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FaerieB said:
Summarizing as watching (please forgive typos)

- has a few theories what happened but would rather not say as he doesn't want to jeopardize the case
- didn't have an "OMG" moment re: Terri until after Kyron was missing
- "I stood by her until I couldn't stand by her anymore."
- A lot of things have been found out that 'are shocking' and he never saw them coming.
- Life has settled into an new normal.
- "We'll be whole when he comes back."
- TH kept alcoholism hidden (gradual progression)
- Finances kept separate.
- "We can't lose focus on Kyron and bringing him home."
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I had a feeling they did.
 
shergal said:
Didn't really have anything new, IMO. He couldn't comment on most of the questions because of the ongoing divorce and case. He's really holding on to Kyron still being alive.
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I'm glad to hear him say Kyron is still alive. He knows a lot more than we do about this crime.
 
What did Kaine say about the finances being kept separate or if there were amounts squirreled back that he didn't know about?
 
If Terri were still by his side "helping to search" then that would still make Kyron missing and maybe abducted by some crazed pedophile instead of her, and that's according to Kaine since he believes she had something to do with the disappearance. She'd still be the master of deceit and misdirection as he says. They can't really say that Kyron is deceased or alive, because apparently they really don't know since there's no evidence of physical harm as far as we know. Terri's friends, chatmates, online gamers, etc. must all be checking out and no trace of an accomplice IMO.
 
I'm wondering if there isn't something in these emails that talks about "stashing him."

I think this idea is not just grieving parents clinging to hope...it's just been too long...and they know she hated the child and wanted to hurt him.

Maybe that is why she hasn't been charged. Because there is something tangible that makes "stashing" a real possibility.
 
He brought up the separate finances when he was discussing TH's alcoholism. He said that was one of the reasons he didn't realize how much she was drinking. Their finances were kept separate so he never knew how much she was spending on alcohol.
 
I agree that Dy saw something in e-mail or has been told something by Le that Kyron could have been hidden somewhere early on she was so adamant that Kyron was stashed someplace and Th knew where. KH & DY were also adamant that Th had help early on. This must have come from somewhere and at first i thought it was they could not bear to think of the other alternative but as time slips by.. I wonder.. I do think what ever info was contained in the last e-mails released to DY it shook her to the core as they revealed something that allowed her mind go to the alternate ending. :(

IT seems more improbable that Kyron is alive and stashed somewhere as time goes on but i will say I still come back to that possibility. One reason is out of hope but also due to TH's actions if she is indeed guilty.

I surmise it is easier to remain quiet almost smug (she appeared anything but devastated in court) while having hopes of having committed the perfect crime. By this i mean by appearance of the searches LE are looking for a deceased Kyron ( not saying this is the case but could look that way) if you knew for certain there was no body to be found it would not worry you in the slightest and the longer Kyron stays missing the likely hood or stats of him being found are heavily in her favour :(. Plus no arrest or any word from the grand jury. these are some of the things i ponder while i'm perched up here on my fence.. all jmo...
 
Okay, if their finances are separate, then why is she acting like she's completely broke without Kaine? Was he giving her money to spend how she wanted? I don't get this. If they had separate finances, then Terri shouldn't be broke right now and wanting more money from Kaine. Something is not adding up there unless she drained her accounts for alcohol or drained her accounts to help pay for Houze.

No wonder Kaine is concerned. If their finances were separate, there could be accounts and money he doesn't know about.
 
OK wait a minute. Last week an email was released that Terri wrote in April.

In the April 6 e-mail obtained by KATU News, Terri writes the following about Kaine: “I have to ask him before I go out to meet anyone. I have no money because I stayed home with Kyron at birth since his natural mom wouldn't - spent all of my 30k to do so. …

“I am The one who was able to get him glasses (I noticed at 6 months when I was working with him but Kaine wouldn't go in to a doc until he was 2 years - yeah - he's farsighted 750)). He's on me about being fat. Wants me to do another show. Makes me pay $1000 a month to him for bills although it's my child support and unemployment. I do all the yard work, house work, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters.”


Kaine said this.......

Kaine said during a Monday news conference that Terri is a “master of deception and misdirection. All the conversations she was having with people was the misdirection part.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/108352154.html?

So now we are hearing that they had separate finances.

So if Terri was (and I'm not sure I believe it) giving Kaine 1K a month she must have had that credit card smoking.

IMO This is beginning to look even more like a long conceived plan setting all of these questionable emails out months before Kyron went missing.
 
stmarysmead said:
I'm wondering if there isn't something in these emails that talks about "stashing him."

I think this idea is not just grieving parents clinging to hope...it's just been too long...and they know she hated the child and wanted to hurt him.

Maybe that is why she hasn't been charged. Because there is something tangible that makes "stashing" a real possibility.
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Emma Peel said:
Could Kaine's comment be interpreted another way entirely? - see BBM part above.

Could it mean that Kaine actually wishes Terri was still by his side helping in the search for Kyron. That Kaine wishes instead of Terri refusing to help, that Terri would opened her entire self up - and all of her "associates" for examination so LE could sift through all the characters and figure out who might have Kyron. Could Kaine believe that if Terri would cooperate completely that they'd be better able to find Kyron.

And, could we read this statement from Kaine "that way" - especially considering this zinger from Kaine - same time frame:

Kaine said "so, yeah, I think he's still alive"...

(which is a tough statement for me to understand too! I don't understand why Kaine wants Terri helping him look for Kyron, nor do I understand why Kaine thinks Kyron is still alive, yet, he's said these things...)

What do we really know, though, about Terri's involvement? Could she be protecting someone who disappeared Kyron? Is that someone from her double life that they are trying to figure out?

Also consider this comments (I'm not quoting exactly - but I think these are well known).

From Desiree: Kyron was involved - in the whole thing - Kyron saw everything.

It makes me wonder what they are talking about. Does it sound like a cult abduction or something? ... It's so strange. Very strange.

I feel bad for Kaine & Desiree, and realize they need to protect so much on the investigation information - but it's frustrating when we get tidbits from them that seem less like information and more like riddles...

Apparently, they've both stopped begging Terri to cooperate and talk...That tactic has not been used this time around... Wonder why? :cow:
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I really doubt that Kyron is alive. I think these are just two heartbroken parents in different stages of grief. I know that I could not accept that my child was gone until I absolutely had to. I would stubbornly hold onto hope. Dealing with a parent with a terminal illness, I clung to every shred of hope that I could, all logic aside. It was easier to try to have hope and believe things may turn out okay than to face that gaping maw of horror. There were times when my confidence slipped and I knew it was not going to be okay, then I went back to the easier place of trying to hold on to hope again. My relatives and I all went through similar feelings, all at different times.

I imagine losing a child like this is very similar. And, I bet it feels good and right to speak to Kyron the way Kaine did, even if he knows subconsciously that Kyron is no longer with us - he still feels that Kyron can hear him.

The thing is, the logistics do not point to Kyron being hidden for so long. Dede and TH have been watched, likely surveilled every step of the way, for a long time now. So, we know it is unlikely that they are holding him somewhere without help and it's unlikely they are in contact with a third party who is holding him. Then, there is the issue of a third party. Once you start adding more people to the mix, it become much more likely that someone will talk or slip up. That's why I tend to doubt conspiracies.
Moreover, where does one hold a kid for so long without some sign of it? It happens but it is extremely rare for such a thing to go on unnoticed.
Also, the person caring for Kyron needs to work, to be able to provide for him, etc. Which makes stashing him even harder.

Finally, there's TH. The clues point to an imbalanced and vicious person who saw Kyron as the object of her misery and who saw killing him as the way to be free. "Kyron was there, he was a part of it and saw everything", or however Desiree said it, I didn't view this quote as signs of some cult activity or anything more complex than a little boy who obeyed the woman who helped raise him, who trustingly kept quiet and went along with whatever plan she had to get him out of the school unnoticed and who calmly got out of the car and walked into the woods to see whatever TH told him would be there, only to find himself strangled to death, or clobbered over the head and left to rot.

I cannot imagine the pain this family will go through for the rest of their lives. It's so evil, so senseless, so unnecessary. But I also think it's very simple, what happened to Kyron - the same thing that happens to too many lovely children at the hands of their parents or their parents' new guy or new girl. :twocents:
 
Aedrys said:
Okay, if their finances are separate, then why is she acting like she's completely broke without Kaine? Was he giving her money to spend how she wanted? I don't get this. If they had separate finances, then Terri shouldn't be broke right now and wanting more money from Kaine. Something is not adding up there unless she drained her accounts for alcohol or drained her accounts to help pay for Houze.

No wonder Kaine is concerned. If their finances were separate, there could be accounts and money he doesn't know about.
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IIRC, In one of the emails from Terri to a friend, she said something about her unemployment and child support and having to give Kaine $1000 a month. So if she was getting both of those, and her son is now living with his dad, I would guess the support stopped. Her UE could have run out by now too.


ETA: Grandma J beat me to it. LOL I was typing and watching tv.
 
Aedrys said:
Okay, if their finances are separate, then why is she acting like she's completely broke without Kaine? Was he giving her money to spend how she wanted? I don't get this. If they had separate finances, then Terri shouldn't be broke right now and wanting more money from Kaine. Something is not adding up there unless she drained her accounts for alcohol or drained her accounts to help pay for Houze.

No wonder Kaine is concerned. If their finances were separate, there could be accounts and money he doesn't know about.
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I don't get it either. So while with Kaine, she was collecting child support and unemployment, 1000 of which she contributed to the household. She had a home for herself and her two (bio) children to live in, a car, food, utilities, a gym membership, cell phone, etc. Presumably the "separate" part of the finances implied she had money that was not contributing to the household.

Now she no longer has to hand over the $1000. She no longer has at least one of her children to support, and I'm guessing she's not risking the gym right now. She's living at her parents' (presumably) and unless they're asking her to pay them rent, she only has her legal bills to worry about. Granted, her legal bills are probably already crippling, what with two attorneys and who knows if there are specialists lurking in the wings for consultation.

Welp, Kaine said she was a spendy sort. Maybe that hasn't changed and she's sticking to Amazon or something.
 
Is Kaine allowed visitation with J? Someone posted on some thread (LOL) that maybe J will reveal some info that he was privy to but hasn't come out yet. If he does know something (or Terri slips up in front of him), maybe he would confide in Kaine (if they have a good relationship).
 
They must have found receipts or credit card bills of hers that show how much alcohol she was purchasing. Seems like there'd have to be proof to show a judge about the child custody and to say those things on TV. She could have been doing things like sneaking in booze with the groceries and buying things for the kids, showing him, then returning them for cash. Most men wouldn't even notice kids clothes being worn or not ever so often. I find it hard to believe that she'd spend a whole lot of her own money on booze if she's really a master of deception.
 
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=128985692751216600


Part of the process’

In the midst of their divorce proceedings, Kaine Horman has custody of his young daughter, K, and Terri Horman recently withdrew her request for visitation of K. Kaine said he is concerned for K’s well-being as well as that of J, Terri’s older son, who may be living with Terri Horman in her parents’ Roseburg home.

Kaine Horman said he was prevented from having contact with J. He also said he doesn’t believe the divorce proceedings are a “distraction” from the search to find Kryon, as some have accused.

“It’s all part of the process,” he said.
 
grandmaj said:
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/print_story.php?story_id=128985692751216600


Part of the process’

In the midst of their divorce proceedings, Kaine Horman has custody of his young daughter, K, and Terri Horman recently withdrew her request for visitation of K. Kaine said he is concerned for K’s well-being as well as that of J, Terri’s older son, who may be living with Terri Horman in her parents’ Roseburg home.

Kaine Horman said he was prevented from having contact with J. He also said he doesn’t believe the divorce proceedings are a “distraction” from the search to find Kryon, as some have accused.

“It’s all part of the process,” he said.
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Why am I not surprised.
 
By way of random trivia, hard liquor is only available in Oregon from 'package stores' with limited hours.
I know in a lot of states, alcohol is easily available but you have to sort of plan for it here, lol.
 
pdx said:
By way of random trivia, hard liquor is only available in Oregon from 'package stores' with limited hours.
I know in a lot of states, alcohol is easily available but you have to sort of plan for it here, lol.
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That's rather amazing in 2010 in a city known to be very liberal...LOL!

What kind of hours do these state stores maintain??

TIA!
 
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