KC's Pregnancy/Denial (Merged Threads)

[CentralFLMama]

If it were true that Cindy was "forcing" Casey to have and keep the baby, then I highly doubt that Casey would have been so upset and bothered that Cindy was the first to hold Caylee after birth. If Casey really didn't want Caylee then I just don't see her caring that much, and it being an issue even years later.

 

[suzet]

KC kept this child because that is what she chose to do. KC made the choice to have Caylee.
Unless we are talking gun to the head I'll kill you if you don't, there is no way CA could force KC to bear a child.
KC does exactly what she wants to do 100% of the time anyway,regardless of consequences.

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[kiki the parrot]

While I agree 100% w JBean that we are all ultimately responsible for our own choices, reportedly CA persisted against even KC's misgivings and better judgment, in pressuring her to not adopt out Caylee. On one level I can understand this--as I was nearly faced myself w this heartwrenching dilemma involving my own very young single, struggling daughter, and her child (my granddaughter). Thankfully, before that plan could ever be implemented, my daughter reconsidered, had moved on to Plan B and moved where they could both live and receive help from her dad.

In this case, despite discouraging KC from doing what KC felt was best and had every right to do, she never herself totally assumed the role of guardian nor relieved KC altogether of the responsibility. That too is understandable, given that she allowed KC to continue living in the home there with them--and would otherwise stand accused of "stealing" Caylee (or her affections) away from KC. It's also not hard to grasp how KC might have felt defensive about her attempts to parent, since CA had reportedly criticized KC openly in front of friends about other things. Nor is it hard to understand on CA's part why, altho it was occasionally fun to be Caylee's "favorite," to feel needed and loved and relive those earlier fulfilling years when KC was mallable and compliant, when it wasn't inconvenient, on some level she must have also deeply resented KC's irresponsibility, freedom and apparent oblivion (not to mention deceit) as CA was the one coming home tired from work to more responsibilities--while KC continues her carefree lifestyle, escaping what was "supposed" to be her responsibility, partying into the night. Nor how she might have--at those difficult times it didn't suit her--regretted absolving or talking KC into shirking or foisting all of her responsibilities upon her, or just been hoping KC might eventually step up. It should also be pointed out that even tho KC was by then an "adult," their mother-daughter dynamic is a force to be reckoned w and the approval/disapproval factor inescapable. Thus "KC's" choice of whether or not to relinquish parental responsibility was in a very real sense subject to the silent (and more likely not so silent) judgment or permission of her mother. And CA by now discovers it is she who is having to make the sacrifices for "KC's" choice. We can say KC was capable of making her own decision, yet when your mother chastises or condemns you for that decision, that is a powerful influence that should not be underestimated. None of this is to excuse, only to help us understand. Because in the end, I think few would argue that KC's actual choice (vs CA's) would have undoubtedly turned out better for little Caylee. And in the absence of real true agreement between them what Caylee was left w instead was theoretically shared but oftentimes a blurring of parental responsibilities. What we do know is what was testified to in interviews (see 8/25/08 document dump) released long ago and well substantiated by multiple and reliable sources. JMO

"Four hundred pages of documents released by police in the case of a missing Orlando toddler reveal that her mother wanted to give her up for adoption before she was born, but her grandmother convinced her not to."

"Court documents show 22-year-old Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Florida toddler, Caylee Anthony, wanted to give the girl up for adoption before she was born.

"Documents released by prosecutors Monday show Casey Anthony's mother insisted that she keep the child."

"Casey Anthony wanted to give up her unborn child for adoption. But those plans were nixed by her mother, who insisted she keep the baby... Childhood friend Kiomarie Torres Cruz said that during Casey Anthony's pregnancy, she wanted to put the baby up for adoption. Cruz told Anthony she would be interested in adopting the unborn child because she couldn't have children herself. Cruz said she thought Anthony was bipolar. At times, Anthony would ask her something one day, and then would not remember later that she asked the question."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2732067.story

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/Re...219761697.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410865,00.html

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2...26/376590.html

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/27429754.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/172...orlpn&psp=news

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/do...ase/2032023385

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photog...dexGallery.htm

 

[Cerenity2u]

I've used the word "forced" in a few posts regarding KC keeping and raising Caylee, but I think "manipulate" might be a better word here. I honestly believe that CA is a master manipulator, based on what I have seen in interviews, and have read in docs etc. CA most definitely dominates and controls her family members...and probably always has. In order for a person to be able to have that kind of control over others, they have to possess the ability to manipulate. Cindy is a master at it IMO, and KC learned from the best. I believe that Cindy manipulated KC into keeping Caylee, for various reasons. By the time CA found out about the pregnancy, she was already well aware of KC's irresponsible, defiant, lying ways. She was already losing control over KC. Maybe CA thought that KC would change and become responsible if she kept Caylee, after all, there is no other love other than Gods love, that can compare to the love a mother has for her child. Maybe Cindy was already having regrets on the way she raised KC and thought that she could fill a void in her own life by having Caylee in it...kind of like a second chance at parenting? I truely believe that KC did NOT want Caylee in the beginning and did indeed discuss adopting her out. However, I believe that CA sugar coated the realities of what KC's life would be like with a baby, and convinced her to keep her. I think KC was already convinced to keep Caylee by the time she discussed the issue with JG. This is why when JG suggested that the baby be put up for adoption, KC was adamant about keeping her. After Caylee was born, KC quickly realized that CA's sugar coated explaination of how life would be for her as a mother, wasn't so. KC's resentment, hatred and anger towards CA is now fully fueled....game is on. This is so sad to say, but I believe that little Caylee became a tool for CA and KC's power struggle in that house. I believe that both of them used Caylee to hurt one another, leading KC to commit the ultimate power play and hurt against CA that only a severe sociopath could do......she took Caylee's life. IMO, CA and KC were used to fighting, especially over Caylee, so I do not believe that the fight on the 15th made KC angry enough to snap and kill Caylee on the spur of a moment. I believe that killing Caylee was already thought about, long before that fight. KC thought of Caylee as a chore, a pain, an interruption, a tool, and an object. After the fight on the 15th, I believe that KC was done puting up with CA, she was done playing her games, it was time for her to make the final power play, in her mind. She no longer needed Caylee for her own benefit..it was time to make CA suffer the ultimate consequence for invading and ruining her life. In KC's mind Caylee and CA was nothing but a problem to her...she removed one of the problems permanently, while crushing the other one for life. she wasn't just partying after she killed Caylee...she was CELEBRATING IMO. Sorry so long, all the above is simply my own theory and opinion.

 

[TxLady2]

It is possible that Casey changed her own mind about not giving the baby up for adoption, that happens in a lot of cases.

 

[desertmom]

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that the majority of the posters on this thread never knew Caylee, and are drawn to this case because of a strong compassion for innocent children, which extends to children of strangers.

What seems striking to me is that this caring for children of strangers does not seem to survive to the caring for what happens to those children once they "grow up". All adults were once children. Is it really possible to end your compassion towards that child once they are no longer considered a child?

We are all products of our experiences, many of our character traits are based on unconscious reactions to those experiences. Now what I am getting is this...there is a lot of hatred for KC, based on presumptions of her personality formed as a result of pieces of information about her life that have been made public. There is overwhelming compassion for Caylee, based on her pictures that have been made public, and the public evidence that there is a possibility of her death being the result of wrong-doing. Think about this for a moment...KC was a child once, just like Caylee was. Most of you seem to be implying that KC made a conscious choice to become an evil person once she left the childhood years behind.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that my observations of a supposed compassion for the children of strangers seems to send mixed messages when those same people exhibit such hatred towards adults. Concern for fellow human beings does not have to stop once a person is no longer a child. If that were the case, maybe Caylee is much better off where she is.

You don't have to like every person on this earth, but you really should think about spreading hatred directed at people you don't even know...especially in situations where you don't have all the facts needed to condemn a person's soul. Always remember...every adult was once a child. Try to keep your emotions in check with that thought.

:twocents:

I do see what you are trying to say and totally respect your insight. The bottom line, however, is KC is no longer a child and unlike a child, should have the mental wearwithall to know right from wrong and to understand that there are consequences to certain behaviors and that certain behaviors are unacceptable. This should apply to every adult, no matter what kind of experiences they had when they were children.

I think we have all heard of stories where children who were brought up in a loving, caring happy home for whatever reason turn out to be repeat criminal offenders of the worst kind. On the flip side, we have all heard of children brought up in terrible circumstances who succeed and live productive adult lives.

Who knows if KC's upbringing had anything to do with how she is today. How can anybody not have more compassion for an innocent child than an adult who thinks they can lie, steal and if found guilty, take a life?

 

[kiki the parrot]

I've used the word "forced" in a few posts regarding KC keeping and raising Caylee, but I think "manipulate" might be a better word here. I honestly believe that CA is a master manipulator, based on what I have seen in interviews, and have read in docs etc. CA most definitely dominates and controls her family members...and probably always has. In order for a person to be able to have that kind of control over others, they have to possess the ability to manipulate. Cindy is a master at it IMO, and KC learned from the best. I believe that Cindy manipulated KC into keeping Caylee, for various reasons. By the time CA found out about the pregnancy, she was already well aware of KC's irresponsible, defiant, lying ways. She was already losing control over KC. Maybe CA thought that KC would change and become responsible if she kept Caylee, after all, there is no other love other than Gods love, that can compare to the love a mother has for her child. Maybe Cindy was already having regrets on the way she raised KC and thought that she could fill a void in her own life by having Caylee in it...kind of like a second chance at parenting? I truely believe that KC did NOT want Caylee in the beginning and did indeed discuss adopting her out. However, I believe that CA sugar coated the realities of what KC's life would be like with a baby, and convinced her to keep her. I think KC was already convinced to keep Caylee by the time she discussed the issue with JG. This is why when JG suggested that the baby be put up for adoption, KC was adamant about keeping her. After Caylee was born, KC quickly realized that CA's sugar coated explaination of how life would be for her as a mother, wasn't so. KC's resentment, hatred and anger towards CA is now fully fueled....game is on. This is so sad to say, but I believe that little Caylee became a tool for CA and KC's power struggle in that house. I believe that both of them used Caylee to hurt one another, leading KC to commit the ultimate power play and hurt against CA that only a severe sociopath could do......she took Caylee's life. IMO, CA and KC were used to fighting, especially over Caylee, so I do not believe that the fight on the 15th made KC angry enough to snap and kill Caylee on the spur of a moment. I believe that killing Caylee was already thought about, long before that fight. KC thought of Caylee as a chore, a pain, an interruption, a tool, and an object. After the fight on the 15th, I believe that KC was done puting up with CA, she was done playing her games, it was time for her to make the final power play, in her mind. She no longer needed Caylee for her own benefit..it was time to make CA suffer the ultimate consequence for invading and ruining her life. In KC's mind Caylee and CA was nothing but a problem to her...she removed one of the problems permanently, while crushing the other one for life. she wasn't just partying after she killed Caylee...she was CELEBRATING IMO. Sorry so long, all the above is simply my own theory and opinion.

(bold mine) ITA w bolded! Very similar to my earlier post, tho you lose me from there. As self-centered as you paint her (and you'll get no disagreement from me!) I'm still left unable to fathom how KC could have thought "long" about murder, nor even done spur of the moment, w/out once for one moment considering her own miserable future. That's one helluva trade-off, even for 10 Minute KC. Are we to believe she traded the remainder of her life for what amounts to 30 days of Bella Vida? When she could've simply walked away--and had Bella Vida for the rest of her years. JMO

 

[kiki the parrot]

Even though we all recognize that KC was flipping out furious all the time she was also a very dependent personality. The over the top fury has to do with how dependent she was and how independent she wanted to be. She had a normal enough looking upbringing but (as someone in law enforcement said during GA's FBI interview) "something happened during high school". She did not graduate from high school. That is very unusual, really.

Someone who does not finish with her class is at a huge disadvantage in every way. Everything points to her "acting out" after she didn't finish with her class. We view KC as someone who was in control (she could have used her head and gotten an abortion, etc)..but she spun out of control in all departments. She truly was still a little kid living at home without the wherewithall to move on and do responsible things like adults do. KC had to be afraid of the wrath that would be leveled at her for being pregnant. Instead CA enjoyed the martyr role and enjoyed little Caylee. The dynamics were in place for KC to finally exact a price on CA after having been under CA's thumb.

CA has stated clearly that she wanted Caylee...and was happy to provide for Caylee. CA clearly has an overbearing personality. CA held all the power in that family because of the pursestrings. CA was the only one providing the roof over everyone's head! Food and Shelter are number one on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. You all must realize how much CA was "using" that to wield power in this family.

Agree 100%. No arguments here!

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that the majority of the posters on this thread never knew Caylee, and are drawn to this case because of a strong compassion for innocent children, which extends to children of strangers.

What seems striking to me is that this caring for children of strangers does not seem to survive to the caring for what happens to those children once they "grow up". All adults were once children. Is it really possible to end your compassion towards that child once they are no longer considered a child?

We are all products of our experiences, many of our character traits are based on unconscious reactions to those experiences. Now what I am getting is this...there is a lot of hatred for KC, based on presumptions of her personality formed as a result of pieces of information about her life that have been made public. There is overwhelming compassion for Caylee, based on her pictures that have been made public, and the public evidence that there is a possibility of her death being the result of wrong-doing. Think about this for a moment...KC was a child once, just like Caylee was. Most of you seem to be implying that KC made a conscious choice to become an evil person once she left the childhood years behind.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that my observations of a supposed compassion for the children of strangers seems to send mixed messages when those same people exhibit such hatred towards adults. Concern for fellow human beings does not have to stop once a person is no longer a child. If that were the case, maybe Caylee is much better off where she is.

You don't have to like every person on this earth, but you really should think about spreading hatred directed at people you don't even know...especially in situations where you don't have all the facts needed to condemn a person's soul. Always remember...every adult was once a child. Try to keep your emotions in check with that thought.

:twocents:

Thank you for bravely sharing, sometimes "pearls" like these are trampled but it is true that while we can judge the actions of others as wrong it is not our job to judge people nor condemn their souls. Nor should we forget, as I've pointed out myself, that KC was indeed at one time as blameless as Caylee. I'd recently hoped to emphasize this point by juxta-posting two photos, which bore a resemblance as babies, side by side. Was unsuccessful in uploading (am sure I would've gotten #e!! for it too, oh dear...) But I appreciate your comments, so thanks for sharing! JMO
:blowkiss:

 

[BetsyB]

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that the majority of the posters on this thread never knew Caylee, and are drawn to this case because of a strong compassion for innocent children, which extends to children of strangers.

What seems striking to me is that this caring for children of strangers does not seem to survive to the caring for what happens to those children once they "grow up". All adults were once children. Is it really possible to end your compassion towards that child once they are no longer considered a child?

We are all products of our experiences, many of our character traits are based on unconscious reactions to those experiences. Now what I am getting is this...there is a lot of hatred for KC, based on presumptions of her personality formed as a result of pieces of information about her life that have been made public. There is overwhelming compassion for Caylee, based on her pictures that have been made public, and the public evidence that there is a possibility of her death being the result of wrong-doing. Think about this for a moment...KC was a child once, just like Caylee was. Most of you seem to be implying that KC made a conscious choice to become an evil person once she left the childhood years behind.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that my observations of a supposed compassion for the children of strangers seems to send mixed messages when those same people exhibit such hatred towards adults. Concern for fellow human beings does not have to stop once a person is no longer a child. If that were the case, maybe Caylee is much better off where she is.

You don't have to like every person on this earth, but you really should think about spreading hatred directed at people you don't even know...especially in situations where you don't have all the facts needed to condemn a person's soul. Always remember...every adult was once a child. Try to keep your emotions in check with that thought.

:twocents:

Casey Anthony is a sociopath. Yes, she was once a child--a sociopathic child.

It's sad that she lacks whatever it is that gives humans their humanity--it truly is. But she is what she is, and nothing can change it. Nothing ever could.

I have a great deal of empathy for her family. But my empathy does not extend to her. Empathy requires a degree of putting oneself in another's shoes--and Casey Anthony's shoes are shoes I do not care to step into.

I was fathered by a sociopath. I can assure you that your empathy is wasted on Casey. Others do not exist for her, except inasmuch as they fulfill HER needs.

All the psychopathology aside, she is a woman who killed her own child. The fact that she was once a child does nothing to mitigate her monstrosity as an adult.

I will save my empathy for those who deserve it. Casey Anthony does not.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

I think this is just another example of KC not taking responsibility for anything.
*she got pregnant (careless)
*she chose not to get an abortion
*she did not receive pre-natal care (she could have received this care w/o telling her parents)
*she didn't tell her parents
*she lied about Caylee's paternity
*she did not give Caylee up for adoption b/c this would have required action on her part

I don't think CA forced her to do anything. This is just another example of KC not accepting responsibilty for anything and then CA the helicopter mom comes sweeping in and takes over.

 

[Devon]

I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that the majority of the posters on this thread never knew Caylee, and are drawn to this case because of a strong compassion for innocent children, which extends to children of strangers.

What seems striking to me is that this caring for children of strangers does not seem to survive to the caring for what happens to those children once they "grow up". All adults were once children. Is it really possible to end your compassion towards that child once they are no longer considered a child?

We are all products of our experiences, many of our character traits are based on unconscious reactions to those experiences. Now what I am getting is this...there is a lot of hatred for KC, based on presumptions of her personality formed as a result of pieces of information about her life that have been made public. There is overwhelming compassion for Caylee, based on her pictures that have been made public, and the public evidence that there is a possibility of her death being the result of wrong-doing. Think about this for a moment...KC was a child once, just like Caylee was. Most of you seem to be implying that KC made a conscious choice to become an evil person once she left the childhood years behind.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that my observations of a supposed compassion for the children of strangers seems to send mixed messages when those same people exhibit such hatred towards adults. Concern for fellow human beings does not have to stop once a person is no longer a child. If that were the case, maybe Caylee is much better off where she is.

You don't have to like every person on this earth, but you really should think about spreading hatred directed at people you don't even know...especially in situations where you don't have all the facts needed to condemn a person's soul. Always remember...every adult was once a child. Try to keep your emotions in check with that thought.

:twocents:

Wow! This is THE post of the week for me!

You are SO right - and I commend you for being brave enough to speak out!
:blowkiss:

 

[my_tee_mouse]

When questions like this arise on forums, I try to avoid all other answers, lest they influence my gut opinion, so, did CA "force" Casey to have Caylee?

Absolutely. Cindy is the strong-willed matriarch of that home. She has to be. Someone had to step up to the plate, and it is her. She comes into the role with a quiver full of negative weapons. Imparting guilt and threats of cutting off support might be two of them.

So Casey...who is so afraid of her mother that she cannot admit she's pregnant...is forced into admitting it. She's told by her mother that she WILL have the child and she WILL be a responsible parent.

Well she meets the first mandate. She has the child. She wants to meet the second mandate, but there's nothing in her raising to give her the means to do so. She's raised in an arena where she's a constant failure and dissapointment to her mother (who puts bread on the table) and a beautiful princess to her father (who oftentimes fails to carry his share of the parental load).

Casey knows that her best means of escape is avoidance...avoid her mother's rath, her criticism. Over the years she's learned to appeal to her father's weaknesses. She has learned that to withhold love from George and then to dangle it on a stick on front of him will garner her favor.

Within this family there is no sense of self, and thus Casey has none. She tries to find it by jumping from man to man...trying to find a stronger, younger version of her Dad. She desperately tries to mold herself into the version of herself that one partner and then the next will find appealing and acceptable. She tries to be the good girl. She tries to be the good mother. But underneath it all, she is Casey, who her mother has made her feel is a worthless blob. And she tries to blot that knowledge out with drugs and drink.

Casey is not a dumb girl by any means. Over the years she learns how to get the things she wants and needs, much in the same way the first cavemen learned how to hunt, plant and grow, skin and plow in order to meet their needs. Only now the ante is upped. Far more is needed than skins and fire and meals. And there's always that little problem of that little voice in your head that tells you that no matter how successful you are, it's not good enough.

She has the baby. This pleases her mother. Her daddy is thrilled. But as time goes on, it becomes obvious to Casey that the pleasure she's brought her parents is not by her acts but because of the child.

She wants to be a good mother. She wants to play the role, but she only has snippets of what a good mother should be. She wants to marry Jesse and have a happy home, but in the end she can't play out that role.

So she does what she does best. She avoids her mother's rath, and that requires a lot of lying. She tries to seek out a man who will fulfill all her needs...and her needs aren't even sexual. Sex is a means to an end. She needs a provider, a mainstay, someone who will fill in all the gaps in her upbringing. She flits from this one and that one. She cannot being to think of her daughter's needs at this point, because hers have not begun to be met. In her mind, if she can find a safe haven then her child will do so as well.

And then the day comes when this small child who she has borne is the sum and total of all that is wrong in her life. Because of her, her parents hold her feet to the fire. They expect her to be an adult (whatever the hell that is). Because of her, she cannot jump nightly into the pool that takes her away from her failures. Because of her she is now expected to know how to live in a world where she is alien and lost, to please the very people who brought her there.

And she strikes out against the one little person who could have saved her.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I do not believe that Cindy or anyone else could force Casey to do anything that Casey did not want to do...including having a baby. So my answer would have to be: No one forced Casey to have Caylee or to keep Caylee.

 

[Cerenity2u]

(bold mine) ITA w bolded! Very similar to my earlier post, tho you lose me from there. As self-centered as you paint her (and you'll get no disagreement from me!) I'm still left unable to fathom how KC could have thought "long" about murder, nor even done spur of the moment, w/out once for one moment considering her own miserable future. That's one helluva trade-off, even for 10 Minute KC. Are we to believe she traded the remainder of her life for what amounts to 30 days of Bella Vida? When she could've simply walked away--and had Bella Vida for the rest of her years. JMO

Hi Kiki :wave: Yes, I believe KC thought about killing Caylee, at least since last March, if not before. I'm basing this theory on the computer forensic reports that show searchs for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons along with missing children websites, and the 100th episode of "One Tree Hill" where the nanny kidnaps that child. I'm sure defense will have their explainations for these searches and in KC's favor, but I believe that Pros. will show that these searches are pieces of the puzzle that will lead to KC's conviction. I don't think KC thought about her future in the sense she would be spending the rest of her life in jail if she killed Caylee, she simply thought she would get away with it. She lived 31 days thinking she got away with it..proof was in her partying. When she stole and wrote checks from Amy's bank account, signing her own name...she obviously thought she would get away with it, when she stole from her grandparents, LA, CA, she thought she would get away with it. When she lied to investigators, she thought she would get away with it. KC does her nasty little deeds and never thinks about getting caught, she thinks she can twist, turn, talk, and place blame on others to "get away with it"...Hey, I never said she was the bright...LOL. When KC received her tatoo, it never crossed her mind that she only had a certain amount of time before the gig was up. She wasn't trading anything, she planned on living the life of miss little social bug, while basking in her high she got from showing CA who was the final boss...but like I said, this is all just my opinion, nothing more. Hope I am not confusing you any more...:crazy:

 

[Devon]

Hi Kiki :wave: Yes, I believe KC thought about killing Caylee, at least since last March, if not before. I'm basing this theory on the computer forensic reports that show searchs for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons along with missing children websites, and the 100th episode of "One Tree Hill" where the nanny kidnaps that child. I'm sure defense will have their explainations for these searches and in KC's favor, but I believe that Pros. will show that these searches are pieces of the puzzle that will lead to KC's conviction. I don't think KC thought about her future in the sense she would be spending the rest of her life in jail if she killed Caylee, she simply thought she would get away with it. She lived 31 days thinking she got away with it..proof was in her partying. When she stole and wrote checks from Amy's bank account, signing her own name...she obviously thought she would get away with it, when she stole from her grandparents, LA, CA, she thought she would get away with it. When she lied to investigators, she thought she would get away with it. KC does her nasty little deeds and never thinks about getting caught, she thinks she can twist, turn, talk, and place blame on others to "get away with it"...Hey, I never said she was the bright...LOL. When KC received her tatoo, it never crossed her mind that she only had a certain amount of time before the gig was up. She wasn't trading anything, she planned on living the life of miss little social bug, while basking in her high she got from showing CA who was the final boss...but like I said, this is all just my opinion, nothing more. Hope I am not confusing you any more...:crazy:

Bolded by me

So why did she spend all of that time hiding from CA then?

 

[wicket]

I think Casey thought if she pretended her pregnancy wasn't so, it wouldn't be. She didn't want to have to confront and deal with the issue until she was forced to do so.

I totally agree with Jolynna - I'll bet KC just lived in a strange self-made world that she just wasn't pregnant -so big deal, I was putting on weight and getting fatter, but hey, this is me - Casey - I always get what I want and I want not to be pregnant. Then giving birth all the attention was on her and then the baby. Then it was the baby and not her. Things shifted and she was expected to grow up and put on big girl pants.

But her parents had created a monster by giving KC all she wanted so that she would not take the baby away. The baby became the focal point of the family - a tug of war ensued - KC realized an opportunity when she saw it and pounced. As long as Caylee was in the home KC would be tolerated and pampered.

But now Caylee wanted to go out, party, sleep around -- KC has lived in another alternate world - whereas many of her friends have responsibilities, bills, classes to attend, work hours, etc. KC had none of that. She had a baby that was holding her back.

 

[passionflower]

But according to kc and la.........ca kept saying that CAYLEE WAS KC BIGGEST MISTAKE! and called kc an unfit mother..........(she nailed that on the head!)

 

[Cerenity2u]

Bolded by me

So why did she spend all of that time hiding from CA then?

I don't think she was hiding from CA at all...I think she just didn't give a darn about CA, GA or LA for that matter. She was too busy with her new bf, her new party friends, her new life. She wasn't worried about the A's at all, she just didn't want to be bothered by them, nor anyone else that didn't serve her purpose IMO.

 

[wicket]

Unsure if this is the place for this question: if this is such a dysfunctional family how did Lee escape (supposedly, maybe) unscathed? Was KC mentally unstable from an early age or did this all occur after Caylee's birth? Just how many secrets does Lee hold as to Casey's upbringing?

 

[TallyHo]

I do not believe that Cindy or anyone else could force Casey to do anything that Casey did not want to do...including having a baby. So my answer would have to be: No one forced Casey to have Caylee or to keep Caylee.

SS- I think you are absolutely right!! I say this as an adoptive mom who maintains a good relationship with my son's birthmother. To place a child for adoption requires a level of selflessness that Casey is not capable of. To place a child for adoption requires that you understand that this baby is more than a doll that you can dress up cute and play with when you want and throw out when you don't. I don't think Casey was capable of this either.