jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 13TH DAY #63 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[looneymama]

If the posts on article is correct then yes..

I've not seen a pic of Bobby & I'm stuck on kindle so hard for me to start researching FB You Tube video testimony etc..

IF THIS IS SAME BOBBY then I think we have to start looking back to ask transpired after TA was murdered.. Again I'm going to say.. I DON'T LIKE THIS BRIAN CARR guy I think there is much much more to him. I posted earlier National Enquirer Sr Editor indicated he'd met JA previously years before.. just sayin JMO

He wasn't shot with a 9mm was he?

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[Hope4More]

Back to the big picture.

1. JM's goal: the death penalty for JA.

2. To get there he must:

--prove premeditation

--demolish her credibility

--convince the jury that it OK to give her the DP because she is guilty of a premeditated, extraordinarily brutal murder

--convince the jury that it is OK to give her the DP because she is not only a cold blooded murderer who has shown no remorse whatsoever, but a cold blooded murderer who continues to lie not only to save herself but wantonly, in order to destroy the reputation of the innocent man she slaughtered.

--convince the jury that it is OK to give her the DP because she is so utterly undeserving of any pity or sympathy...a murderer who smirks on the stand as she throws dirt and dirty lies about both her parents, her grandfather, her sister, every boyfriend she has ever had, every woman she knows Travis has spoken or written to more than once.

That's a lot to cover and to accomplish in one cross, however long, and IMO, he didn't need to do it all in the cross, and never intended to. He's almost or all the way there, but has many more opportunities to hammer it all down.

 

[McNEverest]

One of the slides they showed in court today had her height as 5'4" weight 111lbs and Travis as 5'9" and 189lbs. They compared them side by side..

However, the photograph and Dan Friedman's testimony refutes this fact? no way JA looked 5 inches shorter than Travis OR 60+ lbs lighter in weight.. otherwise I need some of those glasses JA is wearing!

Am No expert but take it from a small person (me) who is very close to the same size listed on JA's DL and knowledge of many states involving DMV including California

IMO her DL was Wrong.. some DMV's just ask the person their height and weight and/or just typos.. it is Your, or in this case JA, responsibility to correct any mistakes with the form you sign where signature is added to DL..

If is a fact JA is that size?
I Want those freakin hiking boots or tennies JA had on to look 3-5 inches taller! or heck, gimme those long arms, fingers and legs that girl has!!
:floorlaugh:

 

[Pink Panther]

PP. someone posted her license up thread as showing she is 5-6 and 125 lbs.
Doc stop say different...page 3 I don't really know which one is correct.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10982855...ourt-Documents

Ricki - I don't know why but I can't open your link?

: (

 

[molly333]

I could see that kind of vicious, brutal overkill in a case where the woman and her children have been abused for 20 years, but a case where they dated for 5 months and knew each other for less than 2 years and never lived together and had no ties other than a prurient interest in sex?

I DON'T THINK SO.

 

[Turnadot]

I have watched this whole trial. Some parts several times. Most of it was covered but I would have liked for him to slowly spell it out. I'm not comfortable with the jury being forced to make the links themselves.

They would be even if Juan asked the specific questions you wanted him to ask. The jury always has to link up the evidence. Every time.

Besides, he's not done as there is still rebuttal. I'll save the he blew it hand-wringing for her acquittal or hung jury. Until then, I'll keep Juan's sterling record in mind before I start telling him what questions he should have asked.

IMO

 

[TigerBalm]

That is not the same Bobby, Katie has previously posted that Bobby is alive and was trying to shop a book deal.

 

[Anita Richman]

Dr. Drew just showed a graphic with Jodi being 5'3 & 115 lbs. she is much taller than that and weighed more than that at the time of the murder, too. Please, talking heads, get your facts straight before you put info out there as "facts"!

 

[iluvmua]

I can't get that link to open. Is it a credible source?
I thought Bobby was alive and well, and hoping for a book deal.
Did we hear that from Katie Co?

The link is going slowly for me now. Maybe a ton of people are trying to access it.

Does anyone have a photo of the BJ that Jodi was dating way back in the day??? so we can compare pictures.

(although the comments are saying it is the same BJ). And Jodi had said that he had been killed.

maybe I just got confused..... sorry guys.

 

[Lulu67]

yeah. He hasn't seen the love of his life/sex toy in two months and he spends the day cleaning? I don't think so.

More like--she was the one cleaning up any evidence of her ever being there. She didn't just have to clean up the bedroom, after all. Her DNA, fingerprints, hair was all over the house.

IMO

His roommates testified that he hadn't put that carpet cleaner completely together. I think she put it together to clean up the blood, but realized it was a futile effort. jmo

 

[Venom]

Ok...
So she is psycho crazy woman and premeditates his killing because of the old "If I can't have him, no one else will".

Why didn't she just just shoot after the roommates left, cornered in the shower stall.

Why was it is so vicious?

Because it was a rage killing. Here's all that leads me to her premeditating it:
The gas cans, so there would be no record of her being in AZ, and burning evidence.
The robbery at her house of a .25 caliber gun, which just happens to be used in the murder of her ex just about a week later. (I think she stole the stereo and dvd player too, just to throw off the real reason for the robbery, the gun.)
The fact that her hair was blonde when renting the rental car and then it's changed to brown.
Her cell phone being turned off when she was in AZ.

 

[getReal]

I appreciate your standpoint, my thoughts on each:
<snip>
4)The rope, in my opinion, is inconsequential. It doesn't mean anything because every act she performed with Travis was on her own volition. He forced her to do nothing. The rope means nothing. I think the only reason Juan focused on the rope at all was to show inconsistencies in her story. I believe he was successful.

The rope testimony today got me to thinking that JA brought the rope to TA's house as an excuse to have a knife handy. And since TA never bought such a soft "tassely" rope, that is why she felt "compelled" to get rid of that bit of seemingly inconsequential evidence!

<lightbulb moment>

 

[LotusPawprint]

If the posts on article is correct then yes..

I've not seen a pic of Bobby & I'm stuck on kindle so hard for me to start researching FB You Tube video testimony etc..

IF THIS IS SAME BOBBY then I think we have to start looking back to ask transpired after TA was murdered.. Again I'm going to say.. I DON'T LIKE THIS BRIAN CARR guy I think there is much much more to him. I posted earlier National Enquirer Sr Editor indicated he'd met JA previously years before.. just sayin JMO

I'm right there w/you on BC. He does have a history.

 

[4Jacy]

I just need her to die. She is an evil, evil person, and all of this was premeditation. God bless Travis, his family and friends!

 

[ElleElle]

There is no credible evidence! It's all lies!

I thought the purpose of jurors was to evaluate credible evidence presented to them, not to create their own scenarios. ] :what:

 

[AngelWings444]

I predict a mistrial or acquittal. Juan botched the case on cross for the most part.

1. He didn't establish a credible motive. No focus whatsoever on the May 26th text exchange (where he was very mean to her) and no attempt to link it to the May 28th "burglary". He seems to think that cancun crap is enough. It isn't.

2. No attempt to refute her claim that Travis guilted her into seeing him. Juan could have pointed out the flurry of phone calls she made to him on June 3rd to undermine her lies.

3. Never properly pointed out the inconsistency of her sexual talk and fantasies and her claims of being raped during the relationship. She claims she was anally raped in 2007. When describing this she pretended to act like she was raped, by pausing, crying, etc. Yet, just a little while later she's exploring her sexual fantasies with him, requesting facials and wanting to frak him like a "horny little school girl". Juan should have pointed out how far-fetched it was for a rape victim to continue to engage in mutual, enjoyable, kinky sexual relationship with her rapist. This would have crushed her whole "sexual abuse" crap. I don't feel that Juan made this point clearly enough.

4. He had her cornered on the rope issue. She bungled by admitting that she had no reason for throwing the rope away. Juan could have pointed out that "reason". The rope was imaginary -- conjured up to explain the knife's close proximity to the crime scene -- and her lie about throwing it in the dumpster was made up to explain why no rope was recovered.

5. The gun!!! He had her here too. All he had to ask was;

Juan: Isn't it true that the reason you disposed of the gun was because it didn't belong to Travis but to your grandparent and you knew that leaving it at the scene would have further implicated you?

There are other things, but these stick out the most.

I have to disagree. Juan had to go around in circles to get even the simplest answers from JA. IMO-he got way more out of her today, then I ever thought he would be able to get. I believe his direct and closing will be huge, all wrapped up with a bow on top..very easy to understand. At least, that is my hope. lease: This creature should not be out of prison, EVER!

 

[Hope4More]

which of JA's exes supposedly committed suicide?

 

[grammieto5]

After the disaster in Florida, I have no confidence that a jury will convict Jodi. CA killed a toddler.....Travis was a grown man.

Yes, I understand how you feel. I think Juan Martinez did a great job with JA, I also thought in the murder trial of Caylee Marie Anthony Jeff Ashton did a great job. I know these two cases are not the same, even the families of the victims are so very different, but one can not help but be worried that the endings will be the same.

 

[Truth Detector]

I predict a mistrial or acquittal. Juan botched the case on cross for the most part.

1. He didn't establish a credible motive. No focus whatsoever on the May 26th text exchange (where he was very mean to her) and no attempt to link it to the May 28th "burglary". He seems to think that cancun crap is enough. It isn't.

2. No attempt to refute her claim that Travis guilted her into seeing him. Juan could have pointed out the flurry of phone calls she made to him on June 3rd to undermine her lies.

3. Never properly pointed out the inconsistency of her sexual talk and fantasies and her claims of being raped during the relationship. She claims she was anally raped in 2007. When describing this she pretended to act like she was raped, by pausing, crying, etc. Yet, just a little while later she's exploring her sexual fantasies with him, requesting facials and wanting to frak him like a "horny little school girl". Juan should have pointed out how far-fetched it was for a rape victim to continue to engage in mutual, enjoyable, kinky sexual relationship with her rapist. This would have crushed her whole "sexual abuse" crap. I don't feel that Juan made this point clearly enough.

4. He had her cornered on the rope issue. She bungled by admitting that she had no reason for throwing the rope away. Juan could have pointed out that "reason". The rope was imaginary -- conjured up to explain the knife's close proximity to the crime scene -- and her lie about throwing it in the dumpster was made up to explain why no rope was recovered.

5. The gun!!! He had her here too. All he had to ask was;

Juan: Isn't it true that the reason you disposed of the gun was because it didn't belong to Travis but to your grandparent and you knew that leaving it at the scene would have further implicated you?

There are other things, but these stick out the most.

1. Motive is always mind-reading; an inexact art. Focusing tightly on only one about which the jury is not overwhelmingly unanimous would be problematic.

2. If he proves premeditation, 'guilting' or anything else is irrelevant, IMO. Premeditation is shouting from the rooftops on this one.

3. I'm hoping that his faith in the jury is well-placed here. Nurmi/Arias had already rubbed the jurors' noses in her crotch. Enough, already. She is a pathological liar who went out of her way to insist to LE, media et al that theirs was a consensual sexual relationship. What he did rebut just today was the ridiculous assertion that TA was a pedophile when JA herself is the one who initiated the schoolgirl crap you cite.

4. The rope was another lie, made bigger due to its never being seen in the photos or anywhere else. In my experience, juries love pics and hard forensic evidence. In this case, JM trusts that the missing picture was worth a thousand lies.

5. I like your question on the gun. The jury has to be blind to miss this, but given the license plate tussle, it would have been worth it.

Prediction?

Conviction on 1st degree murder and she gets DP or LWOP.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is no credible evidence! It's all lies!

Whose lies?

Jodi's!




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