Found Deceased Ks - Lucas Hernandez, 5, Wichita, 17 Feb 2018 #32

[margarita25]

I also don't think he had anything to do with Lucas' death and wanted answers.
However, I think this doesn't have to be an either-or situation with JH being either a sinner or a saint--I know you weren't saying that either, just clarifying my position.

I can see how she lied and he was inclined to believe her; I can also see that he knew she had a temper.

I think he had clear ideas about what his role was and what hers should have been and that they were probably based on some more traditional ideas with him thinking that he was modern enough to "let" her do some things she wanted to do. No excuse for EG, but that can be a stifling position for a woman; some women will resign, some will look for healthy outlets, and others will act out.

I think his treatment of JO regarding custody and the disappearance of Lucas displayed a greater belief in EG as well as a level of frustration or dissatisfaction with JO -- he got his act together to gain custody of Lucas and she had her struggles. I think he thought he was a better person and parent than JO.

I think even if he didn't know everything going on with EG (highly likely), he had behaviors of his own that contributed to the family tension.

Regardless of his intentions for going to the house that night, what did he expect was going to happen? Perhaps not suicide, but did he think he would just crash there -- with no conversation? No way -- he was either wanting to confront her or be consoled by her or … ?

JH has personality traits that made it extremely easy for EG to latch on. There were no boundaries with these two -- completely enmeshed. Both of them fed each other's egos. I think it's possible EG knew something about him that he doesn't want the world to know, possibly something the two of them did together. JMO

“I think it's possible EG knew something about him that he doesn't want the world to know, possibly something the two of them did together. JMO”

Hmmmmm...

How would/could this possibly relate to Lucas’ death? I can see EG doing things to Lucas, not sure about JH...

Again I wonder who all came to that house, why and when.

 

[Busylady]

Could the house move have had anything to do with this? I don't know how far they moved. For instance was it to move to a new school or doctor or away from someone threatening to report something.

Lucas stayed in the same school. I don't think the move was very far. Could be they got tired of neighbors calling police, not as many neighbors to hear your activities in a house vs apartment.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

So, like I said, I had to pass on the NG colonoscopodcast (haha), what do you think NG's opinion of JH is? This ain't her first rodeo...

I wonder that as well, and I'm conflicted.
NG does not mince words or spare people -- or at least she didn't on her other show.
I ask myself, "What if this were a woman letting the man who hid her son's body back in the house?" Would NG accept the same circumstances?
She may identify with JH since her own dad travelled often for work, as she's mentioned several times--one thing she hasn't done is criticize JH & JO for not having custody earlier or JO for not having residential custody, possibly because she was raised in part by her relatives. So many on SM have criticized them and looked for guilt solely for those reasons, and NG hasn't gone there.

Another thing I wonder -- she wants him to talk. And talk and talk and talk. Because she thinks there's more to it, and if there's a bombshell to be had or a trap to catch him, she wants it to happen on her show.

JMO

 

[margarita25]

If someone I loved dumped my childs body, lied to me for three months do not think the thought would even enter my mind to speak to the person ever again, defend that person for any of their behavior, let alone stay in the same house even for a night with that person. Trying to get information? If she lied to you for three months you think she is gonna fess up to details now? That person would be out of my life for good. Something just isn't right with this entire picture.

“Something just isn't right with this entire picture.”

Well said.

 

[motheroffour]

So, like I said, I had to pass on the NG colonoscopodcast (haha), what do you think NG's opinion of JH is? This ain't her first rodeo...

NG seems to sincerely have compassion and empathy for JH. I’ve seen her in action with someone she believes is lying and IMO she doesn’t have doubts as to the validity of his story.

 

[margarita25]

So can anyone here comment on his overall level of intelligence/IQ? Seriously. I’m asking this. How smart do you think this guy is in your opinions?
(I mean duh we all know he left his child with EG, and didn’t see the abuse, etc but I’m talking strictly intellect, IQ, mental capacity, not related to emotion and aside from him leaving Lucas with EG, etc. In other words, is he smart in any way? Any chance there is some dishonesty and manipulation going in here, or is he not capable of being smart enough to fool others, etc?

 

[margarita25]

NG seems to sincerely have compassion and empathy for JH. I’ve seen her in action with someone she believes is lying and IMO she doesn’t have doubts as to the validity of his story.

That’s what I thought from reading the comments, etc here. Thanks for your reply.

 

[motheroffour]

5-year-old Lucas Hernandez's dad tells Nancy Grace about the night Emily Glass died

Maybe, I have the dumbs, today. But... doesn't this make it sound like Emily had a boyfriend.

"The gun found next to Emily Glass' body was "a short assault rifle" that belonged to her boyfriend, according to the father of 5-year-old Lucas Hernandez, the boy who went missing in February and was later discovered dead."

I know that it's JH's gun... the wording is strange and slightly confusing.


And, how did he know what one of the suicide notes said, but not the other two? *scratches head*

It asked that the ring be given to the couple's 1-year-old daughter when she was older, Jonathan Hernandez said he was told. He said he doesn't know what the other two said or where police found them.

He did say that he ran outside and called 911 when he realized it was EGs body. Maybe he didn’t go back in until LE got there or maybe not even then. I’m sure his head was pretty messed up, I know mine would be if I walked in on a suicide by firearm within two weeks of my sons body being found under a bridge after three months of looking. I know the growing popular thing here lately is to see JH as a one dimensional bad guy but, how much can one person handle? He is human and he has lost whatever normalcy he had in his life so I’ll cut him slack for not knowing what the notes said. It was a crime scene and the dispatcher may have told him to remain outside awaiting the arrival of LE for all we know.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

I think everyone agrees EG was a controlling person. I think this is why he allowed her back into the house.

I think she was homeless when he found her because her family knew what kind of person she currently had become. They would not support her with whatever life style she was living. Alot of controlling people are charismatic. That is how they pull you into their life. So when the negative narcissistic behavior happens you are stuck with no way easy way out.

I have been in this kind of relationship in the past. It took me years to get out of it. Controlling people are poison. They thrive on making you feel like you are unworthy of anything and they are the best. They berate you until they break your spirit.

I think this is JH right now. She controlled him. IMO he didnt have anything on him... The violence in the relationship was all part of the controlling. She used her control to get back into the house. I believe his statement about her family putting her out and turning their back on her after she lead DM to LHs location.

I also believe she read all the comments about her on the Internet and realized how people felt about her and her lies. She knew eventually the COD would be released and she didn't want locked up again. Ending it where jonathan would find her was her final control.

I couldn’t have said it better. I have said we have brilliant people here. You are a fine example.

 

[margarita25]

So LE says JH has been “absolutely cooperative” (of course it’s still an open investigation), and NG didn’t reem him a new one... this makes me feel insecure about some things. Maybe everything is all just as it is. He was in an abusive, disfunctional relationship, he’s a total dumbass and in denial, shock, love and should have protected Lucas but he didn’t want to see it or a chance accept he abuse, EG didn’t want to go to jail, end of story. How much of my life’s hours am I going to ponder all this lol.

 

[margarita25]

I can't wrap my mind around this. If he had said that she was on the lease, etc, and he couldn't control the situation of her staying there, I could've understood that. If he said he didn't want her there, but felt powerless, I could get that. I didn't see that he said anything like that.

My ex husband ran my vehicle into a curb and got a DUI with my 12 year old daughter in the car. She was unharmed, but I felt like I could've physically attacked him. I didn't. I guess I showed some kindness when I packed a backpack, and I put in some clothes, a thermos of coffee, and a paper back book for him to read while he sat his butt on the street, because that's where he was going. When he showed up at the house later that night after being processed for the DUI, I met him at the door, handed him the backpack, and told him to beat it. After endangering my daughter, I didn't care where he went or what he did. My name was on the mortgage, not his, and maybe he was too ashamed or ignorant to fight being booted. Idk, but I never let him cross the threshold again and filed for divorce. I just can't wrap my head around any LESS of a reaction for what EG did, which was FAR WORSE, even if he believed the "woke up and found him" story. That, BTW, is a possibility. But if she found him dead in bed, based on their history, I fully believe her actions still led to his death. It makes me so angry. Ugh! Poor Lucas! Baby, I'm sorry you suffered here on Earth. You are so loved on Earth and in heaven! Fly with the angels, sweet boy!!

(Omgosh, I totally forgot about my ex before my last ex I mentioned lol, he did something similar and it was the end of our relationship.)

 

[Charliegizmo49]

This is speculation so I hope it is within TOS. My opinion/speculation only based on trying to understand how and why JH would give EG the benefit of doubt.

What if Lucas was harmed in some way prior to JH returning to his job? Would that give JH reason to NOT accept EG killed Lucas? That Lucas died from a prior incident, which is why EG 'only' panicked and hid Lucas's body.

It’s possible because we don’t know. However it’s far more likely ______hit the fan because of the incident with her boys and she waited until he left to go to work and began systematically to hurt an innocent. She was;

Conniving;

A proficient liar;

A convincing manipulator;

Most likely deviant;

A closeted abuser;

And a user if mutiple mixed illegal drugs;

Violent;

And had a reputation for a hot temper;

Lacked conscience;

Probably lacking in guilt and soul.

She waited until the time was right to inflict the maximum amount of pain possible.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

I've found this statement from him (before Lucas' body was found) but it's not responsibility:

KAKE New spoke with the boy's father, Johnathan Hernandez. During our interview we asked him if Glass abused the child. We made him aware his family members reached out to us about the possible abuse.

"I'm sorry that they did and that really pisses me off. Only because it seems like it's about something else and it's not happening now," Hernandez said. "Now, if you want to bring that up later that's fine. That's a whole separate issue. I think it's taking away from what's happening and I don't appreciate it. Not from my family, not from strangers."

...We're learning more about the child's home environment. According to police records between February 2016 to December 2017 police responded to at least four domestic violence calls involving Glass and Johnathan Hernandez at their home.

Missing Wichita boy's father believes son is still alive

BBM.
"It seems like it's about something else" - Meaning -
1. I can't believe my family is making this about their thoughts and feelings and looking for ways to get their names in the paper when the most important thing right now is finding Lucas.
2. They're behind this and they're spreading lies about Emily so when Lucas is found where ever they hid him, they'll try to keep him.

"It's not happening now" -- Meaning --
1. It was happening and I handled it -- it's in the past. Whatever happened in the past is not the priority today, which is finding my missing son.
2. This is all made-up family drama -- never happened, isn't happening, and this is a distraction from finding Lucas.

What do you all think?

"Now, if you want to bring that up later that's fine. That's a whole separate issue."
Later when? When Lucas is found alive? Or dead?
Is it ok to bring up now? Why isn't NG in particular pushing it? No one local can bring it up now because it's too polarizing -- they will be accused of attacking a grieving father.

He's opened himself up to having that conversation, so IMO if he keeps showing up for interviews, it's time to have it. What did you think was happening? Ultimately, what do you think happened?

 

[Busylady]

So LE says JH has been “absolutely cooperative” (of course it’s an open investigation), and NG didn’t reem him a new one... this makes me feel insecure about some things. Maybe everything is all just as it is. He was in an abusive, disfunctional relationship, he’s a total dumbass and in denial, shock, love and should have protected Lucas but he didn’t want to see it or a chance accept he abuse, EG didn’t want to go to jail, end of story. How much of my life’s hours am I going to ponder all this lol.

Problem I have with NG is she doesn't ask any of the hard questions that would give a more accurate picture about what went on in the home. Instead she is focusing on comparing JH with losing the love of his life like she did when her Keith was murdered.
Do research before interview and ask the right questions regarding domestic violence calls, his upcoming battery of a child charges, when he was home and Lucas was bruised, vomitting, and losing weight did he take him to the Dr and what did the Dr say, why did you cut off family when they brought abuse allegations to you, did DCF interview you with regards to the two reports made to them, what type of drugs and alcohol did you use while caring for the children, how did you obtain custody of Lucas, what were the arrangements for JO to see Lucas did you communicate with JO about Lucas or did EG, if I can get court transcripts and police reports regarding players in this case so can she.

 

[margarita25]

I've found this statement from him (before Lucas' body was found) but it's not responsibility:

KAKE New spoke with the boy's father, Johnathan Hernandez. During our interview we asked him if Glass abused the child. We made him aware his family members reached out to us about the possible abuse.

"I'm sorry that they did and that really pisses me off. Only because it seems like it's about something else and it's not happening now," Hernandez said. "Now, if you want to bring that up later that's fine. That's a whole separate issue. I think it's taking away from what's happening and I don't appreciate it. Not from my family, not from strangers."

...We're learning more about the child's home environment. According to police records between February 2016 to December 2017 police responded to at least four domestic violence calls involving Glass and Johnathan Hernandez at their home.

Missing Wichita boy's father believes son is still alive

Sigh, oh booooy do I remember this statement...It rubs me the wrong way too!!!

 

[margarita25]

Maybe she wasn't happy about it at first, but I think it suited her. She could have days to take a break from the act and "relax" into her true nature. She could talk to who she wanted, go where she wanted, do what she wanted without answering to anyone. Does anyone know when he started travelling out of state for work? I'm actually wondering if his start date coincides with the end or reduction of DV calls to the home.

Again, as usual, wondering if she was seeing someone else.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

“I think it's possible EG knew something about him that he doesn't want the world to know, possibly something the two of them did together. JMO”

Hmmmmm...

How would/could this possibly relate to Lucas’ death? I can see EG doing things to Lucas, not sure about JH...

Again I wonder who all came to that house, why and when.

The way JO made it sounds, Lucas was living in fear of JH going to jail -- WHY? What did EG say? Did she threaten JH with turning him in on something frequently? Or did EG just use that to terrorize Lucas? "You tell and your daddy goes to jail"

JH doing "something" -- Not necessarily anything to do with Lucas' death, just big. Or big enough that if EG was going to the big house she wouldn't go alone before hell froze over. Like maybe she was the type of personality to say, "That was an accident" or "I panicked and shouldn't have. But you think I'm bad? Listen to what this SOB did" Perhaps a federal crime?

Or maybe the thought occurred to him that she could turn him in for lesser sentence in the Lucas case... or blame everything on him and accuse him of abuse and claim battered wife and she was doing what he told her... or whatever.

Guilty conscience doesn't always listen to reason. There's a reason (besides the possible murder of a child and hiding of his body) why people involved in larger scale crimes might easily cop to charges like smoking bowls and driving around with a kid afterwards - only to have the community divided on the legality, fairness, etc -- that made her a poster child in some eyes for fighting harder to legalize mj.

There's a reason some won't dare to utter suspicions, no matter how upset or disgusted or afraid they are -- they're thinking of their own butts as well as the butts of scarier people and what will happen to their own butts if their actions resulted in bigger, scarier butts getting caught. Just a thought...???

 

[margarita25]

Well, Dejavu, like I said about EG after hoooours of discussing her death, I think I’ve had about all I can stand of talking about JH for now. Going to take a much needed break and take the dogs out, etc. Again, I really appreciate the discussion and the folks here. Have a wonderful day. Will be checking in later, I’m sure.

Love for Little Lucas!

 

[margarita25]

The way JO made it sounds, Lucas was living in fear of JH going to jail -- WHY? What did EG say? Did she threaten JH with turning him in on something frequently? Or did EG just use that to terrorize Lucas? "You tell and your daddy goes to jail"

JH doing "something" -- Not necessarily anything to do with Lucas' death, just big. Or big enough that if EG was going to the big house she wouldn't go alone before hell froze over. Like maybe she was the type of personality to say, "That was an accident" or "I panicked and shouldn't have. But you think I'm bad? Listen to what this SOB did" Perhaps a federal crime?

Or maybe the thought occurred to him that she could turn him in for lesser sentence in the Lucas case... or blame everything on him and accuse him of abuse and claim battered wife and she was doing what he told her... or whatever.

Guilty conscience doesn't always listen to reason. There's a reason (besides the possible murder of a child and hiding of his body) why people involved in larger scale crimes might easily cop to charges like smoking bowls and driving around with a kid afterwards - only to have the community divided on the legality, fairness, etc -- that made her a poster child in some eyes for fighting harder to legalize mj.

There's a reason some won't dare to utter suspicions, no matter how upset or disgusted or afraid they are -- they're thinking of their own butts as well as the butts of scarier people and what will happen to their own butts if their actions resulted in bigger, scarier butts getting caught. Just a thought...???

“Or maybe the thought occurred to him that she could turn him in for lesser sentence in the Lucas case... or blame everything on him and accuse him of abuse and claim battered wife and she was doing what he told her... or whatever. “

Hmmm, interesting thoughts...
(Get me outttaaaa heeere...lol)

 

[hopingicanhelp]

So can anyone here comment on his overall level of intelligence/IQ? Seriously. I’m asking this. How smart do you think this guy is in your opinions?
(I mean duh we all know he left his child with EG, and didn’t see the abuse, etc but I’m talking strictly intellect, IQ, mental capacity, not related to emotion and aside from him leaving Lucas with EG, etc. In other words, is he smart in any way? Any chance there is some dishonesty and manipulation going in here, or is he not capable of being smart enough to fool others, etc?

I'm no expert. All JMO
My view of that has shifted. In the beginning, I didn't have much of an opinion on his intelligence and was leaning toward "sucker", but his outbursts on SM sometimes made me question his impulse control in intense emotional situations -- it didn't jive with his first interview. BUT looking purely at emotional roller coasters, that's understandable -- intense emotion alternating with exhaustion and numbness.

Listening to him talk, I think he's of average or above intelligence. I think he's being more careful, thinking before he speaks -- not a bad thing (and it's something I have to do, my verbal fluency is not great). His word choice and manner of speaking indicates a decent sized vocabulary. His decisions seem logical to him -- he explains when asked but doesn't immediately offer an explanation as if to justify his decision. He seems more of a practical than emotional person -- he tries to use reason and be practical. I can see that in his allowing EG to use the home if he's not staying there and rent's being paid -- I think he was more concerned about her being homeless and OD'ing or someone murdering her, tbh. I think he didn't want it on him if something happened to her because she was on the street.

However, people who try to remove emotion from their thinking and just be practical sometimes fall the hardest when their emotions do become involved -- they don't know what to make of it or how to separate thought from emotion. It either "makes sense" or it doesn't, but they sometimes don't know they're basing that sense on emotion rather than intellect or logic.

JMO