GUILTY LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 5 June 2012 - #5

[JustTheFactsMam]

I was thinking what about the road that goes from chalmette to slidel. I think hwy 1 but i may be wrong. Nothing is on that roadf since katrina. The road where the twin span are. That would wash out the lake right to shore fast

 

[JustTheFactsMam]

U know letting MS out of jail may not be such a bad idea. Follow her like white on rice. May lead to more evidence

 

[JustTheFactsMam]

I think LE relesed a statment on the case just to keep it relevant. So we know they havent forgotten her

 

[gngr~snap]

If MS didnt know that TS was a sex offender its the first time i have heard of ignorance being an excuse to break a law. But i do understand. I dont run a background check on all my friends

Did he even tell her his real name? NOT that she would search him but if she did,he would not show up on any "list" well "he" didn't exist... so she would have discovered that as well! lol

 

[75Scout]

I think LE relesed a statment on the case just to keep it relevant. So we know they havent forgotten her

I don't think LE released a statement. It looks like WGNO sleuthed around and called and asked what was up. It looks like WGNO was following up on it's previous report about MAS being in the show.

Investigators are looking for all of the unedited, raw footage of MAS, and I am sure that, following protocol, they will get it.

 

[SwampMama]

I'm replying on response to a few comments by a few posters and don't have the skill to quote multiple posts.

I think that the saying that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" , means that if I run a stop sign and say I didn't know there was a law against it then that doesn't help me because as a licensed driver, I should know that law. If I didn't know it then that is my fault and doesn't excuse me. So they have to prove she KNEW he was a sex offender on the run.

So MAS will probably plead that she didn't know he was a sex offender, which is different than not knowing that it was illegal to give harbor a fugitive sex offender who was in violation.There needs to be proof that she knew who he was or that she knew he committed crimes.

She is definitely covering for him but they need to nail it down within the parameters of violating a law to charge her. She certainly has NOT been forthcoming with information about him since her arrest. In light of the fact that she now definitely knows he is one bad character, you'd think she would be telling all if she truly had been deceived and were inncent or a victim of his con game. But no, she continues to "stand by her man" which tells me she knew a LOT and was a willing helper, happy to help her man commit crimes.

But I hope that LE has any computer or phone that she might have used to access the internet. Hopefully they can find where she signed onto the internet from and can see if she googled the names TS gave her. She seems the vapid type who would have doodled his name on her notebook, so to speak so I imagine that she had looked her man's name up.

Most people do google their own name and the names of people they date (in the beginning). I am wondering where she got her internet access from. Was it a laptop, a smart phone, a family member's or friend's computer

She "married" him so surely there was some point when he would have had to have some sort of ID for that. Surely he had to have some type of ID (or excuse why he didn't have a drivers license in his "name")? Wouldn't he have had to show some type of ID for a his job? If so, what type of ID was it? Did he drive her car? I'm sure he must have. Usually in a couple, it is the man that drives (although not always).

There were a million signs that she should have seen and simply chose to ignore or simply didnt care about because she finally had a man. No matter how I look at it, she just keep looking more pathetic, more desperate to have a man and most of all, more guilty.

 

[SwampMama]

I knew that legally that abc didnt have to honor the subpoena because it came from out of state but just because they don't "legally" have to honor it, there is no reason why they wouldn't do it voluntarily. Why give the impression that they are assisting a potential murderer? Why not just do the right thing? What tarnish their image by refusing to cooperate in catching a killer?

 

[Clodumbo]

U know letting MS out of jail may not be such a bad idea. Follow her like white on rice. May lead to more evidence

You know. I was actually thinking the same thing. By releasing MAS she may get drunk or do drugs and start to "sing like a canary." However, being that she is under so much pressure and she is known to have mental issues. She could commit suicide - then we will never find out the truth! However, if she is released, her family & friends are going to have to babysit her - 24/7.

P.S. Thanks for your input on the Garfield Fishing Pier.

 

[friendofthecourt]

I didn't know they could just turn over the video and not go through the rigamarole. Glad I made a protest on the site. Reading the Addie Hall and Zack Bowen book, they mention that you can't be held for more than sixty days on suspicion of a felony in Louisiana without being charged. I guess they will have to let MAS out soon if they don't have evidence,

 

[Clodumbo]

If MS didnt know that TS was a sex offender its the first time i have heard of ignorance being an excuse to break a law. But i do understand. I dont run a background check on all my friends

You make a very valid point. I don't run a background checks on all my friends either,
however I am sure that there are things that TS told MAS that would sound very creepy.

As the old saying goes - “Birds of the same feather flock together.”

 

[melwltrs58]

I'm replying on response to a few comments by a few posters and don't have the skill to quote multiple posts.

I think that the saying that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" , means that if I run a stop sign and say I didn't know there was a law against it then that doesn't help me because as a licensed driver, I should know that law. If I didn't know it then that is my fault and doesn't excuse me. So they have to prove she KNEW he was a sex offender on the run.

So MAS will probably plead that she didn't know he was a sex offender, which is different than not knowing that it was illegal to give harbor a fugitive sex offender who was in violation.There needs to be proof that she knew who he was or that she knew he committed crimes.

She is definitely covering for him but they need to nail it down within the parameters of violating a law to charge her. She certainly has NOT been forthcoming with information about him since her arrest. In light of the fact that she now definitely knows he is one bad character, you'd think she would be telling all if she truly had been deceived and were inncent or a victim of his con game. But no, she continues to "stand by her man" which tells me she knew a LOT and was a willing helper, happy to help her man commit crimes.

But I hope that LE has any computer or phone that she might have used to access the internet. Hopefully they can find where she signed onto the internet from and can see if she googled the names TS gave her. She seems the vapid type who would have doodled his name on her notebook, so to speak so I imagine that she had looked her man's name up.

Most people do google their own name and the names of people they date (in the beginning). I am wondering where she got her internet access from. Was it a laptop, a smart phone, a family member's or friend's computer

She "married" him so surely there was some point when he would have had to have some sort of ID for that. Surely he had to have some type of ID (or excuse why he didn't have a drivers license in his "name")? Wouldn't he have had to show some type of ID for a his job? If so, what type of ID was it? Did he drive her car? I'm sure he must have. Usually in a couple, it is the man that drives (although not always).

There were a million signs that she should have seen and simply chose to ignore or simply didnt care about because she finally had a man. No matter how I look at it, she just keep looking more pathetic, more desperate to have a man and most of all, more guilty.

According to the friend that they spent the night with before they were arrested, LE took her laptop and some clothes from the friends home.

 

[2LuckyDogs]

I'm replying on response to a few comments by a few posters and don't have the skill to quote multiple posts.

I think that the saying that "ignorance of the law is no excuse" , means that if I run a stop sign and say I didn't know there was a law against it then that doesn't help me because as a licensed driver, I should know that law. If I didn't know it then that is my fault and doesn't excuse me. So they have to prove she KNEW he was a sex offender on the run.

So MAS will probably plead that she didn't know he was a sex offender, which is different than not knowing that it was illegal to give harbor a fugitive sex offender who was in violation.There needs to be proof that she knew who he was or that she knew he committed crimes.

She is definitely covering for him but they need to nail it down within the parameters of violating a law to charge her. She certainly has NOT been forthcoming with information about him since her arrest. In light of the fact that she now definitely knows he is one bad character, you'd think she would be telling all if she truly had been deceived and were inncent or a victim of his con game. But no, she continues to "stand by her man" which tells me she knew a LOT and was a willing helper, happy to help her man commit crimes.

But I hope that LE has any computer or phone that she might have used to access the internet. Hopefully they can find where she signed onto the internet from and can see if she googled the names TS gave her. She seems the vapid type who would have doodled his name on her notebook, so to speak so I imagine that she had looked her man's name up.

Most people do google their own name and the names of people they date (in the beginning). I am wondering where she got her internet access from. Was it a laptop, a smart phone, a family member's or friend's computer

She "married" him so surely there was some point when he would have had to have some sort of ID for that. Surely he had to have some type of ID (or excuse why he didn't have a drivers license in his "name")? Wouldn't he have had to show some type of ID for a his job? If so, what type of ID was it? Did he drive her car? I'm sure he must have. Usually in a couple, it is the man that drives (although not always).

There were a million signs that she should have seen and simply chose to ignore or simply didnt care about because she finally had a man. No matter how I look at it, she just keep looking more pathetic, more desperate to have a man and most of all, more guilty.

I do recall from a news report that TS had several fake photo ID's on him at the time of the traffic stop. Certainly MAS would have seen one of these at some point?

LE said several times that she talks with her dad alot. I would think since MAS asked for him early on that he could convince her to "spill the beans".

MAS knows her way around a computer as she appeared to subscribe to many social networking sites and I think she would have googled his name.

 

[2LuckyDogs]

You know. I was actually thinking the same thing. By releasing MAS she may get drunk or do drugs and start to "sing like a canary." However, being that she is under so much pressure and she is known to have mental issues. She could commit suicide - then we will never find out the truth! However, if she is released, her family & friends are going to have to babysit her - 24/7.

P.S. Thanks your input on the Garfield Fishing Pier.

I too was thinking along the same lines. I would think that question came up at a family round table discussion..... "What will we do with MAS if bonded out"

 

[Clodumbo]

http://www.smpdd.com/assets/Planning/publications/Hancock_County_Access_Sites_September_2011.pdf

Came across this link which I know is TMI but might help some u derstand areas around here and what locals refer to when posting.

The Garfield Ladner Pier is pg 36 - someone asked if it wasn't bad weather around 3:30-4 am "that night" - it did not get bad until the Fri. That Thurs as we passed by LE on beach around 5:45, it was nice weather.

Page 7 shows the area behind the Silver Slipper that many have mentioned. Page 8 is also in that area - at Bayou Caddy. These areas are very dark and empty at night. Page 8 page 27 is around Bordages Marina - totally secluded and bayous go out into Gulf/Sound but don't think anything could easily move to larger water.

Page 16 is what some have mentioned being across from Bucaneer - the concrete pier. It's actually pass Bucaneer in Clermont Harbor but not far from Bucaneer. Currently the area directly across from Bucaneer is marshes - would be easy for someone to dump something out around there.

Page 13 is Cedar Point, 14 is at Dunbar Ave and 15 is at Hollywood Casino. These are at very end of Beach Blvd and very secluded. Anything dumped around there could move west to BSL/Waveland or across Bay/MS Sound to Long Beach area - where other pcs/parts were found. All depends on currents and wind which were not in anyway normal pass Friday.

When looking at all areas, you have to realize that until you get into Waveland going east on Beach, it's totally dark at night. And, people are always on seawall, the beach or on piers. So no one would think anything if they saw a couple in marsh area late at night. Weather is still good prior to Thurs and people would be out fishing all night.

Anyway, probably more info than anyone wanted but thought link was interesting and a good representation of area.

Excuse any spelling or other errors - not easy on iPad.

Thank you! This is great information. You made some very interesting points.

 

[SwampMama]

According to the friend that they spent the night with before they were arrested, LE took her laptop and some clothes from the friends home.

So MAS left her laptop and some clothes by her friend's house? I missed that info so thanks for sharing it. I'm glad to know that they have her laptop and I hope it yields a wealth of info.

Ok so now I want to know about this "60 days to hold someone on a suspicion of a felony without charging them". I'm wondering when the counting of the 60 days begins.

Technically she has been in custody for her charges of resisting arrest which she pleaded no contest to a day or so ago. i didn't see where she was sentenced to anything but that she was given credit for time served. So does that mean she still has sentencing for that or did they just consider her time served was all she would have to do for that and that case is over with?

Ok then since she was arrested on June 12 (I believe) does the 60 days start from then OR does it start from the time that her resisting arrest charge is completed? Hmmm,

So she could possibly be free in 3 weeks on/about Aug 12 OR her 60 day detention could start from the day she is free of her resisting arrest charges?

Does that make sense and can anyone explain how that might work?

But it does look like her family is none too eager to have her home. They have yet to come up with the money which would be $3500 cash (if i understand the bond process properly) and the rest of the 35,000 bond would be secured by their home or some other property of value as collateral?

If that is the case then it sounds like her family doesn't trust her enough to risk their home or 35,000 on her or maybe they know what a huge problem she would be to have at home and they just don't want to do it. I wonder how she feels about them not bonding her out?

I am hoping that LE has enough to charge her and hold her on another charge if she does manage to get free (with or without bond). I am praying they are just holding off, waiting to get it all together, so it can all hit her like a ton of brinks and she will KNOW that her gig is up and that she screwed up majorly by not cooperating to begin with!

 

[2LuckyDogs]

I would think that her charge for harboring a sex offender which I believe was on Jun 18 would be considered the felony charge. If so, I would imagine the 60 days would be from this point. Or the 60 days her first time in court. I don't think she has gone to court yet for the felony charge.
Not sure how all that works either.

 

[reedus23]

I knew that legally that abc didnt have to honor the subpoena because it came from out of state but just because they don't "legally" have to honor it, there is no reason why they wouldn't do it voluntarily. Why give the impression that they are assisting a potential murderer? Why not just do the right thing? What tarnish their image by refusing to cooperate in catching a killer?

Because then people like MAS wouldn't do interviews with them anymore and we wouldn't even have the raw footage to talk about in the first place is my thoughts. I imagine they got the subpoena, called LE, said look, for these reasons we can't turn it over, but we will start compiling it all together and if you go get a NY subpoena we'll have it ready for you, thus the LE comment about "red tape". Adds some time to the process, but not much.

 

[reedus23]

Let's say that hypothetically, MAS's grandmother left a "wheelchair" in the home that MAS lives in. They could have used this to bring her down the pier, covering her up with a blanket - if there were people around at 3:30am.

Obviously, any scenerio could be too risky! Unless it's a secluded place? JMO

Yeah anything is possible and all is risky, but in my estimation, disposing of the body is probably the second most risky period for the perp, maybe the most risky, the other being the abduction itself. It would seem to me the less intricate and the less time exposed is the route a perp would go. Then again, I'm glad to say I don't process things like TS or MAS so who knows.

 

[aconcernedcitizen]

As to the throw away phone, I remember having to get one about 5 years ago when my ex moved out and my phone was on his plan. I bought the phone and a minutes card with cash but I definitely needed to use a computer to register the phone and add the minutes to it. I don't know how hard it would be to trace it to a specific user/ I.P. address though.

I believe MAS's lawyer is correct that it will be difficult to prove that she knew he was actually a sex offender on the run. I have a feeling that while she probably disclosed her "friendship with Addie" and how she was going to be on Final Witness and any gory detail TS wanted to know, I seriously doubt he would be as forthcoming about his past. The facebook accts they used when he was supposedly using the alias Allen Rice. He may have also used this alias when they were getting married as well. IF he even bothered to file for a marriage license, this could explain why it was not a valid marriage. You need birth certificates and photo identification to apply for the marriage license as well as divorce decree if you are remarrying. She may very well be a victim of his fraud.
Also hard to believe a mother would marry a RSO! Eventually he would have come in contact with her children. Although I doubt she was in her right mind, but still....
However I am still convinced she played a very active role in what happened to Jaren. I would not be surprised that IF murder charges are filed, they will be 1st degree. I have a hard time believing someone sounding so desperate trying to bait a "treat" or "entertainment for a private party" did not have some sort of premeditated motive. Let's assume first girl asked is down with a 3-way. Is that all that would have really happened that night? Or would it be more akin to the Atwood murders? If there was really a party or third party wanting a girl for $500-$700 that night, there would either be a witness(es), another perp, or there was no intent of partying or payment and that would lead me to believe that murder was the intent all along. Why else would they change their story to the girl who was interviewed? Of course I'm not sure how much credibility she deserves nor do I have reason to suspect she would lie. There are just so many unknowns at this point to make much sense of what happened at all.

If true that a suspect can only de detained for 60 days without charges, either they don't have enough proof to charge her, or they don't think she is much of threat to society - very similiar to P.B.'s role in the Atwood killings. I am still amazed that those occured less that 10 years ago and she is already out of jail. I don't care if she did admit her crimes and lead LE to the bodies. She was the one who lured them to their deaths (same as MAS???) They will probably only give MAS a slap on the wrist for this as well (if she sees charges)

 

[Clodumbo]

Thank you for your post. You make some very interesting comments.
However, I do believe that MAS is very “computer literate” and that
she knew that TS was indeed a ROS! He probably even bragged about
it. You can find a trail of her "computer literacy" on the web very easily.

Please remember that MAS is not your average person. Personally I think
she is a highly intelligent woman with a very devious mind.

As for Louisiana Law: It states: Whoever commits the crime of harboring
or concealing a sexual offender, sexually violent predator, or child predator
shall be imprisoned not more than five years or fined not more than five
thousand dollars, or both. At least two years of the sentence imposed
shall be served without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of
sentence.

TITLE 15 — Criminal procedure RS 15:551

Source: http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=408642
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