Kyron's doctors appointment

[CCup]

And would a physician send pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher to fill out about seizures?

IMO, There would be no pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher because no one in their right mind who thinks that their child is having a seizure would wait 2 weeks to take them to the doctor.

I work with children who have seizures on a regular basis and the only paperwork we have to fill out is seizures activity charts. For some kids we right down the time of day and how long each seizure lasted. These charts may or may not be forwarded to a doctor, for the most part the only reason they are forwarded to the doctor is if there is a change in medication or medication monitoring.

I will say that any child with a seizure disorder (in the school district I work for) has a medical plan that every person who works with this child must sign off on. The medical plan states what types of medical condition and how it should be treated. These plans are updated annually, 99% of the time at the start of the school year.

 

[AbbieNormal]

1. I think Terri is FOS and don't know her motives for the seizure thing but...
2. Kyron was a chilled out kid, according to his dad he even sat in bed every morning until he was told to get up, seems to me to be the kind of quiet (and we know hes shy, we've been told) that to walk silently into a room and then back out could be possible with a parent (Terri) who was more absorbed with facebook, emailing, and baby K. I bet Kyron felt like a non-entity when alone at home with Terri. JMO
3. Maybe she just lies for the attention, but dunno if its to the point of Munchausens by Proxy, would she also be capable of doing something to baby K to make her look sick too?

 

[AbbieNormal]

But she claimed she called the doctor on Thursday, June 3rd the day before Kyron disappeared and the appointment was scheduled for the next Friday, June 11.. So when did she get the forms for the teacher to fill out? Did she go to the dr.s office on June 3rd and give them to the teacher that day or did she give them to the teacher the morning of the 4th? JMO

Or did she HAVE or GIVE the teacher anything to fill out. Did she just "mention" it (when she was supposedly shouting it to the teacher in a crowded gym)?

 

[BringKyronHome]

But she claimed she called the doctor on Thursday, June 3rd the day before Kyron disappeared and the appointment was scheduled for the next Friday, June 11.. So when did she get the forms for the teacher to fill out? Did she go to the dr.s office on June 3rd and give them to the teacher that day or did she give them to the teacher the morning of the 4th? JMO

A lot of docs have forms that can be printed right off the website. Also, these are standard forms/tests questions...if you want some examples I can dig them out, but they are deep in my sons med files so it'll take a bit...you may be able to google it faster...anyway, they are standardized questionaires that have a standardized method for diagnosing a person with certain things. If Terri had a live conversation with Kyron's ped, he/she very well could have handed her a questionaire and instructed her to call a specific specialist. Additionally, if this was something that was brought up by school, the school psychologist would absolutley have these as well. And then, these evaluation type appointments tend to take some time scheduling, often the coordinator at the office will send out forms to be completed (including referals & such from the ped) and then follow-up with the scheduling of the appointment. There are a whole host of very typical scenarios that could have occured, including that the his appointment was originally scheduled later at another time, and the office contacted Terri on Thursday to reschedule...given the approaching summer months, that would be very likely...in which case it would make a lot of sense that Terri had to then scurry around to get the forms completed before the appointment.

We don't know what type of doc she was seeing, but it's been my experience that they are generally a good wait before getting in (like months). But that's not to say that a good ped couldn't influence that either.

We really need more information to make a judgement...but from where I stand, the whole appointment thing doesn't sound hoaky at all.

Infact, just going by what I've experienced, it sounds more to me like Terri wasn't talking to the teacher about the appointment at all...but rather about the forms needing to be filled out. Considering that it was a just before the weekend, I know that I would have wanted her to have them at that time too. She was afterall going to be up at the school anyway, this would insure that Mrs P would have them with the best opportunity to complete them without being distracted by the class or competing responsibilities...forms like these should be completed with MUCH careful thought...done on the fly or while being distracted could really alter the results. For anyone that hasn't had to go through this process, it's hard to explain...it's not about simply answering questions...the form takes hours to complete, and it's VERY subjective...thankfully they aren't the only piece to the puzzle when a diagnosis is given, but it is a HUGE piece.

No parent wants their child diagnosed with ADHD and put on meds when the real diag is something else...ya know?

In my mind, and from my own experience, I think those forms were the emphasis and not the appointment...the fact that Mrs P had a week to complete them and get them to the Dr was.

 

[Savmom]

Dr. appoint #1 with baby K/per email: easy enough to confirm by LE.. however.. seems she was at grocery stores and the gym working out. (right).. bottom line, I don't believe the baby was sick and I don't believe the baby had a dr appointment. I think she made it up.:twocents:

Dr. appointment #2: for the following friday for Kyron. Also easy enough to confirm. As for all the paperwork.. everyone here is correct... and DY would have had to know about it... however, at the last family presser it seems they "weren't clear" on it... to include Kaine! So, again, I don't believe it. And I also don't buy her "something was wrong with Kyron" stuff either :twocents:

I see these emails as tracks covering and a$$ covering. they were sent on June 5th! While SAR was out looking for a little boy who could have wandered out of the school building, etc... Terri is already explaining away everything... and concerned about HERSELF.

She jumped around in those emails... back and forth... they didn't flow.. and I think each thing that had an elaborate detail was a point of her story in which she was trying to conceal the truth.

moo

eta: also if she left the school at nine... how was she checking out of FM 12 minutes later?????

:yes::yes::yes:

 

[BringKyronHome]

IMO, There would be no pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher because no one in their right mind who thinks that their child is having a seizure would wait 2 weeks to take them to the doctor.

I work with children who have seizures on a regular basis and the only paperwork we have to fill out is seizures activity charts. For some kids we right down the time of day and how long each seizure lasted. These charts may or may not be forwarded to a doctor, for the most part the only reason they are forwarded to the doctor is if there is a change in medication or medication monitoring.

I will say that any child with a seizure disorder (in the school district I work for) has a medical plan that every person who works with this child must sign off on. The medical plan states what types of medical condition and how it should be treated. These plans are updated annually, 99% of the time at the start of the school year.

But you are talking about AFTER it's been determined that seizures are occuring.

If these episodes were life threatening, then absolutely he would have been directed to the ER.

But since it (as it's been described) seemed to have been 'spacing out' and perhaps some processing issues...then he would have been put on a 'urgent' type of list, and from my experience, 1 week out is PRETTY fast.

We just went through this same type of thing with my son. His teacher raised the issue in the fall/winter...out appointment wasn't until may.

Her concern was that he was spacing out and she could NOT regain his attention. When he came out of it he was a bit dazed.

My son DOES have a history of seizures and it still took about 4 months to get in to see his established doc. And no I don't live in the boonies...I was taking him to Children's Boston.

I had him on the cancellation list too...who knows Terri could have as well.

The preliminary appointments DO include comprehensive questionaires that do need to be completed by a teacher (and others to be completed by the parent as well).

 

[CASH]

What is so telling to me about this email is how incredibly self-absorbed she is. Her step-son is missing, and there is not even a hint of concern on her part. It is all defensive whining about how she is being accused, how the teacher made a mistake, etc. There is no sense of urgency to her email either..such as, "oh my god, they think I did and meanwhile some stranger has my baby...". Nope. It sounds more like, "Kyron the little weirdo is gone and they are annoying me by asking me if I did it".

Two months ago my child had a bad dizzy spell. We weren't that concerned, but called the doctor. The doctor had him in the office later than same day, and to a neurologist the following day. I was really taken aback by how seriously doctors take any potential neurological issue. They would not wait two weeks.

 

[mayagrl]

:yes::yes::yes:

Gotcha Terri! :croc:

 

[Aedrys]

Is this your opinion or is it a fact? I don't think we know that she made it up, nor do we know what the dr. said, except what she stated in her email, which was: the dr. thought it could be seizures. BIG difference.

See, this is how things get blown all out of proportion. We misread or misunderstand something, and other people read it and believe it and before you know it, a rumor or a speculation becomes "fact" and it may be entirely false. She may have made it up, but we don't know that. Didn't Kaine mention something regarding Kyron not paying attention or not following directions? So these symptoms could very well have been true.

Or they could have been made up by Terri. We don't know that this information is true, whether she actually talked to a doctor, or whether Kyron had some neurological type of problem. The only person who has mentioned these things is Terri. Not paying attention and not following directions could just be a kid being a kid. My stepdaughter does that all the time and there's nothing wrong with her. Of course, it depends on if the kid is purposely not paying attention and following directions or is unable to do either of those, but still, Terri is the only one who has brought up seizures as the reason for the doctor's appointment.

We don't know anything other than what Terri said in these emails, and these days, I'm not trusting her at all. Now if KH, DY, and even the doctor comes out and says yes, Kyron had neurological problems, then I'll believe he had symptoms. I'm just not going to take Terri's word in an email to friend as gospel.

 

[evelyn24]

What is so telling to me about this email is how incredibly self-absorbed she is. Her step-son is missing, and there is not even a hint of concern on her part. It is all defensive whining about how she is being accused, how the teacher made a mistake, etc. There is no sense of urgency to her email either..such as, "oh my god, they think I did and meanwhile some stranger has my baby...". Nope. It sounds more like, "Kyron the little weirdo is gone and they are annoying me by asking me if I did it".

Two months ago my child had a bad dizzy spell. We weren't that concerned, but called the doctor. The doctor had him in the office later than same day, and to a neurologist the following day. I was really taken aback by how seriously doctors take any potential neurological issue. They would not wait two weeks.

Yep. I don't believe anything this woman says or tells her friends to say to the media.


I'm just waiting to see what the GJ has to say.

 

[cluciano63]

Even when people lie, there is usally some truth in there too, for things that can be verified. So I don;t think it should be assumed that everything out of Terri's mouth/keyboard is a lie. We may well find out there was an appointment for just those symptoms and as to whether Kyron was really experiencing them, we may never know.

In fact, I hope I am wrong, but we may never know what happened to Kyron at all.

 

[TxLady2]

Or they could have been made up by Terri. We don't know that this information is true, whether she actually talked to a doctor, or whether Kyron had some neurological type of problem. The only person who has mentioned these things is Terri. Not paying attention and not following directions could just be a kid being a kid. My stepdaughter does that all the time and there's nothing wrong with her. Of course, it depends on if the kid is purposely not paying attention and following directions or is unable to do either of those, but still, Terri is the only one who has brought up seizures as the reason for the doctor's appointment.

We don't know anything other than what Terri said in these emails, and these days, I'm not trusting her at all. Now if KH, DY, and even the doctor comes out and says yes, Kyron had neurological problems, then I'll believe he had symptoms. I'm just not going to take Terri's word in an email to friend as gospel.

After I hit submit I reread what the poster wrote and saw that she put "I think" at the head of her post. I decided to delete my post because it didn't sound right when I read it again.
So sorry... I'm going through a rough time right now with family problems. I should probably tie my hands and refrain from typing!
I apologize!!!

 

[Emeralgem]

We really need more information to make a judgement...but from where I stand, the whole appointment thing doesn't sound hoaky at all.
Infact, just going by what I've experienced, it sounds more to me like Terri wasn't talking to the teacher about the appointment at all...but rather about the forms needing to be filled out. Considering that it was a just before the weekend, I know that I would have wanted her to have them at that time too. She was afterall going to be up at the school anyway, this would insure that Mrs P would have them with the best opportunity to complete them without being distracted by the class or competing responsibilities...forms like these should be completed with MUCH careful thought...done on the fly or while being distracted could really alter the results. For anyone that hasn't had to go through this process, it's hard to explain...it's not about simply answering questions...the form takes hours to complete, and it's VERY subjective...thankfully they aren't the only piece to the puzzle when a diagnosis is given, but it is a HUGE piece.

No parent wants their child diagnosed with ADHD and put on meds when the real diag is something else...ya know?

In my mind, and from my own experience, I think those forms were the emphasis and not the appointment...the fact that Mrs P had a week to complete them and get them to the Dr was.

BBM.I disagree...Sounds hoaky to me... For her to even attempt to explain what she needed for the teacher to do especially when Terri, herself, claims everything that morning was totally out of control..People running around everywhere..How inconsiderate of her to bother the teacher at a most inopportune time.. JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

But you are talking about AFTER it's been determined that seizures are occuring.

If these episodes were life threatening, then absolutely he would have been directed to the ER.

But since it (as it's been described) seemed to have been 'spacing out' and perhaps some processing issues...then he would have been put on a 'urgent' type of list, and from my experience, 1 week out is PRETTY fast.

We just went through this same type of thing with my son. His teacher raised the issue in the fall/winter...out appointment wasn't until may.
Her concern was that he was spacing out and she could NOT regain his attention. When he came out of it he was a bit dazed.

My son DOES have a history of seizures and it still took about 4 months to get in to see his established doc. And no I don't live in the boonies...I was taking him to Children's Boston.

I had him on the cancellation list too...who knows Terri could have as well.

The preliminary appointments DO include comprehensive questionaires that do need to be completed by a teacher (and others to be completed by the parent as well).

BBM..IMHO.. What? The teacher voiced concerns last fall/winter and you couldn't get an appointment until May? IMHO...You need to change physicians..

 

[SmoothOperator]

I think premeditated red herring. I went to WebMd.com to get the symptoms of absence seizures and here's what I found:

Typical absence seizures begin abruptly, last 10 to 30 seconds, and resolve themselves without complication. The person simply stops in his tracks (and/or mid-sentence), and enters a staring, trance-like state during which he is unresponsive and unaware of his surroundings. He may make fumbling movements with his hands, and there may also be eyelid fluttering, lip smacking, or chewing motions during the seizure. When the seizure passes, the person returns to normal, with no memory of the event and no lingering effects. Generally speaking, typical absence seizures have no discernible cause.

Now here's what Terri said about Kyron:

“The past 2 weeks he’s been acting really weird. Staring off into space. Can’t remember anything. Walks into the room and then back out, stopping to stare and then move on. The doc thinks he is having mini seizures and I made an appt. on Thursday for the next Friday to have him checked out.”

Wow, those two are an awfully lot alike, except of course, WebMd is way more detailed. She totally looked this up and then described symptoms to the doctor to make the doctor think Kyron was having absence seizures. And of course she didn't say she thought it, what was important is that the doctor thought Kyron was having seizures.

I whole heartedly second(havent read thru entire thread so there could me many others that have already posted that they totally agree w/Aedrys' above post)every detail that Aedrys has so very perfectly laid out the almost "identical" details of Terri's description of the possible mini-seizures vs. WebMD's details... And wow! is about all I can say....

Just as the MMC[Mystery Male Chaperone] in it's appropriate thread I posted it to be THE LARGEST, MOST OBVIOUS "RED HERRING" THUS FAR IN THIS CASE, I too see this as equally obvious.JMO.

Now breaking down each of the issues that Terri outlined&detailed in her email it is becoming more&more IMO evident of the pre-meditation and planned "red herrings". JMO.

ETA~ I am betting that when all the evidence is released upon going to trial that they will have found on the computers this exact webMD page[quoted above]. No doubt in my mind, tho I do realize what Terri's rebuttal will be ~ "of course I looked it up on WebMD as I thought my stepson whom I loved so much was suffering from these type seizures" (ugghh! and arrggh! makes me sick!)

 

[BeanE]

IMO, There would be no pre-appointment paperwork for a teacher because no one in their right mind who thinks that their child is having a seizure would wait 2 weeks to take them to the doctor.

I hope we don't find out that Kyron's parents are out of their minds. All this time I've been so sure they're sane.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Question re: the possible seizure disorder. During their various interviews on June 25, Desiree and Kaine mentioned that Kyron often slept 12+ hours nightly. I realize that some children require more sleep than others, but this seemed like an awful lot of time spent sleeping for this little guy. Could the need for copious amounts of sleep be related to seizures? TIA

 

[ami]

"The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt. I said I was going to look at other exhibits – how do you mess that up?"

I wonder how Terri knew that this was the sentence that the teacher "misheard"?

So Terri goes to the science fair, hangs out with Kyron, speaks to a teacher or two about random things and at some point says she's going to look at other exhibits (a social nothing of a sentence you might say when you want to move on from a conversation) --- how does Terri know that the teacher confused "looking at other exhibits" with a comment about a doctors appointment?

Wouldn't Terri instead have said in the email, "for some reason the teacher thought I was taking Kyron to the doctor - I don't know where she got that idea."

 

[Jules71]

"The teacher thought I said I was going to take Kyron with Kitty for a doctor’s appt. I said I was going to look at other exhibits – how do you mess that up?"

I wonder how Terri knew that this was the sentence that the teacher "misheard"?

So Terri goes to the science fair, hangs out with Kyron, speaks to a teacher or two about random things and at some point says she's going to look at other exhibits (a social nothing of a sentence you might say when you want to move on from a conversation) --- how does Terri know that the teacher confused "looking at other exhibits" with a comment about a doctors appointment?

Wouldn't Terri instead have said in the email, "for some reason the teacher thought I was taking Kyron to the doctor - I don't know where she got that idea."

Excellent point!! The only way her saying this would make sense is if she and the teacher were discussing this that night trying to figure out what was going on.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I hope we don't find out that Kyron's parents are out of their minds. All this time I've been so sure they're sane.

Though I have never honestly felt that both Kaine and Desiree were the most "together" or emotionally rock solid of people, but that fact IMO is irrelevant. What is relevant and been glaringly apparent[IMO] is that Terri appears to be the least sane, emotionally "sound", and quite honestly dysfunction at its finest[of course JMO].. Not to mention appears to be suffering from a whole host of varying personality, emotional, and mental disorders, problems, and illnesses[again JMO]


~To me what is saddest in seeing all of the varying "issues" and varying degrees of these "issues" where all of these adults are concerned is the fact that this was Kyron's entire nuclear unit, his entire support system. And it is so very sad and angering at the same time because IMO there were some major red flags, but it seems as though self centered adults were possibly each of their own individual top priorities, not the precious&innocent children which they were responsible for rearing.JMO