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Tillicum said:
IDK if this has been posted but this video has caused me to question what innocent citizens should do when finding themselves in the middle of one of these attacks. I know that each case is different but I wish police would address what we should do if found in one of these situations. http://www.insideedition.com/headli...eart-stopping-moments-of-baton-rouge-shooting
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Our local police force is holding classes in exactly these situations...only thing is they fill up rapidly. Apparently you aren't the only one with these concern. Someone suggested video taping the class and making it more widely available.
 
Mustang Sally said:
I just found this! Very interesting and totally over the top!

He sent this 3 page handwritten manifesto to a rapper named Karima Karama about 30 minutes before he was first reported being seen.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari/gavin-longs-alleged-manifesto?utm_term=.fnYOyjJlv#.wn2dbVZz9

God Bless the Families of the Dallas, Baton Rouge and All Law Enforcement Officers!
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I knew he had to have published his justification somewhere. Sounds like Elliot Rodgers. Not the topic, but the flavor. Megalmania

There are lots of people like him, but they all don't turn into killers. How can we identify one narcissist from another? And he had not committed any crimes before so what can be done? He is not acting deranged enough to be taken in for mental health issues.

What a nightmare.
 
Mustang Sally said:
I just found this! Very interesting and totally over the top!

He sent this 3 page handwritten manifesto to a rapper named Karima Karama about 30 minutes before he was first reported being seen.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari/gavin-longs-alleged-manifesto?utm_term=.fnYOyjJlv#.wn2dbVZz9

God Bless the Families of the Dallas, Baton Rouge and All Law Enforcement Officers!
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Wow, hindsight is 20/20! To bad that rapper Karima Karama, didn't contact the FBI concerning the emails and manifesto, so that they could have alerted authorities in Baton Rouge and Dallas. Tragic..
 
Would moderators consider moving this thread to "Rampage Killers" forum?

Or perhaps consider creating a forum or sub forum for crimes that intentionally target police/ LE officers?

It would be helpful to have them all in one place. They are in various threads and forums now.
 
Foxfire said:
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Wow, hindsight is 20/20! To bad that rapper Karima Karama, didn't contact the FBI concerning the emails and manifesto, so that they could have alerted authorities in Baton Rouge and Dallas. Tragic..
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Did he see it before it happened?
 
silversurvivor said:
I agree with what you are saying. Just wanted to add my experience with Marines. My son in law served over seas with a combat unit 1/9. I have watched as so many have taken their own lives not any one else's. It is heartbreaking as they try to help each other instead of the help the VA should be giving them.
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I would like to thank your SIL and all other veterans for all the sacrifices they have, and continue to make. I know this isn't a political thread, but felt compelled to comment. Removing oil from the equation, how many wars are/were unnecessary? Election in 3 months. Time to possibly consider who will "defend our country" rather than....create wounded/dead soldiers. Just something to ponder.
 
human said:
Here are some. 300'vets on death row

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/300-veterans-some-ptsd-are-death-row-report-n460111
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I find that article very misleading. Just because they may have been in the military decades ago or at some point in their lives before they murdered someone doesn't mean they all did it because they were a veteran. And still they are in a very tiny minority of those on death row. From your link: About 300 veterans are on death row nationwide, about 10 percent of all those condemned to die, the group estimates.

In fact I don't even know why the media has to always interject that a murderer or even a mass murderer like this one was even in the military years ago. There is absolutely no evidence his military service had one thing to do with why he hated and targeted cops. The media sure doesn't go around saying that other murderers were ex-McDonald workers (for example) years ago when they kill someone.

Its just another way to make a dig on our veterans, imo. Many media sites are anti-military, imo.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I find that article very misleading. Just because they may have been in the military decades ago or at some point in their lives before they murdered someone doesn't mean they all did it because they were a veteran. And still they are in a very tiny minority of those on death row. From your link: About 300 veterans are on death row nationwide, about 10 percent of all those condemned to die, the group estimates.

In fact I don't even know why the media has to always interject that a murderer or even a mass murderer like this one was even in the military years ago. There is absolutely no evidence his military service had one thing to do with why he hated and targeted cops. The media sure doesn't go around saying that other murderers were ex-McDonald workers (for example) years ago when they kill someone.

Its just another way to make a dig on our veterans, imo. Many media sites are anti-military, imo.
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Interesting how people interpret things differently. To me it shows we are losing our vets to suicide and crime because they get no help with mental health issues.

My best friend's ex hubby just got treatment for PTSD from Vietnam last year. He is not a killer, but he was chemically dependent on mj and booze. A great guy that the horrors of war got to him for over forty years.

I hope a new Congress will appropriate money for veteran issues. I forget who the woman was whose husband killed himself. She said that the military spent six months programming him to go to war, but they could not spend six months with therapy after he got out.

Is it something like 22 vets a day kill themselves?
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I find that article very misleading. Just because they may have been in the military decades ago or at some point in their lives before they murdered someone doesn't mean they all did it because they were a veteran. And still they are in a very tiny minority of those on death row. From your link: About 300 veterans are on death row nationwide, about 10 percent of all those condemned to die, the group estimates.

In fact I don't even know why the media has to always interject that a murderer or even a mass murderer like this one was even in the military years ago. There is absolutely no evidence his military service had one thing to do with why he hated and targeted cops. The media sure doesn't go around saying that other murderers were ex-McDonald workers (for example) years ago when they kill someone.

Its just another way to make a dig on our veterans, imo. Many media sites are anti-military, imo.
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They include his veteran status because they include everything - where he lived, where he worked, who his friends were, if he was married, where he went to college, etc. It's part of his history and should be reported anyway, but it also gives us something to consider. How did he and the Dallas shooter serve their country and then go on to assassinate law enforcement officers? Was it something that happened to them before, during, or after? Would it have made any difference in the end if they never served on active duty?

JMO
 
I'm struck by the similarity to another domestic terrorist - Timothy McVeigh. Both had past military service. Both had exposure to anti-govt and hate propaganda. Both justified their violence as being a 'necessary evil' and minimized and dehumanized their victims. My guess is that whatever McVeigh had, this guy has.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
How do they have PTSD if they have not been or even seen combat nor suffered any trauma? All the ones I have seen who said they have PTSD were in combat zones where they were able to see the casualties of war on the front lines.
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So many veterans serve in an area, Vietnam is a good example, the guys who were cooks back in the base, never saw any action, aside from getting drunk in the bar, completely different experience from being right in the DMZ, and finding tunnels.

Yet, so often, the guy who is SC for cutting his finger on the meat slicer, goes to PTSD groups, and are the loudest talkers. I was in one group, and a guy leaving asked me for coffee, he said he was never coming again, because he would kill the guy who talked so much, next time. And he meant it.
 
human said:
Interesting how people interpret things differently. To me it shows we are losing our vets to suicide and crime because they get no help with mental health issues.

My best friend's ex hubby just got treatment for PTSD from Vietnam last year. He is not a killer, but he was chemically dependent on mj and booze. A great guy that the horrors of war got to him for over forty years.

I hope a new Congress will appropriate money for veteran issues. I forget who the woman was whose husband killed himself. She said that the military spent six months programming him to go to war, but they could not spend six months with therapy after he got out.

Is it something like 22 vets a day kill themselves?
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I look at it through a military mom's eyes, and through the eyes as a family member and friend who has several close loved ones who are honorable veterans. Some who came back with medical disabilities. One who received a purple heart for the severe injuries he received in World War II. One who received two purple hearts by being wounded in two different conflicts. Our family has a very long history of those who wanted to serve their country with honor and did.

They don't just commit suicide because of PTSD.. Many of them are not being able to even see a medical doctor who specializes in the severe wounds they have sustained. Heck, they cant even get in to see a regular MD so they can be referred to a specialist they desperately need. They also have to wait months and some over a year or more to even get their entitled disability benefits which leaves way too many homeless. There are many other reasons why they commit suicide other than PTSD. They should never be homeless before benefits can be given to them. A benefit they earned and is certainly not an entitlement giveaway program. Yet those people have no problem getting their monthly checks and handouts. If they are suffering from mental issues such as clinical depression a lot of it came about because of the way the VA has treated them.

What it shows me that even though they are treated like dirt by the VA they are still in a teeny tiny minority of those who do horrific crimes that lands them on death row.

Maybe we should find out where all the others worked who are in the majority of those who are on death row. It seems like it is only becomes important to know if it happens to be a veteran even if being a veteran had absolutely nothing to do with why they committed a murder.

All people, from all walks of life, in every profession commit crimes far more often than our veterans including those who have never worked a day in their lives.

It isn't Congress' fault. No matter how much funds are given to the VA it is those who are in administrative positions who are screwing over the care or non care our veterans should be given. Maybe if they actually criminally punished those who blatantly lie and falsify records of veterans by immediately dismissing them they may have more money actually to be spent on our deserving veterans. But instead they aren't fired whatsoever, no matter what they do, but are given large bonuses for bad behavior. Until someone is in the highest office in our government actually cares and does something to those people and stops throwing large amounts of money at bad people, the tremendous waste will still continue to be spent on others instead of the veterans who actually deserve it.

IMO
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I look at it through a military mom's eyes, and through the eyes as a family member and friend who has several close loved ones who are honorable veterans. Some who came back with medical disabilities. One who received a purple heart for the severe injuries he received in World War II. One who received two purple hearts by being wounded in two different conflicts. Our family has a very long history of those who wanted to serve their country with honor and did.

They don't just commit suicide because of PTSD.. Many of them are not being able to even see a medical doctor who specializes in the severe wounds they have sustained. Heck, they cant even get in to see a regular MD so they can be referred to a specialist they desperately need. They also have to wait months and some over a year or more to even get their entitled disability benefits which leaves way too many homeless. There are many other reasons why they commit suicide other than PTSD. They should never be homeless before benefits can be given to them. A benefit they earned and is certainly not an entitlement giveaway program. Yet those people have no problem getting their monthly checks and handouts. If they are suffering from mental issues such as clinical depression a lot of it came about because of the way the VA has treated them.

What it shows me that even though they are treated like dirt by the VA they are still in a teeny tiny minority of those who do horrific crimes that lands them on death row.

Maybe we should find out where all the others worked who are in the majority of those who are on death row. It seems like it is only becomes important to know if it happens to be a veteran even if being a veteran had absolutely nothing to do with why they committed a murder.

All people, from all walks of life, in every profession commit crimes far more often than our veterans including those who have never worked a day in their lives.

It isn't Congress' fault. No matter how much funds are given to the VA it is those who are in administrative positions who are screwing over the care or non care our veterans should be given. Maybe if they actually criminally punished those who blatantly lie and falsify records of veterans by immediately dismissing them they may have more money actually to be spent on our deserving veterans. But instead they aren't fired whatsoever, no matter what they do, but are given large bonuses for bad behavior. Until someone is in the highest office in our government actually cares and does something to those people and stops throwing large amounts of money at bad people, the tremendous waste will still continue to be spent on others instead of the veterans who actually deserve it.

IMO
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The money is allocated from Congress. An employee does not get to set wages.

Veterans are not getting the help they need. To be in denial does not help them one bit. There are 22 suicides or more a day. The service people see it as a problem. In WW2 they called it shell shock.

People may not like to,hear this, and if it is not believed, one can google, I Have provided links for other issues and they are dissed. The WW2 came home and there became lots of depression and alcoholism. Many never would even talk about the war. My hubby's family had nine boys who served. Sad stories even though they came back, married and worked. Scarred. People are not made to be in wars. Eisenhower has all kinds of great quotes about war. Very heart rendering.
 
human said:
Did he see it before it happened?
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I don't think he did. The shooter sent it right before he started shooting, and that was on a Sunday morning, rather early. It's entirely possible the recipient didn't notice it until later. Just my guess.
 
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