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Me too.Well add me to the list. 1st Degree!!!
Me too.Well add me to the list. 1st Degree!!!
well, if they are discussing if each of them sees a bat under pf shirt then, yup, could be awhile.It's a no-brainer for us because we've studied the evidence for almost a year, and it is a vast amount of evidence. It wouldn't surprise me if it takes longer than 4 hours but I hope not! MOO
well, if they are discussing if each of them sees a bat under pf shirt then, yup, could be awhile.
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Maybe he wrapped it in the sweater and then put it in the tote.If he did have a bat with him and it wasn't already in the home, it was in the tote to begin with. I always wondered if it was just already at her home by a door. But he could have put it in the tote. That would be the smartest thing to do
Probably. When I was on Grand Jury we all over analyzed everything, and we weren't even supposed to. We were just supposed to indict or not indict.It makes me nervous too. However, they may just need to go over everything the defense said and see what it looks like.
Aren’t the stills from the chest up? Like it doesn’t show his hands or below his chest area?
This jury is made up of mostly country people, right? If so I think they’re likely even more deliberate and less likely to rush a serious decision or come to one fast.
I’m good with that.
I feel like it's a slam dunk, but you never know.So, any thoughts guys as to anything the jury would possibly find questionable, as to PF’s guilt?
Does everyone here agree it’s a no brainer? Will the jury agree quickly?
With all the charges, will this make it longer to deliberate because they have to go through all of those?
Just rambling. It’s 1:15 in CO now. I feel like they’ll be back soon, based on other cases I’ve seen where the jury takes less than 4 hours. Curious as to @gitana1 ‘s thoughts on this.
ETA: gitana answered above
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how it happened.Maybe he wrapped it in the sweater and then put it in the tote.
IIRC, wasn't there evidence that PF brought in more than just one bat? And, I'm not talking about under his shirt.
I can't remember . . .
i think the issue may be that prosecution said there was a bat under shirt. defense said there was no bat in hand. "nothing in hand"IIRC, wasn't there evidence that PF brought in more than just one bat? And, I'm not talking about under his shirt.
I can't remember . . .
Yes, ma'am. Don't step away, Magz, you know what'll happen!MOO
No! Run like the wind to the courthouse as if the hounds of hell are at your feet.Do you guys think it’s too late to head to the courthouse?! I’m about half
Hour away
TOTAL=Votes for First Degree Murder = 43QUOTE]
No doubt 1st Degree! Total=32 votes!
Hey my husband says he wants to vote too!!
Guilty!!!
It would have taken me 4 days, not 4 hours.
I feel like it's a slam dunk, but you never know.
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Story updated with defense arguments, including #PatrickFrazee's attorney calling his client an idiot. Basic argument? Not enough physical evidence. #KelseyBerreth
1:17 PM - 18 Nov 2019
Kelsey Berreth murder case: Closing arguments begin in Teller County District Court
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The attorney also said testimony that Frazee once told a friend that he figured out a way to kill Berreth and that there’s no crime if there’s no body are examples of Frazee “acting a fool” and not proof of intent. Steigerwald also said the jury should not give too much weight to testimony Friday that Frazee asked a jailmate to kill investigators and witnesses in the case. The notes, which Steigerwald did not deny came from Frazee, are evidence of Frazee cracking under the stress of a potential life sentence, not proof that Frazee is a killer.
“It’s proof of him being an idiot,” Steigerwald said.
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(As if we needed any further proof!)[/QUOTE
Dont you just love defense attorney spin?