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Archangel7 said:
Hearing a "ring" when a cell phone is "called" is not the same as pinging the phone nor does it mean the phone is serviceable.

Even a destroyed cell phone will "ring"(to the caller) when called for a period of time depending on the service provider.

When a call is made to a cell number, the tower that last "saw" the cell phone tries to connect. As this is in the process, you will hear ringing so you will know it is trying to connect, otherwise you would hang up.

If the last tower that "saw" the cell phone can't connect(as in the cell phone has moved out of range, the list of towers expand until a connection is made, goes to voice mail or you get an error message.

If the CG or the LE "sting-rayed" the cell phone, they would know it's location.
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Thank you, very informative!

If LE "sting-rayed" the phone and knew its location would it be their duty to try and retrieve it, this being a missing person case?
 
Elainera said:
Thank you, very informative!

If LE "sting-rayed" the phone and knew its location would it be their duty to try and retrieve it, this being a missing person case?
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Very Very Interesting........I wonder if they can take TEXT DATA also....
 
Archangel7 said:
Hearing a "ring" when a cell phone is "called" is not the same as pinging the phone nor does it mean the phone is serviceable.

Even a destroyed cell phone will "ring"(to the caller) when called for a period of time depending on the service provider.

When a call is made to a cell number, the tower that last "saw" the cell phone tries to connect. As this is in the process, you will hear ringing so you will know it is trying to connect, otherwise you would hang up.

If the last tower that "saw" the cell phone can't connect(as in the cell phone has moved out of range, the list of towers expand until a connection is made, goes to voice mail or you get an error message.

If the CG or the LE "sting-rayed" the cell phone, they would know it's location.
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Thanks for the help!

Based on the evidence of Shane's cell phone in this case, and the above information, what do you believe happened here?

Satch
 
This is what AA7 means by "stingray".

stingray-700x845-640x772.jpg


http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...ps-and-providers-use-to-track-your-every-move

Kenny, this does not retrieve the content of text messages, or a log of incoming and outgoing phone calls (though it might retrieve phone numbers). That information can be obtained from the provider with a court order or search warrant (requirements vary among jurisdictions) IF the information is still available at the time of the request. This pdf I linked earlier shows the length of time different providers keep various types of records.

"Stingray", what JPSO and the CG apparently did with Shane's phone, pertains to the location of the device. I'm not sure JPSO would have had this technology available three years ago. The Coast Guard probably did, though. If not, then they had to obtain the tower data from the provider.

More reading on LE and cellphone tracking, tracing, surveillance, and provider records.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/trickle-down-surveillance

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/cell_phone_tracking_documents_-_final.pdf

https://ssd.eff.org/wire/govt/pen-registers

https://www.aclu.org/protecting-civ...hone-location-tracking-public-records-request
 
HauntsForHope said:
The police coming to the house? Yes, it's moot. There's no grand conspiracy of the NOLA LE. Just doing their jobs imho.
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How do we know that the police went to Shane's house? Was this supposedly before or after the accident?
 
HauntsForHope said:
One drink per hour for 180 lb man (Estimating) is only a BAC of .02... no where near DUI of .08 (Avg) Not sure what the BAC level is for NOLA.

IIRC it was raining at 1am the night of June 9 - 10, 2011

And that Dead Man's Curve is a known location for accidents.

I don't think we know the cause of the accident. There were no other cars involved. Only Shane's car, which rolled coming through the curve. imo
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Bolded by me...

I seem to remember the accident report stating that it was clear and DRY that night.
 
I keep thinking about Hayley Howard, the young woman who drove her car into Lake Pontchartrain this past April. She'd been out late drinking, too, probably much more than Shane. According to some friends, she was in pretty bad shape. Here nor there, St. Tammany Parish SO reacted so differently. They immediately released the "ping" locations, even though there was a technical glitch that created some confusion. They put it all out there, and volunteers were out searching for her phone before her car was found in the lake.

When Terrilynn went missing last March, NOPD was forthcoming with news about her location. I know some feel NOPD should have released more information, and her family was left in the dark on certain issues. When it came to her last known whereabouts, however, and the route it was believed she drove (again there was a snafu, but with camera images), the public was kept in the know. LE worked with the volunteer searchers in an all out community effort to find her, just like with Hayley. Why so different for Shane?

Found Deceased LA - Hayley Howard, 19, New Orleans, 1 Mar 2014 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Found Deceased LA - Terrilynn Monette, 26, New Orleans, 2 Mar 2013 - #4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
cleo612 said:
Bolded by me...

I seem to remember the accident report stating that it was clear and DRY that night.
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It was dry. About .04 inches of rain fell earlier in the day around noon. Then no more rain for the next couple of days.

Total rainfall June 6-9, 2011, was approximately 1.25". On June 6, 0.05" rain fell around noon.

http://www.wunderground.com/persona...LANEWOR10#history/s20110605/e20110609/mcustom
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cleo612 said:
How do we know that the police went to Shane's house? Was this supposedly before or after the accident?
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See the pdf at post #40 which hannah1988 was kind enough to purchase and share with us (scroll down to the narrative), and sillybilly's timeline at post #48


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I really appreciate the information on pinging via Bessie, Archangel & Irish...amazing what we can learn here at WS
 
KENNY FELL said:
We at the time didn't know about ping the phones....The CG GUY told us about it and did it....He told us the phone was still pinging and a good sign that it didn't go in water...The police ping the phone but for how many days ...They never told us..but we know they did it..We would call the phone everyday just to see if it was still on...After Wednesday it did nothing
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Do you think it is time for face to face time with the detective.....surprise him by showing up at his precinct at 730 a.m. kind of thing....and just ask point blank where the pings led??


Archangel7 & IrishDetective do you think this would work?
 
Wow, plenty of advice on cell phones, so what's the bottom line folks?
 
Satch said:
This is weather information for Marrero Louisiana on the day that Shane went missing and the day after:

On June 9th, 2011, the closest available weather station to Marrero, LA (NEW ORLEANS ALVIN CALLENDER F, LA), reported the following conditions:

High Temp: 89.1F
Low Temp: 71.1F
Average Temp: 79.4F
Dewpoint: 68.3F
Wind Speed: 3.9 Knots
Precipitation Amount: 0 Inches
Snow Depth: n/a
Observations: Rain/Drizzle, Thunder

On June 10th, 2011, the closest available weather station to Marrero, LA (NEW ORLEANS ALVIN CALLENDER F, LA), reported the following conditions:

High Temp: 90F
Low Temp: 69.1F
Average Temp: 79.9F
Dewpoint: 66.5F
Wind Speed: 2.6 Knots
Precipitation Amount: 0 Inches
Snow Depth: n/a
Observations: n/a

Source: http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather-history/

Satch
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Bringing this forward for review...

911 caller "The windshield wipers are still on."
 
bessie said:
This is what AA7 means by "stingray".

stingray-700x845-640x772.jpg


http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/1...ps-and-providers-use-to-track-your-every-move

Kenny, this does not retrieve the content of text messages, or a log of incoming and outgoing phone calls (though it might retrieve phone numbers). That information can be obtained from the provider with a court order or search warrant (requirements vary among jurisdictions) IF the information is still available at the time of the request. This pdf I linked earlier shows the length of time different providers keep various types of records.

"Stingray", what JPSO and the CG apparently did with Shane's phone, pertains to the location of the device. I'm not sure JPSO would have had this technology available three years ago. The Coast Guard probably did, though. If not, then they had to obtain the tower data from the provider.

More reading on LE and cellphone tracking, tracing, surveillance, and provider records.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/trickle-down-surveillance

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/cell_phone_tracking_documents_-_final.pdf

https://ssd.eff.org/wire/govt/pen-registers

https://www.aclu.org/protecting-civ...hone-location-tracking-public-records-request
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Wow, this is really cool. So you're saying this is what was done in Shane's investigation? There will be records of this in their file? That would make getting a court order worthwhile, if they have actual coordinates.
 
Archangel7 said:
Hearing a "ring" when a cell phone is "called" is not the same as pinging the phone nor does it mean the phone is serviceable.

Even a destroyed cell phone will "ring"(to the caller) when called for a period of time depending on the service provider.

When a call is made to a cell number, the tower that last "saw" the cell phone tries to connect. As this is in the process, you will hear ringing so you will know it is trying to connect, otherwise you would hang up.

If the last tower that "saw" the cell phone can't connect(as in the cell phone has moved out of range, the list of towers expand until a connection is made, goes to voice mail or you get an error message.

If the CG or the LE "sting-rayed" the cell phone, they would know it's location.
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So, the coast guard was wrong? It would still be ringing if the phone was underwater?
 
cleo612 said:
How do we know that the police went to Shane's house? Was this supposedly before or after the accident?
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It's summarized in the timeline from the investigator's Narrative included in the State of Louisiana Uniform Motor Vehicle Traffic Crash Report.

Near the beginning of his Narrative, the state investigator notes that he was told by a JPSO deputy that another deputy was sent to Shane's home (time unknown), and later states that after the scene was cleared, he (the state investigator) and another trooper met at Shane's house.

Once again, the link for the timeline:

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The timeline can't possibly contain the wording of every single document .. it is just a summary to keep known facts sorted chronologically. Sorry I can't find the link for the investigator's Narrative right now. It's back in the thread somewhere and i'll try to find it and will post when I do.
 
HauntsForHope said:
I don't know if they did, I was responding to someone elses claims.
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It wasn't "someone elses claims" ... it's a known fact as noted in the state crash report found much earlier in this thread and summarized in the timeline. The only unknown is the time the JPSO deputy attended.
 
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