KS - Patricia Kimmi, 58, Horton, 6 Nov 2009 - #1

[eyestowardHeaven]

Having had to deal with your father's drinking, lies, and fights (to say the least) it's no wonder your mother was so cautious.. She sounds like such a strong woman, i respect her a lot hearing that she would just turn the other cheek, never stand up for herself or fight back. She truly does live by the Good Book, that is clear. It sounds like alcohol brought out the devil in your father. For all she went through with him, she was obviously the better, stronger person out of it, he would look like the bad one for what he said and did. I understand that you would get mad when she didn't stand up for herself, if it was my mother, i would have felt the same. Your mom may have not felt the need to stick up for herself as she knew that those who knew her, know the truth that she was a good religious woman who would never cheat, and followed what the bible says.
Did your father only get like this when he was drinking? Alcohol does some really horrible things to people, i have a friend whose mother stayed with an physically abusive alcoholic husband for years (they had finally seperated yet not divorced) she was a devout Catholic who believed that she loved him for life and that they were married for life, despite his abusiveness and drinking.
It's understandable that you all were in a comfort zone having her close to you, and farther away from him after the divorce.

Does the date that your mother got abducted coincidence with any dates that may have been important to her and your father in the past?
For example, around the day or date they first met, got engaged, got married (anniverary dates); or any dates (this is for your father's side only now) that would have been emotionally devastating for him, such as the death of a parent, etc?

He was drunk a lot...maybe truly sober one day a week...sometimes gone to who-knows-where for 2 or 3 days at a time. I'm not really sure what kind of person he is when he's not drinking.

I don't know of any dates relating to Mom or "dad" that would coincide w/ this happening. The date that means the most to all of our family is that Taylor, my niece, passed away 2 yrs ago on Nov. 8, the anniversary falling 2 days after Mom was abducted.

 

[bowmancabin]

I expect this has already been done..
but there are 2 casinos within 5-10 miles of Pat's house...
+ another about 20-30 miles south...
has the security at the casinos been asked if they have seen dually PU's &/or watch for any dually PU's.
have the dealers been asked if they have seen money clip & hat.
ditto on all bars & liquor stores...Horton, Hiawatha, Fairview, Holton, Atchison, etc.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

That road is more travelled than one would think. The travel doesn't just come from the two houses along that one section of road, but also other sections farther to the west. And with harvest and hunting season approaching there were always more cars.

Rita....I can't remember the weather on that Friday/Saturday...but I have been thinking about all of this alot. Did your Mom have a wood burning fireplace? Just wondering if she might have gone outside for something like wood...or hearing a commotion around her animals, and then been startled? You said she could easily hear a car approaching...but maybe the vehicle didn't go up to her driveway and actually parked down where the other scuffle happened down the road.

I know you have been wracking your brain for who she might open the door to. But it seems like it is possible that she didn't open the door to anyone...and was surprised by someone when she was outside.

I layed awake a long, long time last night. And kept thinking about all of this.

The weather was really nice. I remember it was almost hot on that Saturday we found her missing. She does have a fireplace but it's gas. The only reason I can think of that she was outside would be with the dog...but the dog was inside the house.

We really think there was only one person involved in this, so they would almost have to have driven up the driveway. I don't think there's any way they would have wanted to take her from the house and walk her down the long driveway, and then another half mile down the road. I just can figure out how they got her to open the door.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

This is just general information (Rita can confirm it).
I was looking at a map.
It looks like there are only 2 houses west of US 159 in Atchison County.
Pat's house + 1 house.
I assume there would be very minimal 'traffic' along the road although it was 'harvest time' & their may have been some farmers in the fields even after dark.
This only reinforces the idea that Pat would be very cautious if she saw a vehicle or person that she did not know.

I don't recall Mom ever mentioning that there was a lot of traffic on the road, although a close neighbor says there's a lot that goes on around the next intersection to the west - vehicles sitting there, possible drug activity, although no other neighbors have mentioned this.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

I'm so sorry your family had to live like that. I can see why she was overly cautious.

I know there was some kind of scuffle on the front porch. I don't recall if there was a scuffle inside. Was there signs the perp had been inside, or did everything take place outside?

The reason I'm asking is that is it possible the perp was already inside her house when she came home? Someone could have dropped the perp off so that there wouldn't be a car/truck sitting outside for her to see when she got home. Then the driver of the car/truck could have come back after them.

Just a thought.

I don't think there was someone waiting inside the house, but it is possible someone was waiting around the house somewhere, I guess. I don't know that any footprints were found other than our own around the house.

 

[wfgodot]

Any outlaw biker clubs riding in NE KS? If this was an abduction that was hired out to a second party, they'd naturally fall under suspicion because they are known to take that sort of "job."

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

I happened to see this thread and could not stop reading.

One question I wanted to ask is whose blood was on the porch? Even if it were dried, a presumptive swab would tell right away if it was blood rather than some sort of stain. A scrape of the blood would be taken to the lab and with the help of family DNA, it could be determined whether or not it belonged to Patricia.

Of course I do not know what signs of a struggle there was, but could someone have hit her over the head? Punched her in the face? Was there a lot of blood or just a little meaning small droplets?

As for the hat and the money clip, the only criminal that would not realize his ballcap was missing would be a drunk or drugged one - or just dumb beyond words. Was the money clip found close to the cap? If there was no money in the money clip, it is possible that it was a keepsake someone kept in their pocket, or put there to incriminate someone else. IDK, I can see one item being dropped near the home, but two is very unusual.

Was there much liquid left in the pop can? Was the computer turned off? If the computer was still on, a movement of the mouse would have shown what website Patricia was on. Also, the internet service provider would show what time she logged on that evening. If the computer was not on, then I think the attack would have come not too long after she got home and was about to settle into her place at the computer.

Could Patricia have run through her yard and run that 1/2 mile down the road only to be caught up with there? I know her scent stopped at the sidewalk as if she had gotten into a vehicle, but that scent may not have been left there that night; just in the last day or so. If she was in a vehicle, is it that she jumped out 1/2 mile down the road? If she were already injured, jumping out of the vehicle could have injured her further. Especially if it were a high off the ground truck.

What time does Patricia's mail come every day? Was she maybe going to her mailbox after getting home and someone ran over her? Then she gets back as far as her front door and that person comes back, panics, and realizes she is badly hurt? This person is maybe drinking and does not want to get blamed and so he takes her somewhere?

Does anyone living on the same road sell hay? When my late husband and myself lived in our house in the country, a lot of people drove past our house enroute to our neighbors half a mile down the road to buy hay. There would be every description and color of trucks - even duallys (sp.).

I have posed these questions because so much is unknown. There are more questions than answers.

Most often, it is someone close to a missing individual that is responsible for a disappearance, or at least someone that person knows. In this case, I'm sorry, but I believe this was either Patricia's ex-husband or someone he hired to do this.
Also, the cap and the money clip are suspicious. I can see there being one of these items left, but not two.

My prayers are with Patricia's family and friends. I simply cannot imagine the nightmare they are living daily. GB them all, and may there be a resolution soon.

If there are lab results back, LE is not saying. Believe me, we ask them every day. I would say the blood at the house looks like someone had a very small injury, some droplets.

I can't say what is on her computer because LE took it. Her can of pop was probably 3/4 full and not warm but not cold either.

I don't know what time her mail comes but she would have gotten it on her way in or out of the driveway in her jeep, I didn't know her to walk down just to get the mail. I don't believe she was walked or chased any great distance. I think at the 2nd scene down the road, she escaped the vehicle and was running back towards the house.

Is this monster stupid? Maybe, maybe not. I think he was definitely not prepared for her to fight back the way she did and in the struggle, she bailed out of the vehicle and belongings were left. He catches up with her, gets her back in, and they vanish.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

I was thinking the same thing.. This is either someone who is very clumsy.. or some kind of set up... I'm wondering if fingerprints were found on the money clip?

LE isn't telling us what they have back yet.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

I expect this has already been done..
but there are 2 casinos within 5-10 miles of Pat's house...
+ another about 20-30 miles south...
has the security at the casinos been asked if they have seen dually PU's &/or watch for any dually PU's.
have the dealers been asked if they have seen money clip & hat.
ditto on all bars & liquor stores...Horton, Hiawatha, Fairview, Holton, Atchison, etc.

I think the casinos have been checked, unfortunately some don't keep their surveillance video very long so that was a dead end. Some bars and liquor stores, but probably not all have been checked yet. Unfortunately, a lot of people say, "I KNOW I've seen that money clip somewhere", but there are probably a LOT of similiar ones out there. I think it would be very hard to identify the money clip for sure by knowing that the date on it is 1922.

 

[raeann]

There is a new missing person case in Hannibal MO of a young woman that happened (if i have all my dates correct) just two weeks to the day after PK went missing. It is a very different kind of circumstance, younger woman walking home from a bar, but the map locations are almost directly in a line from Horton, KS to Hannibal, MO. and only a few hours drive apart by car. Hopefully, both will be found soon.
jmoo

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

Any outlaw biker clubs riding in NE KS? If this was an abduction that was hired out to a second party, they'd naturally fall under suspicion because they are known to take that sort of "job."

I think the only bikers I saw in town were on Veteran's day following her abduction, but they were riding in a parade, I believe.

And I want to say again, I know my "dad" didn't do this himself, due to the fact that Mom would not have opened the door to him.

I do think it's possible he just talked too much somewhere to somebody about how much he hated her, told a good story about how she took everything frrom him, made them think she has a lot of money, or that she's a horrible person...who knows how much information he gave somebody...I'm sure he doesn't even remember.

 

[eyestowardHeaven]

There is a new missing person case in Hannibal MO of a young woman that happened (if i have all my dates correct) just two weeks to the day after PK went missing. It is a very different kind of circumstance, younger woman walking home from a bar, but the map locations are almost directly in a line from Horton, KS to Hannibal, MO. and only a few hours drive apart by car. Hopefully, both will be found soon.
jmoo

Thank you for that information - I'll look into it. There also is a somewhat similar case about a man named David Cook, who I believe is also from Missouri, although that case is a year old.

I thank God every day that Mom fought back and there was a 2nd crime scene because if she hadn't, we'd have NOTHING to go on.

 

[Shelby1]

I live about 200 miles south of Horton, KS and have been following along from down here.

Everyone has had such great thoughts and suggestions.

I, too, live in a very rural place and it's almost deer season. I hope that all of the hunters up there keep their eyes open for any kind of clues.

Your mom has the prettiest blue eyes. In googling, I ran across a picture of your brother (I think). He has her eyes.

I pray that she's found!! Don't give up hope. Miracles happen every day!!!!

 

[LaLaw2000]

Well, it is just that someone wanted Patricia. They wanted her, not possessions inside her home or money. No one ransacked her home, so it was not for theft or burglary, IMO.

This just has to be someone she knows, IMO. I hope I am wrong.

MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

Rita,
what evidence was there of a scuffle down the road? Was there more blood found? Beaten down grass? Tire skid marks? etc?

 

[Shelby1]

Are there any old salt mines near there??? Any mining shafts of any type???

 

[MeoW333]

Would it be possible that the perp wore the money clip on his hat? and that during a scuffle with your mother, the hat was knocked off his head, the money clip seperating from the hat? The perp may have had to choose either retrieve his hat and money clip and risk your mother escaping him again, so that is why maybe he couldn't get the hat & money clip and left them behind..?

 

[wfgodot]

Another word on that Peace Dollar money-clip and why it's not much of a defining clue: the 1922 Peace Dollar---the coin the clip was made from---was by far the largest of the issues of that coin (basic run of Peace Dollars was from 1921 to 1935).

I think the mint info, where it was coined, is on the reverse, so I couldn't tell, but it more than likely is from the Philadelphia mint, which issued 51,737,000 of the coins. (The Denver and SF mints, combined, issued just over 32,500,000.*) So, with such large production, many of the 1922 coins have subsequently been made into money-clips. I collect coins and I've seen these before---lots of them at coin shows, etc.

(*so, in 1922, over 84 million silver dollars were coined; the next-largest year was the 1923, which saw 56 million+ issued)

 

[MeoW333]

He was drunk a lot...maybe truly sober one day a week...sometimes gone to who-knows-where for 2 or 3 days at a time. I'm not really sure what kind of person he is when he's not drinking.

I don't know of any dates relating to Mom or "dad" that would coincide w/ this happening. The date that means the most to all of our family is that Taylor, my niece, passed away 2 yrs ago on Nov. 8, the anniversary falling 2 days after Mom was abducted.

The only reason i ask about these different dates is to see if there are any that would be stressors for your father, and coincide with the timing of your mother going missing.
How did the passing of your niece affect your father? Did it affect him at all?
The motive in this case seems to be to take your mother, and soley that. A killer for hire would have just done murder anywhere, even in a house.
If they are for hire they may be either trained enough to not leave evidence in a house, or sloppy enough to do so and not care..
There was no robbery, i would rule out theft, not to mention if theft was the robbery, the easiest way would be to do that when your mother wasn't home. Anyone who knew her would know Sundays she went to church, etc and know when she wouldn't be home..

It seems the point of the perp was to "take her" away.. the only thing left for me to think of is they were bringing her to someone else, someone would couldn't be seen around the area, as they would be recognized, either by your mother or other locals..

Whoever abducted her was probably surprised she was such a fighter. I don't think the abducter was very skilled in the sense that there was evidence left behind down the road. Almost sounds like she either had 1 abducter or possibly 2, a man and a woman.. if an abducter grabbed someone, they would want to have control over who they grabbed, either have someone else hold a gun on them or have a vehicle (like a van) that they can't escape out of; or incapacitate the victim for transport.
Since your mother is a fighter, and the abducter didn't incapacitate her for transport, she did escape down the road briefly.
As for the type of vehicle that was seen, the dually, i believe a lot of them have quad cabs sometimes. Whether she was in the front or the back of the car, i don't know.. however she did manage to escape down the road.
IMO, i think whoever took her is not skilled in abductions. They didn't realize they had a fighter on their hands. It very well may be their blood droplets on the porch..
If the kidnappers were "hired" i doubt they are professional kidnappers, imo. It sounds more like they have never kidnapped before and were "helping" a friend by doing the deed for cash..

At this point, i am wondering if a woman was involved?
Would your mother have opened the door or went outside if a woman pretended to need help for an injured animal?

Since your mother was so cautious, it seems she wouldn't open the door to a strange man, however if a woman was at the door or outside feigning that she needed help (for example pretending she had a hurt animal) maybe a woman would have let some of your mother's guard down? I'm trying to think of scenarios where your mother would go outside or to the doorway without her cell phone..

 

[MeoW333]

My apologies for my long posts, i just wanted to add that the suspicious truck, the dually that was seen..
If it was involved, would it be possible the perp(s) needed a dually to transport your mother somewhere that a 4wheel drive vehicle would be needed to get to? Like a cabin in the woods? Somewhere that wouldn't have a paved road and a car wouldn't be able to take it?