GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #3

[MookyThomas]

As I am sure LE will be looking at what motive would TS/MAS have to kill JL. I still think Money is a common motivation. I don't think JL would have had enough Cash on her to end up getting killed for it. I don't think TS/MAS would have enough cash in their hand to motivate JL to go with them. This is assuming JL knows TS/MAS. What I think would motivate her to go with them would be the lure of Money from someone else. Follow the Money will lead you to the killer. I think the Money was in Mississippi. If I needed cash and someone I knew told me if I went with them and did xyz I would get paid then why not go?

I dont think they just picked her up for freaky sex and decided to kill her.

I can't help but think that maybe there was actually a private party and maybe it involved some shady customers (read: seriously shady, moreso than even MAS and TS), some kind of dispute between JL and the customers, and the customers being the perps, perhaps with some help, forced or voluntary, by TS and/or MAS. JL is disappeared. TS and MAS return home freaked but not so much so as if they did it themselves, just that they were involved in some part of it. So their actions show a purpose to get out of town to avoid questioning, but not quite the urgency of avoiding a murder wrap.


However, I must admit I've just been reading about the Gulf Coast's history of shadiness, prompted by missgulfsouth's posting, so I may be subconsciously teeing off on that in my head as far as some underworld crime types being the primary actors.

 

[MSGulfCoast]

What I don't understand is why JL left in the first place. What doesn't make sense to me is that all the locals working in the quarter gets offered things that are too good to be true. Dancers promised money and rings, musicians promised recording contracts, bartenders being promised their own bars, etc. You sort of get numb to it after a while and stop listening. It's not as if the reputation of these two is on a level where you think there is a chance you might get what you were promised. IDK

You make an excellent point.

When I was a cocktail waitress at the Grand Casino in Biloxi (3 yrs before hurricane Katrina f'ed it up) I was propositioned by a man (he had money & influence) He asked my husband & me if *I* would run a "brothel" for him.
I was 32 at the time, still very "in shape & attractive" but old enough to run a spot.
We declined the offer ~~ my reason for posting that is to back up what QuarterRat said)

 

[JurysOut]

I have to keep in mind that it is still rumour at this point that they were all seen in MS together until LE officially releases that information.

Let's say they did go to MS though just for speculation purposes.

I agree with the above poster, drugs can be found anywhere, specifically right there on Bourbon St.

Again, as mentioned previously by a poster, there are many girls to choose from in MS, why take a girl from Bourbon St. there. If it is true that they solicited a different girl that night prior to Jaren then, it can be ruled out that she was targeted specifically.

Whatever way you look at it, it leads back to TS and MAS either being the perp/s
or the middle man.

If the primary intended purpose was sexual, between the 3 of them (as indicated by the approach made on the other dancer) then there would really be no reason to go to MS.

Now, if there was another client in MS, then most likely that client made a request to TS and MAS to bring a girl to him in MS. I'm not saying this isn't possible, but why would this client offer higher incentives to these people when the client could just call out for a local girl?

This MS connection just isn't adding up for me.

BBM

A high roller who may have known TS from a previous club visit and didn't want anyone in MS to know he was there?

That's the only thing I can think of.

 

[cluciano63]

"We have witnesses stating they heard Jaren ask to leave work early so she could go make some extra money on a party, so we believe she was enticed to go with the hope she would make some extra money," Grannan said.

http://www.wlox.com/story/18792017/suspect-may-have-lured-dancer-to-private-party

Oh dear...then she probably did get the same or a similar story to the other woman...I was thinking maybe she was just offered a ride

 

[PTMUSCLE]

Distance by Car Burbon St to Buckner Park BSL 55 miles 60 min drive.

 

[Agatha_C]

Oh dear...then she probably did get the same or a similar story to the other woman...I was thinking maybe she was just offered a ride

My belief is that JL was planning to come home as we know from her brother. She might have thought $700-800 would have been nice to have/bring home.

 

[missgulfsouth]

With all the talk of Jaren being hired by a high roller, I keep thinking about a book I read by James Patterson. A high roller hires men to find girls for him, and he likes a "certain form of entertainment". Long story short, many girls end up dead and those around him keep quiet out of fear for their lives. It was a scary book....one wonders if it really happens.

 

[manzana]

Sounds like Jaren was just trying to make some extra money on a slow night... How unfortunate that you cannot trust anyone anymore.

Fast money is not respected money, notice I chose not to use the word earned.

Dancers, people in this lifestyle if you will tend to go through money like water. Whatever they earn, they generally spend more thinking I can just go back to work tomorrow. Sad to say but true, call them a boyfriend/whatever, most guys that date dancers etc are pimps, meaning most boyfriends are in on getting and spending money. It has been this way for years and most likely will continue. Yeah there are a few (dancers) who may buy a home or do something meaningful with their earnings but they are a minority/handful.

Most money does end up on drugs, car payments, etc. So when one poster here said that JL and her BF were broke, it basically just goes with the territory.

It is sad that JL had to lose her life, however that is the last place that someone should trust an offer. I hope that other young ladies who post ads on CL or BP or work in an environment such as a strip club will exercise more caution.

 

[MookyThomas]

With all the talk of Jaren being hired by a high roller, I keep thinking about a book I read by James Patterson. A high roller hires men to find girls for him, and he likes a "certain form of entertainment". Long story short, many girls end up dead and those around him keep quiet out of fear for their lives. It was a scary book....one wonders if it really happens.

The involvement of much more significant players would be a perfect explanation for the LE's delay in charging TS and MAS and desire to take more time to investigate. It would also resolve the issue of where and how the dismemberment took place (not answer it exactly, but give more viable options than TS and MAS on the beach or in the woods doing it with a pocket knife).

 

[slandry]

That's a key question, I think.

-Why Mississippi? Who or what was in Mississippi?

It's an important part of the puzzle.

Maybe they thought if they dumped her in Mississippi it wouldn't be traced to them in N.O. maybe that's y they cut her up to not be identified remember no hands(fingerprints) have been found.. who knows what they did w/ them. and history shows usually when a dancer comes up missing no one really looks into it. IMO I think they went to extremities to avoid getting caught but it didn't work!

 

[PTMUSCLE]

Also a quick check of the BSL Tide charts suggest that if anyone put a body or parts in the water around that area from around midnight until dawn on Tues June 6 or Wed June 7 then it would have been on an incomming tide. That would likey have kept the body in that general area. I doubt whoever did this planned it to the extent that they knew what the tides would be.

 

[JDB]

I can't decide. It feels specific to me, but I don't have much to back it up yet.

My gut is telling me it had nothing to do about Money either. JL knew something. And TS wanted her quite IMHO

 

[BeginnersLuck]

With all the talk of Jaren being hired by a high roller, I keep thinking about a book I read by James Patterson. A high roller hires men to find girls for him, and he likes a "certain form of entertainment". Long story short, many girls end up dead and those around him keep quiet out of fear for their lives. It was a scary book....one wonders if it really happens.

This is where I'm lead, if there is evidence of her being in MS.

Hopefully, like the other poster said, phone records will be useful, unless, the request was made verbally.

Who did TS work for (under the table) that would have higher influence and money. Would they use him as a middle man? Was he stable enough to trust in this capacity? MAS certainly wasn't with her mood swings, etc.

Or, was MAS and TS looked at as being stupid enough, used by someone else, to take the fall for her murder if indeed there is a more sinister plot to unfold.

 

[Mimiof8]

hey driving in TN between knoxville and nashville to my daughters wedding and just saw a United Indian bureau if investigation mobile command center. Typing on phone...have they found something at a casino?

 

[Portabella]

Graphic Warning....

okay, so because I was not certain, I looked up dredging. Her leg parts washed up in a totally different area then her torso. Could her torso have been buried deep in the sand during low tide. never expecting it to be seen again? Hence the reason for not worrying about leaving in her piercings and distinguishable tats. It could very well be that if that is the case her hands and feet may just be buried under the sand at the beach also. Just thinking outloud here. If they had no clue about the dredging going to be going on, they would not expect it to surface, at least not that soon, possibly hoping that decomp would make it unidentifiable by the time it surfaced if it ever did. IMHO

 

[PTMUSCLE]

Lighter smaller objects float farther and faster than larger objects ie extremities vs torso

 

[Mimiof8]

I'll check later to hard to read on phone

 

[manzana]

Graphic Warning....

okay, so because I was not certain, I looked up dredging. Her leg parts washed up in a totally different area then her torso. Could her torso have been buried deep in the sand during low tide. never expecting it to be seen again? Hence the reason for not worrying about leaving in her piercings and distinguishable tats. It could very well be that if that is the case her hands and feet may just be buried under the sand at the beach also. Just thinking outloud here. If they had no clue about the dredging going to be going on, they would not expect it to surface, at least not that soon, possibly hoping that decomp would make it unidentifiable by the time it surfaced if it ever did. IMHO

Interesting theory on the dismemberment. Only thing is I think they would make damn sure the torso would not come up so soon.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

My gut is telling me it had nothing to do about Money either. JL knew something. And TS wanted her quite IMHO

If that's the case, then either the other dancers that were approached that night also know something and they were targets too or they are lying about being approached. What do you think?

 

[PTMUSCLE]

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