Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #28

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im not convinced this is the case but i can believe EG was strategic and manipulative enough to not hurt Lucas in front of JH ever. i am absolutely not saying this excuses JH from not noticing the abuse in other ways such as bruises on Lucas', family concerns etc. i am just saying i can see the possible scenario where does not witness it firsthand/its a scenario i can play out in my head as we work through this case. this scenario leaves me with one speculation and one question:

-speculation: if JH did question the bruises on Lucas, i could see EG manipulating this conversation into issues about "their relationship overall" and deflecting from Lucas. Again, not defending JH - he should have stayed focus on Lucas and his son's well being. but i can see a vindictive woman like EG steering the convo like this:

JH: where are these bruises from?
EG: boys get bruises. idk.
JH: (presses further/wants an answer from her) EG: we were at the park, he did fall off the slide (or other lame excuses)
JH: this seems to happen a lot, other people have noticed too
EG: other people like your family? theyll say anything bad about me
JH: thats not what im saying, im just saying JO mentioned last time...
EG: youre taking her side? im your partner, how can you value what she says over me.

**step 1 to deflecting this from Lucas, she starts to talk about how he should be valuing/loving her. all about her. always.**

EG: "oh and do you remember that time JO said this about my friends/job/something thats not about Lucas" or "when we started JO was always jealous, she did X thing that one time" or "your mom thinks X about me and is always cold to me"
**step 2, she takes something about JO/the woman she is jealous of and brings up an issue (that very well may not be a real issue/is in her head) unrelated to Lucas

....this convo spirals to things about how shes not accepted to the family, how he's always working and other relationship issues that arent relevant to Lucas. before you know it, they are both screaming and yelling about everything under the sun and the core issue/concern (LUCAS) is completely forgotten. not that this excuses JHs neglect toward Lucas, i just think it may be what happened. They then make a lame attempt to mend this entire conversation before he inevitably packs up for work within 1-2 weeks. he comes home again, things are golden for a few days and then repeat.....

-question: if/when they were fighting when JH was home, what did EG do to release her anger if Lucas couldnt be her punching bag/she was able to restrain herself from hurting him in front of JH? more drugs or drink a lot - maybe JH would get mad about that? maybe she stormed out for a few hours and spent money? hung out w ppl he didnt like/other guys? whatever she did, i bet it fueled more arguing between JH and EG.

I think that scenario is really plausible.

I would also question whether EG's alleged claims to JH that her relationship with the boys' father was 'abusive' either emotionally or physically might have been a way to discredit the ex in case he said something to JH to try to warn JH against her.
 
I want to point out that the homeless kid who EG had in the house (CR) was probably NOT the same man she saw outside with a woman. I'm guessing it could be if the guy came back at a later time, but from what I've gathered the picture of the couple was taken and sent to JH....
So, we know she told police about CR being in her house because they questioned him about Lucas, per our VI. We know she told them about the mystery couple because it's been in MSM. I don't think she would be claiming to not know who the couple was unless she saw the man again later and struck up a friendship, which I guess could be possible because as someone mentioned a few pages back, CR was known to frequent that area.

Anyway, my point is, right now everyone is just speculating that CR and the man from the mystery couple could be the same person. It hasn't been confirmed either way, but it seems like lots of people here are mistaking our speculation for fact.
 
I think that scenario is really plausible.

I would also question whether EG's alleged claims to JH that her relationship with the boys' father was 'abusive' either emotionally or physically might have been a way to discredit the ex in case he said something to JH to try to warn JH against her.
Absolutely! Is she was smart, she would have every angle covered. I’m not convinced that Emily is smarter than average but she’d have her manipulation game down to a science.
 
I want to point out that the homeless kid who EG had in the house (CR) was probably NOT the same man she saw outside with a woman. I'm guessing it could be if the guy came back at a later time, but from what I've gathered the picture of the couple was taken and sent to JH....
So, we know she told police about CR being in her house because they questioned him about Lucas, per our VI. We know she told them about the mystery couple because it's been in MSM. I don't think she would be claiming to not know who the couple was unless she saw the man again later and struck up a friendship, which I guess could be possible because as someone mentioned a few pages back, CR was known to frequent that area.

Anyway, my point is, right now everyone is just speculating that CR and the man from the mystery couple could be the same person. It hasn't been confirmed either way, but it seems like lots of people here are mistaking our speculation for fact.
Wichita police identify homeless man killed in hit-and-run
Here it is bright as day.
 
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I do not understand this:
(from NG podcast)


JH: She… she that’s about as far as I know, uh, I I only know that much because of what David had told me, that she had found him, uh, I guess in his bed one morning or one evening, not specific on that, but then she had panicked, and, she never really said why she panicked, but, that she had panicked and went and hid him.


JH: Only the same story of, you know, she woke up, she found him, and he was dead.. of… something, in the morning or at, in the evening, and that she panicked, and went and hid him.

Both of these statements are in response to NG asking JH what EG told him, so presumably, EG is the one being non-committal about what time of day it was when she found Lucas dead.

1) How on earth would anyone not have every detail branded into their grey matter for all time? (I know this is not reality, but still.)
2) How could anyone hear that and not question the holy heckity out of it? Really?
3) Why is her indecision important enough to JH that he mentions it twice in one interview.
4) Am I the only one that is picking up on his answers feeling very canned?
She had originally said that she took a nap and woke up around 6:00 p.m. to find Lucas gone. Emily then told the PI she woke up in the morning to find Lucas dead. I think it's the 2 stories he's referring to.
 
random input:

im not convinced this is the case but i can believe EG was strategic and manipulative enough to not hurt Lucas in front of JH ever. i am absolutely not saying this excuses JH from not noticing the abuse in other ways such as bruises on Lucas', family concerns etc. i am just saying i can see the possible scenario where does not witness it firsthand/its a scenario i can play out in my head as we work through this case. this scenario leaves me with one speculation and one question:

-speculation: if JH did question the bruises on Lucas, i could see EG manipulating this conversation into issues about "their relationship overall" and deflecting from Lucas. Again, not defending JH - he should have stayed focus on Lucas and his son's well being. but i can see a vindictive woman like EG steering the convo like this:

JH: where are these bruises from?
EG: boys get bruises. idk.
JH: (presses further/wants an answer from her) EG: we were at the park, he did fall off the slide (or other lame excuses)
JH: this seems to happen a lot, other people have noticed too
EG: other people like your family? theyll say anything bad about me
JH: thats not what im saying, im just saying JO mentioned last time...
EG: youre taking her side? im your partner, how can you value what she says over me.

**step 1 to deflecting this from Lucas, she starts to talk about how he should be valuing/loving her. all about her. always.**

EG: "oh and do you remember that time JO said this about my friends/job/something thats not about Lucas" or "when we started JO was always jealous, she did X thing that one time" or "your mom thinks X about me and is always cold to me"
**step 2, she takes something about JO/the woman she is jealous of and brings up an issue (that very well may not be a real issue/is in her head) unrelated to Lucas

....this convo spirals to things about how shes not accepted to the family, how he's always working and other relationship issues that arent relevant to Lucas. before you know it, they are both screaming and yelling about everything under the sun and the core issue/concern (LUCAS) is completely forgotten. not that this excuses JHs neglect toward Lucas, i just think it may be what happened. They then make a lame attempt to mend this entire conversation before he inevitably packs up for work within 1-2 weeks. he comes home again, things are golden for a few days and then repeat.....

-question: if/when they were fighting when JH was home, what did EG do to release her anger if Lucas couldnt be her punching bag/she was able to restrain herself from hurting him in front of JH? more drugs or drink a lot - maybe JH would get mad about that? maybe she stormed out for a few hours and spent money? hung out w ppl he didnt like/other guys? whatever she did, i bet it fueled more arguing between JH and EG.

This all sounds reasonable to me, it fits what we know of her personality.
I'm reminded of my ex-husband, reading your post. He was a master at deflecting the attention away from his own actions and making me feel like I was the villain.
One time he decided to cash his check immediately after work and buy beer for all his buddies. We couldn't pay the mortgage! By the end of that argument, I WAS APOLOGIZING to him. And for the life of me, I have no idea how, or why.
You literally fold, and it's like this weird blur. How did I get here? Gaslighting at it's finest.
The skill level - my god. If people like this would only use their powers for GOOD.

My answer to your question about how EG released her anger when JH was home and they were fighting? My guess is that they fought each other, physically. Police reports seem to back that up.
When he wasn't home, she 'fought' the closest thing to JH she had access to. Lucas. :(
 

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be dense, but I'm still not seeing how this proves that CR was at EG's house more than once. Not trying to be argumentative but just because we have two persons of the same race at a similar location on two different dates, doesn't mean it's the same guy.

Right now we know from the article that CR was killed in the accident. The PI claims in the podcast that CR was an overnight guest of EG who was interviewed by LE and didn't see LH in the home. Where is the source that says CR was also the man who was supposedly seen outside during the night by EG?
 
I think like other posters have said, JH is trying to work things out.
In the past week, I lost a young family member unexpectedly, who wasn't much older than Lucas, to a brief illness. We thought it was getting better, the doctors were positive that it wasn't a fatal condition and would respond well to treatment and he had a long normal life ahead of him, so because I was lucky enough to be in a position to do so, I stopped work to take care of him 24/7, because we all truly believed it was a blip and he just needed to get on the right course of treatment.
I'm sure anyone who's taken care of a sick relative can relate to this, but maybe more so if they're young - you have hope. So in JH's case, even if the child is missing, until that body is found, you have hope. It may be as plain as day that the child is more than likely deceased, but there's this hope that something will make it work out. Somehow.

In the past week where my family member went downhill, there was still hope, thinking back it was probably not as hopeful as we imagined, but the doctors were still none the wiser either - I think that's much like the situation with EG ; they didn't have concrete proof that she murdered him (nor do they yet) so JH would have that hopeful instinct to believe that EG wasn't responsible and it was all a terrible mix up and that maybe Lucas was OK etc.

In my case, my family member went down hill in a matter of hours, for reasons that have baffled even the specialists and even though they tried hard to save him, it was too much for him to survive and we had to make the decision to let him go.
When I was half asleep last night, processing everything that'd happened, my mind was still in the phase of "but we could..." then I remembered that no, it's now over with, he's passed. I think it's a natural inbuilt instinct where even though the circumstances change - a passing or the locating of Lucas, your mind still defaults to the buts, the maybes, the logical processing methods that you use when trying to solve a problem that has no reasonable answer. I think for JH that may be the case, as yes, he has more information, he knows EG placed the body in the culvert so he knows she's the last one to see him, that she held his dead body and that she hid it from him and didn't tell anyone Lucas was out there, but his brain is probably fighting that "But..what if..." motion.

I think a lot of people can relate to this comparison and whilst JH isn't an angel or even been a help to himself in this situation, I think the obvious fact is this is incredibly hard to process and he's not at his best whatsoever, no one thinks a situation will end in your partner having a hand in the death of your child, so he's going to come off as a whilst he works it out - but he's clearly having to process it, fight it and process it again, IMO anyway.

Well said. Some people are raised more functionally than others. Some develop these things over time, some never do. Just like young girls are more naive to being manipulated and used, so are young boys. Us older folks have been there, done that, and hopefully learned that. The first thing a manipulator does is isolate you from friends and family, so you only have them to rely on. Then, no matter how crazy their dysfunction becomes, there are no checks and balances against it. IMO, seems to be happening in many of these cases involving harm to children. The parent, who has been a decent parent, hooks up with a sociopath, and all heck breaks loose. IMO, there needs to be zero tolerance at the first sign of neglect or abuse, remove the child, mandatory counseling and classes, then supervision before returning the child. Not leaving said child in place while hoping it will be ok.
 
So the PI stated that Homeless Accident Victim was:

1. Overnight guest of EG after Lucas was gone, and

2. The man/woman that EG claimed to have seen/talked to earlier in the timeline?

So he was at EG's house twice? And if so, where did he get that information? From LE? Because if not LE, the alternative source would be....the lying meth heads, no?

(edited for clarity)
Eg's stories all intermingled to set this guy up. I'll bet she saw him by her home one night (maybe already knew him), then brought him home another night after Lucas was deceased. Now, she had a pic of him and now his DNA is in the home after Lucas is gone and the back door is ajar. She set this guy up imo. What a diabolical mind! It again becomes important to know what night the "strangers" she took a pic of outside her home were there. This leads me back to the 11th, after Lucas was already deceased. Her mind was planning. Then, I'm thinking she had this guy spend the night before she called in Lucas missing so that they found his DNA inside the home.
So, Lucas dies on the 11th
EG takes a pic of this guy in the wee hours of the 12th
EG brings this guy home for an all nighter on the 16th to (in reality) get his DNA and prints in the house.
EG calls LE saying Lucas is missing
 
LE and the DA's office actually put out statements specifically not giving it credence, and local MSM hasn't reported on it, which is what makes me scratch my head at the whole thing. LE/DA and local MSM have a good, respectful working relationship, so it would be very unusual, IMHO, for them to have released something to a national news source without also including the locals. But that is my opinion only and I really wish we still had a cow smiley.

Not to mention, NG says at the end of the podcast, "How do we know this? As of yet unconfirmed..."
 
So the PI stated that Homeless Accident Victim was:

1. Overnight guest of EG after Lucas was gone, and

2. The man/woman that EG claimed to have seen/talked to earlier in the timeline?

So he was at EG's house twice? And if so, where did he get that information? From LE? Because if not LE, the alternative source would be....the lying meth heads, no?

(edited for clarity)

IIRC the PI only said there was a homeless guy who was a house guest at some point. NG asked the PI if he thought maybe EG was trying to set up the homeless guy as a scapegoat and the PI said he strongly thought that could be the case.

The PI didn't mention the man and woman strangers outside to my recollection.
 
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