Josh Powell Detained While Investigators Search Home

[IhaveanOpinion]

Just wondering if SP's name showed up on any of the flight manifests during that time period.

I lean toward the issue of Susan's dead body was not transported, I think more likely a live & heavy drugged and restrained body was transported. As sick as it may sound she could have been heavy drugged and tie up and dropped into a mine shaft alive and that is why WVCPD has not/may not be able to prove/disprove there is a dead body. It seems like if they would have collected any evidence from a vehicle that a dead body was transported, they could certainly use that. It is not necessary to have a dead body to prosecute but they would need pretty solid/circumstantial evidence that the person is dead.

I am sure WVCPD could/would have/had look at SP employment records for that period of time if they had/have probable cause to do so.

 

[Steely Dan]

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Getting warrants isn't that easy. I can easily see the cops going before a judge and saying we took this guys van and he's rented a car. That's very flimsy evidence to put forth for a warrant even if you add in the camping story. JMO :end quote.

Do they have to get a warrant to watch his moves? I don't know how that works. I was just thinking keeping track of him and what he was up to would have been very important, to cover all their bases. Considering how it turned out..that he returned the rental with mega miles put on it and red, chapped hands that he kept putting lotion on...it may have been way cheaper for LE to have tracked him then and busted him (if he was in fact hiding her body as many suspect), than to miss that opportunity and work on this case for 2 years, including the expense of driving their forensics crew, equipment, officers/detectives to Nevada and WA. I mean hindsight is 20/20, and I do give WVCPD props for keeping up the work on this case. They are determined. JMO.

BBM

I'm not sure but certainly somebody renting a car when their only means of transportation is gone wouldn't be surprising. They probably already thought they knew where the body was. He told them he went camping and where. Hindsight is 20/20 and I don't think that was a major screw up by them. It would have been a great if they did it but I'm not sure it would have made sense at the time. JMO

 

[pip]

BBM

I'm not sure but certainly somebody renting a car when their only means of transportation is gone wouldn't be surprising. They probably already thought they knew where the body was. He told them he went camping and where. Hindsight is 20/20 and I don't think that was a major screw up by them. It would have been a great if they did it but I'm not sure it would have made sense at the time. JMO

I am so 50/50 on the issue. I get what you're saying, but he also could have went been covering up evidence, or even gone awol. He was definitely suspect numero uno at that point. Enough to scour his van=enough to keep an eye on imo. Water under the bridge tho. And I do believe they are working really hard at getting him.

 

[OneLove]

Dad could have flown to Nevada, rented a car and met Josh halfway.

Yes, or flown in all the way and had Josh pick him up at the local airport where Josh rented the car.

Since reading that "inappropriate" dad spent hours on the phone with Josh the days before Susan turned up missing,

AND since Josh wanted to move back to live close to "inappropriate" dad,

AND since Susan did NOT want to move AND "bad-dad" was not welcome in her home,

I am wondering if Susan finally broke down and told Josh some specific actions of "bad-dad" before their move that Josh had never been told before.

So that makes me wonder if Josh called his dad with accusations or questions, and things escalated from there, with "bad-dad" maybe telling Josh that Susan was "unstable, needed HELP with her mental problems,etc", all standard issue BS from sexual perverts and narcissists when their acts are revealed.

If Josh is of low level intellectual capacity AND narcissistic, he may have fallen for this, and dominant-bad-dad began to plot a script for taking Susan out of the equation as a witness against him. Is it possible Josh's take on Susan being emotionally disturbed came from inappropriate-Dad's defending himself against Susan's accusations of sexual misconduct revealing HIS OWN obvious mental illness?

 

[pip]

Yes, or flown in all the way and had Josh pick him up at the local airport where Josh rented the car.

Since reading that "inappropriate" dad spent hours on the phone with Josh the days before Susan turned up missing,

AND since Josh wanted to move back to live close to "inappropriate" dad,

AND since Susan did NOT want to move AND "bad-dad" was not welcome in her home,

I am wondering if Susan finally broke down and told Josh some specific actions of "bad-dad" before their move that Josh had never been told before.

So that makes me wonder if Josh called his dad with accusations or questions, and things escalated from there, with "bad-dad" maybe telling Josh that Susan was "unstable, needed HELP with her mental problems,etc", all standard issue BS from sexual perverts and narcissists when their acts are revealed.

If Josh is of low level intellectual capacity AND narcissistic, he may have fallen for this, and dominant-bad-dad began to plot a script for taking Susan out of the equation as a witness against him. Is it possible Josh's take on Susan being emotionally disturbed came from inappropriate-Dad's defending himself against Susan's accusations of sexual misconduct revealing HIS OWN obvious mental illness?

I wonder if Josh was on the phone with bad dad talking about wanting to move back to WA and Susan won't go. Maybe that is what led up to her murder. Maybe she said NO..go yourself, I am staying here with the kids. Next thing you know...Susan is dead and the kids and Josh have moved back to WA with his dad. A familiar theme in the Powell family, minus murder, although I wonder where SP's mother ever disappeared to.

 

[OneLove]

And who lived in SP's home when Susan disappeared? Any possibility an alive Susan was taken by SP for his sick amusement while SP was telling Josh it was for her own good? Maybe he told Josh he would get her help in a psychiatric institution and then fashioned his own " indoctrination".?

Methinks Josh should start telling everything he knows.......

 

[IhaveanOpinion]

I am so 50/50 on the issue. I get what you're saying, but he also could have went been covering up evidence, or even gone awol. He was definitely suspect numero uno at that point. Enough to scour his van=enough to keep an eye on imo. Water under the bridge tho. And I do believe they are working really hard at getting him.

I am not so sure that LE doesn't know where he went and was in the rental car, they haven't said they do or don't know. In fact they have pretty secretive about what they do have and know :silenced:, which sometime can appear they are not very smart. I would want people investigating me to be dumber than me, could be part of LE strategy to look like they have not a clue :great:


And I would go in the opposite direction of where I dumped the body and dig an play in the snow, really throw them off!

 

[katydid23]

And who lived in SP's home when Susan disappeared? Any possibility an alive Susan was taken by SP for his sick amusement while SP was telling Josh it was for her own good? Maybe he told Josh he would get her help in a psychiatric institution and then fashioned his own " indoctrination".?

Methinks Josh should start telling everything he knows.......

Strangely, SP's home is full of his other adult children. Only one daughter escaped and moved with the ex-wife. But Josh, one sister, and a bi-polar brother all live with SP. To me that illustrates how controlling this Steve guy really is. Why do 3 of his 4 adult children still live in his home? He has not taught them self reliance apparently.

 

[borndem]

komonews komonews.com
Update: @ABC has learned the search at Josh Powell's home is focused on Susan Powell's teen journal entries.

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I don't think that is the only reason they are there. They could just send a couple of officers up to collect the journals. Not detectives and forensic specialists, etc.

BenWinslow Ben Winslow
Some of the investigators searching the Powell home in Puyallup, WA are forensic specialists

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Hi, MsFacetious - :wave: - Please 'scuse this comment for being so late as to when you posted it, but I'm just now catching up on this thing.

As to the "army" of investigators, no, I don't think it takes that many individuals to find & confiscate her journals -- they were looking for things known & unknown to them, IMO.

I am hoping that this search will yield enuff info to give them good, solid probable cause evidenceto arrest The Good Husband so they can haul him off to jail and eventually into a 1st Degree Murder courtroom.

I guess they'll take it back to the labs & analysts and :crossfingers: they'll get the goods on this guy. I'll bet, since they didn't haul him off when they were at his house, that Mr. Powell is feeling even more cocky than before. Hope it doesn't last much longer....

 

[gwenabob]

I don't want to be disagreeable, but Peterson had been counseling them. It's commonly done between Priesthood members.

Here's a reference from the mainstream media:

Salt Lake Tribune, 7 Jan 2010

"Peterson previously told The Tribune he'd been involved in helping provide marriage counseling to Susan and Joshua Powell. He'd encouraged the woman to leave Joshua Powell, calling him "an energy suck." Susan Powell stopped seeing Peterson for counseling when he suggested divorce.

A clearly distraught Peterson said after Wednesday's playground set incident that he's frustrated Powell isn't stepping up to assist in the search for his wife.

"If he is supposed to be the head of the home and he is supposed to be taking care of his wife Susan, where is he?" Peterson questioned.

"He's one of my neighbors. He is somebody I went to church with. If he is the leader of his home, where is he? Why isn't he taking care of his family? "

I think that bolded part was poorly written. Other articles around the same time say he only recommended a counselor to Susan. I think what the bolded above meant to say was he helped provide marriage counseling only as in he recommended someone to Susan. Other articles have said that he and his wife and seen a counselor and found it beneficial and he recommended that counselor to Susan.

As far as priesthood counseling in the church, the only one who could do that for Susan and Josh would be the bishop, and as far as I know, Peterson was not their bishop. I think he was simply someone who knew them and could see past Josh's BS.

 

[gwenabob]

Strangely, SP's home is full of his other adult children. Only one daughter escaped and moved with the ex-wife. But Josh, one sister, and a bi-polar brother all live with SP. To me that illustrates how controlling this Steve guy really is. Why do 3 of his 4 adult children still live in his home? He has not taught them self reliance apparently.

He has 5 adult children. He has another son, Michael, who is always running (and losing) for the Washington state legislature. I think he may have moved out recently.

 

[gwenabob]

Hi, MsFacetious - :wave: - Please 'scuse this comment for being so late as to when you posted it, but I'm just now catching up on this thing.

As to the "army" of investigators, no, I don't think it takes that many individuals to find & confiscate her journals -- they were looking for things known & unknown to them, IMO.

I am hoping that this search will yield enuff info to give them good, solid probable cause evidenceto arrest The Good Husband so they can haul him off to jail and eventually into a 1st Degree Murder courtroom.

I guess they'll take it back to the labs & analysts and :crossfingers: they'll get the goods on this guy. I'll bet, since they didn't haul him off when they were at his house, that Mr. Powell is feeling even more cocky than before. Hope it doesn't last much longer....

I think a search like this could very well take more people than we think. Maybe 4 or 5 officers to do the searching, more people to do evidence processing, photographers, IT people, officers to sit with Josh and the boys, officers to watch other residents of the house, etc. You can't send a couple people in to do a job that big. Everyone is specialized and detailed records, notes, and indexes are kept. Plus, the more LE that is there, the less likely residents are to try to hide/destroy things or bolt and run. You want a little shock and awe just to stun them a little to keep things calm.

 

[pip]

I am not so sure that LE doesn't know where he went and was in the rental car, they haven't said they do or don't know. In fact they have pretty secretive about what they do have and know :silenced:, which sometime can appear they are not very smart. I would want people investigating me to be dumber than me, could be part of LE strategy to look like they have not a clue :great:


And I would go in the opposite direction of where I dumped the body and dig an play in the snow, really throw them off!

The thought crossed my mind too. We really don't know anything that they have uncovered.

 

[pip]

My gut instinct is that there was an issue/issues that led up to premeditation. I don't think it was a spontaneous, unplanned murder that night. One of the main issues was likely that Josh was unhappy in Utah and the LDS influence, and Susan's friends, neighbors, co-workers, church members knowing the struggles she was having with Josh and that some even encouraged her to leave him. A control freak abuser always works to isolate the abused from any support system. His narcissistic ego also couldn't stand having his faults/weaknesses exposed. A new job he would be starting obviously wasn't an upswing in Josh's world. Just one more thing to keep him in Utah...and Josh was not much of a worker anyway. I think he was pressuring her to leave Utah and go to WA and she wouldn't. The significance of the new job starting Monday set him into motion. I don't think he could handle being there anymore and Susan was the only thing standing in the way. The control freak was not letting her stay and have the kids, nor was he staying. JMO.

 

[OneLove]

My gut instinct is that there was an issue/issues that led up to premeditation. I don't think it was a spontaneous, unplanned murder that night. One of the main issues was likely that Josh was unhappy in Utah and the LDS influence, and Susan's friends, neighbors, co-workers, church members knowing the struggles she was having with Josh and that some even encouraged her to leave him. A control freak abuser always works to isolate the abused from any support system. His narcissistic ego also couldn't stand having his faults/weaknesses exposed. A new job he would be starting obviously wasn't an upswing in Josh's world. Just one more thing to keep him in Utah...and Josh was not much of a worker anyway. I think he was pressuring her to leave Utah and go to WA and she wouldn't. The significance of the new job starting Monday set him into motion. I don't think he could handle being there anymore and Susan was the only thing standing in the way. The control freak was not letting her stay and have the kids, nor was he staying. JMO.

I believe this as the likeliest scenario, with a possible added twist of Susan finally telling him specific things about his father's sexually abusive actions. That Josh spent so much time on the phone with his dad right before she goes missing is telling.

In her friends accounts of Susan's telling THEM of Steve's scary perversions, do any of them state specifically whether Josh WAS AWARE of this, or did she simply tell Josh his bad-dad was not welcome in her home without explaining to him why? It is hard to believe she would not explain why, since he was totally banned, not simply disliked.

 

[pip]

So his neighbor took him to return the rental car, who brought him to the airport to pick it up?

 

[IhaveanOpinion]

So his neighbor took him to return the rental car, who brought him to the airport to pick it up?

I believe it was the same neighbor IIRC

 

[pip]

LE has kept this case so secretive, we hardly know anything other than activities Josh has described, bits and pieces of info from friends, neighbors, Jovanna that evening, and the fact that fans were blowing on wet carpet which forensics took. A rental car with 400 some miles, red chapped hands, fleeing to WA. Rumors of a blow torch, shrink wrap purchased...not substantiated or known to be involved. What can we come up with to connect a few of the dots that led them to Ely, to WA and whatever they have been working on for the past 2 years that we are in the dark to?

1. Soil samples to Ely and the rental car?
2. Cell phone pings of JP and maybe SP?
3. The carpet...if blood were found would they have arrested him already?
4. What the kids told LE.
5. More information from people who knew them?

What else could they have that we haven't thought about?

 

[MsFacetious]

Was it stated that the rental was in jp's name or perhaps sp's name? thnx

I never heard, just that "Josh Powell rented a car."

However, as far as finding out that he rented one at the time, it wouldn't matter.

All you have to do is keep an eye on him once you seize the van. It didn't take him long to rent the car.
Then you follow him, you find out he rented the car and you follow him till you can put GPS on it.

If you can't put GPS on it, I think following him at that point for the few days you have his van, would have been worth it. But that's just me.

Maybe he just went for a leisurely drive. I have put 500 miles on a vehicle in a few days before.

Or maybe he went to move a body.

We may never know.

 

[hollyblue]

I believe it was the same neighbor IIRC

It was his sister or bil who took him to get the rental car. Tim Peterson took him back to the airport to return the car and to the police station to pick up his van.

He did go shopping to replace items LE had taken. New phone, bedspread, etc. and there was something about him going to visit a friend..with little C iirc. I want to say that was a female friend, but don't hold me that.