weak on the stand, or refuse to come back to court till she ate? What happened, in a sentence or 2?

Thanks in advance!!

Watch Jodi go at it with Mr Martinez before afternoon break. That may in fact be why her Attorney's had a panic attack and pulled the plug today, using the guise that it was her headache and lack of nutrition..

JODI JODI JODI

 

[Linda7NJ]

The thought of listening to Mr. Nurmi drone on again is not appealing, so I might be relieved I am working! :floorlaugh:

Besides that, Jodi is wearing me down - she is completely exhausting to listen to. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

I fell asleep for yesterday afternoon and today for about an hour when she was on the stand... She literally wipes me out. It's like a giant mind suck.


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[KALI]

The fact is that she admits to killing him.
She showed up with a gun.
Who shows up with a gun for sex?

Murder one. IMO

Wonder if she will show up with bruises tomorrow?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Will someone PM me the referenced meaning of "P@NES"? I can't solve the puzzle.

But I've been to "jazz" clubs, thanks.

I think it's supposed to be penis


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[LambChop]

Today I started to think the prosecutor is going way too far with arguing with her over every little lie. I think the jury knows she's a liar by now and it doesn't really matter what she says. She doesn't legally have to say anything. And she in no way said anything that supports self defense. But... The prosecutor needs to prove premeditation. Why don't he focus on how the gun got there...when/why she colored her hair....where did she park her car since the roommates didn't see it there....did she take the plates off her car. Come on now! Enough of the anal sex! Today felt like a waste of time and a rerun of yesterday!

He is trying to get an answer to impeach her testimony. For Jodi it's a long, drawn out process requiring patience. Once he gets her to answer, JM slaps down the evidence to show her she was not telling the truth. We still have to go through rebuttle with Nurmi yet. If JM does not call her out on the lies now it could be his last chance. She is enough to try anyone's patience and capable of anything, which is exactly what JM wants the jury to know. jmo

 

[katiecoolady]

Maybe this is a good question for the lawyer's thread: what percentage of LWOP sentences are appealed?

(ETA but in answer to your question, I have heard relatives of murder victims say, yes, LWOP is a relief because appeals aren't automatic and aren't usually covered in the media unless they are successful.)

California, at least, has a Public Defender's Office, Appellate Division, that may take such a case. Or the convict can hire an outside attorney, represent himself, or rely on another inmate who has used his prison time to teach himself the law.

As katiecoolady implied, appeals are not heard in front of juries and there isn't the same push to "humanize" the victim by displaying his/her loved ones. So surviving victims really don't have to attend every appeal, at least as I understand it.

You don't have to attend every appeal but you could and some families do. And they do, not to be on "display" but to remind the Court that there was ONE victim in the crime and it's not the person who's sitting in a cell. The whole "victimhood" flips after years on death row and sometimes the crime is no longer even mentioned. The victim's name isn't even uttered in hearings often. Victims families (not mine and not me) often feel the need to keep that reality check front and center for every hearing in the oftentimes hardened legal system.

We were required to attend the last LONG hearing that got one of my sister's killers off Death Row with a mental retardation claim. We were preparing for this hearing and putting plans and trips on hold for at least 5 years as it got delayed and delayed. We were required to testify at this hearing which was like a mini trial itself. The killers were not present, surmised because they might not appear quite "mentally retarded" enough during long court days over 3 weeks.

Most hearings are filled with attorneys, investigators, mitigation specialists who "humanize" the killer in every possible way. Much like we are seeing in this trial.

I was told by the AG who was new to our case after the MR hearing was decided in one of the killers' favor, after I read my Victim Impact statement at the REsentencing hearing that the reason our Judge didn't go with the concurrent sentencing argument that was being argued ....well I'll just tell you what he said to me in the anteroom after the hearing "she did that because you showed up with that statement".

I didn't for one second think my statement would truly have that kind of impact but he did. I even wrote in my statement I didn't think it would make a difference but I did it so I could live with myself. But I'll take his word for it.

At that stage the system often goes unchecked and swings far in the balance of (in)justice toward heinous murderers.

In my experience.

I'm currently in a conversation with the Victim Advocate division to volunteer helping Victims write Victim Impact Statements that truly have a chance of making an IMPACT.

 

[Mystymiss]

Here is my question. do inmates in Sheriffs joe jail get to have a money account (like Casey Anthony did) where they can by items from the jail store? Casey was able to store alot of things to eat plus hair care products. Maybe if that is the case people are free to donate money to her account then she can buy her own extra stuff to eat.
(But not me cause she did this to herself. Nobody forced her to go to TA house the day of the killing.) I'm sure if she gets convicted she can ask for another prison location.:jail: JMO

 

[tinkabella]

A jail worker called in to drivetime radio tonight and said that the inmates are served a breakfast of bread, a plastic bag of peanut butter, 2 oranges, an apple and a small bottle of juice. Inmates on trial are served at 5 am and those who aren't are served b/w 6 and 7. He said they are served dinner at around 7 pm and that it's a soy "stew" with whatever is left over from the day before. He said that is the same every day. He also said that the food is absolutely disgusting. fwiw

I have no problem with her being fed that. She should eat slop or have a diet of bread and water from the toilet-sink combo. jodi is not starving and you can bet that she buys canteen with the donations she receives from the fools that send her money. I bet her cell is stacked with goodies.

 

[Kensie]

Here is my question. do inmates in Sheriffs joe jail get to have a money account (like Casey Anthony did) where they can by items from the jail store? Casey was able to store alot of things to eat plus hair care products. Maybe if that is the case people are free to donate money to her account then she can buy her own extra stuff to eat.
(But not me cause she did this to herself. Nobody forced her to go to TA house the day of the killing.) I'm sure if she gets convicted she can ask for another prison location.:jail: JMO

I think so.

 

[beeshie]

IMO Travis was not aware Jodi was photographing him.

They had their sexcapade, he asked her to leave because he had to shower to go out.

She followed him in the bathroom fully armed and confronted him with the "We will die together, here now ..."

He said she was crazy, tried to run out and she got him in less than 2 minutes.

There's no point in taking the pictures if he didn't know she was taking them. She used flash in some which he would have seen. People don't turn to face the back of the shower (the photo of his back). They either face the shower head or have their back to it, but they don't stand facing the wall opposite the doors.

Your version makes a better story, but everything about those photos says to me that he knew she was taking them.

 

[pferrin]

IMO so many things were accomplished by the prosecution.

He showed so many more of her lies.

He showed her aggressive nature.

He proved she loved her sexual relationship with TA and other men. No matter how hinky the sex was.

He continued to show she was the aggressor in the relationship between her and TA.

He showed her jealous nature.

He continued to prove she was a stalker.

He showed what a master manipulator she is.

 

[AZlawyer]

Would it be a felony for Nurmi to give Jodi a food item? If this is so, please explain why. tia

Because it's a security risk. She could be given poison to help her with her "suicide" plan, for example. Or fake pedophilia letters hidden in her sandwich lol.

 

[PASA]

To Jodi Arias a headache is a migraine.

I say her facade was cracking...she was getting off on the "j i z z " talk with Juan, she was sparring with him, she was admitting things like how much she enjoyed the sex and having her face ejaculated on (which she actuallly asked for), for once she wasn't blaming everything on Travis. Nurmi freaked out and suggested she wasn't stable enough to continue for the afternoon, asked her if her head hurt and she agreed, asked her if she got enough to eat for lunch so decided she had a migraine and was starving so she couldn't continue.

Surely her going off script wasn't his fault for not coaching her well enough so he had to stop that freight train coursing through the courtroom called "Jodi Arias Sociopathy". He didn't expect it so just had to stop it.

Guess what Nurmi? You won't be able to control this. She is at the mercy of her personality disorder and if Juan Martinez pops through the cracks, there it will be.

And there's nothing you can do about it. Stalling just delays the inevitable.

He looked horrified. Even he didn't realize what she's capable of.

After the cinnabon talk on 48 Hours she had a jones for one.

I agree. Nurmi is coaching her, but it's her show and she'll run it her way. That's the way she is.

Juan has dealt with her kind and knows to be effective he has to jump all over the place. She even complained he was talking in circles.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

folks: KNOCK OFF the personal attacks in here. There is a death penalty thread in the parking lot if you want to RESPECTFULLY debate the topic. There is zero tolerance for snark and personal attacks. This lands at random

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You're kinda scary when you use caps


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[manzana]

I think it's supposed to be penis


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Come on Linda, what about the jazz clubs!

 

[Pensfan]

And oddly, living in NJ doesn't phase you? :waitasec:

Ouch and LOL! (For Southerners: It is a favorite pastime in the NE to make jokes about NJ.)

That joke supplied by someone who must pay people to rake his roof!!!!! LOL (It's also a favorite pastime to make snow jokes about upstate NY.)

 

[Mystymiss]

My daughter is in college and has a law class. Her Proffesor showed a clip of the trial. He was explaining something about the trial, but then made the comment that he was suprised that her Lawyer was laying with his feet up on the desk! Lol! He said times have changed!!

Besides that he also have his finger in his nose....:waitasec: