Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[matou]

Police now believe Babcock, whose friends and family have waited two years for answers after she disappeared without a word, was killed around July 3, 2012. That new information, filed in court Thursday, means she was likely dead for 11 days before she was ever reported missing.

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...liminate-hope-of-finding-laura-babcock-alive/

 

[matou]

When was the last phone call to DM on her phone bill? I think I have a photo on here.

 

[matou]

Did DM go on a trip with friends right around early July 2012?

I went back to the first thread for Laura and there were posts about him going to Vegas and CN was there too.

 

[matou]

Her phone bill appears in this video at 1:46 and there are four calls on July 3rd to DM's phone (Millardair I believe). There is a voicemail at 7:03 pm on July 3rd as well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[swedie]

Her phone bill appears in this video at 1:46 and there are four calls on July 3rd to DM's phone (Millardair I believe). There is a voicemail at 7:03 pm on July 3rd as well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

HTH Matou. Screenshot of her phone bill. I don't know how to link to past thread/posts here on WS, but this type of information can be found on LB's thread around page 21, 22.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34525&d=1370022410

 

[toxicrose]

Her phone bill appears in this video at 1:46 and there are four calls on July 3rd to DM's phone (Millardair I believe). There is a voicemail at 7:03 pm on July 3rd as well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

::MOO, maybe DM had her phone and did the calls himself(or the last few), not sure if there was a voice message left or if it was just silence or background noise, but if LB did die on july 3rd, and DM wanted to cover his tracks he could have "easily" done so if he had her phone, maybe they found her phone on the farm or something. just my thoughts

 

[JPC]

Did DM go on a trip with friends right around early July 2012?

I went back to the first thread for Laura and there were posts about him going to Vegas and CN was there too.

He also went to Croatia at this time.

 

[hopingforjustice]

I find it pretty interesting that an unidentified lanscaping company approached DM camp to purchase this particular land to presumably set up shop. Hopefully there is no chance additional evidence is on site at that location from other possible crimes as I remember the photo of DM's "in-operable" excavating machine (partially covered in snow if I remember correct) that was sitting in the middle of the acreage at the Ayr farm.

While I find the idea "ghastly" and I myself would not do it, I do have to admit that I understand why this company did it. It is a very suitable location for their type of business and in a very valuable area.
Smack dab in the middle for their clientele and their suppliers.

The excavator has been moved out of the swamp and has been up front for some time now.

Without personal ties and emotion, business is business and that company secured a nice piece of property to enhance their business for a good price by being aggressive...plain and simple

I just hope they can deal with anything "extra" they may or may not find..

 

[MsSherlock]

Police now believe Babcock, whose friends and family have waited two years for answers after she disappeared without a word, was killed around July 3, 2012. That new information, filed in court Thursday, means she was likely dead for 11 days before she was ever reported missing.

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...liminate-hope-of-finding-laura-babcock-alive/

IMO, it's pretty difficult to tell the time of death without a body, unless they have some other hard core evidence such as pic's, video or witness testimony. Seeing that they filed this on Thursday, at the same time they had CN is court, kind of makes me think that the info has come from CN-really reminding me of KH. Something along the lines were she was too afraid to come forward because she was powerless to DM or afraid she'd meet the same fate. That leaves me wondering why did DM feel it was necessary to kill LB- did she have something on him as well? MOO

 

[Variant]

IMO, it's pretty difficult to tell the time of death without a body, unless they have some other hard core evidence such as pic's, video or witness testimony. Seeing that they filed this on Thursday, at the same time they had CN is court, kind of makes me think that the info has come from CN-really reminding me of KH. Something along the lines were she was too afraid to come forward because she was powerless to DM or afraid she'd meet the same fate. That leaves me wondering why did DM feel it was necessary to kill LB- did she have something on him as well? MOO

I sadly think it was even less than this. Laura had become an irritant, she was extremely vulnerable and isolated and he saw the opportunity to try a new thrill, which he then repeated.

 

[SnooperDuper]

IMO, it's pretty difficult to tell the time of death without a body, unless they have some other hard core evidence such as pic's, video or witness testimony. Seeing that they filed this on Thursday, at the same time they had CN is court, kind of makes me think that the info has come from CN-really reminding me of KH. Something along the lines were she was too afraid to come forward because she was powerless to DM or afraid she'd meet the same fate. That leaves me wondering why did DM feel it was necessary to kill LB- did she have something on him as well? MOO

Leitch said Noudga made a statement to police after she was arrested Thursday, but could not say whether she is being co-operative.

“We don’t usually arrest co-operating witnesses,” Leitch said.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/12/tim_bosma_murder_case_laura_babcock_dead_before_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html

I sadly think it was even less than this. Laura had become an irritant, she was extremely vulnerable and isolated and he saw the opportunity to try a new thrill, which he then repeated.

Interesting that you brought that up because not everyone bought the "thrill kill" theory - people insisted that there had to be more to TB's death than that. Now LB is a thrill kill? Seriously, there had to be a motive.

I would find it easy to believe DM killed LB if she said she was pregnant by him...however if she was escorting he would be unlikely to take that claim personally.

 

[Alethea Dice]

IMO, it's pretty difficult to tell the time of death without a body, unless they have some other hard core evidence such as pic's, video or witness testimony. Seeing that they filed this on Thursday, at the same time they had CN is court, kind of makes me think that the info has come from CN-really reminding me of KH. Something along the lines were she was too afraid to come forward because she was powerless to DM or afraid she'd meet the same fate. That leaves me wondering why did DM feel it was necessary to kill LB- did she have something on him as well? MOO

I think that their belief of her time of death as "around" July 3rd is based on when the activity on her phone stopped.

According to Ann B, at some point before she disappeared, she had told CN that her relationship with DM had changed to being more than just friends. That couldn't have made CN very happy.

JMO

 

[bessie]

HTH Matou. Screenshot of her phone bill. I don't know how to link to past thread/posts here on WS, but this type of information can be found on LB's thread around page 21, 22.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34525&d=1370022410

Here's the link to Matou's post.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9454576&postcount=40"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CANADA - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012[/ame]

I've attached the image to this post, as well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...id=rss1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[matou]

Bessie, can we add the first LB thread to the OP here? xo

 

[JPC]

Did DM go on a trip with friends right around early July 2012?

I went back to the first thread for Laura and there were posts about him going to Vegas and CN was there too.

He went to Croatia

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[Variant]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/12/tim_bosma_murder_case_laura_babcock_dead_before_she_was_reported_missing_police_allege.html



Interesting that you brought that up because not everyone bought the "thrill kill" theory - people insisted that there had to be more to TB's death than that. Now LB is a thrill kill? Seriously, there had to be a motive.

I would find it easy to believe DM killed LB if she said she was pregnant by him...however if she was escorting he would be unlikely to take that claim personally.

Time may tell. The more that is revealed about DM and his psychology you might find he didn't need a grand motive - do you think there is a bigger motive than the truck and adventure behind Tim's kill?

In the original coverage of DM's arrest one of the Hamilton Police Service's sources was quoted as saying the murder was like something out of The Following. I'm suggesting that this shouldn't be discounted any more than any other theory out there.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Time may tell. The more that is revealed about DM and his psychology you might find he didn't need a grand motive - do you think there is a bigger motive than the truck and adventure behind Tim's kill?

In the original coverage of DM's arrest one of the Hamilton Police Service's sources was quoted as saying the murder was like something out of The Following. I'm suggesting that this shouldn't be discounted any more than any other theory out there.

By the time DM killed TB, he had gotten away with murder twice and it became believable that just because he wanted a truck for the Baja 500, he would kill, because he could.

But LB now becomes his first victim, and you have to ask, what provoked him to go from non-murderer to murderer? Why didn't he say, LB, I don't want to know you, get lost, that's it? LB was disconnected enough from society (at times spending a nights in the park) that just cutting her off would have been devastating to her.

Did LB threaten to tell people DM was supplying her with drugs? I mean that seems to have been commonly known amongst her peers, but did she threaten to go to LE or WM?

 

[Woodland]

LB is the first murder in a series of murder charges, not necessarily his first murder. Jmo.

 

[Variant]

By the time DM killed TB, he had gotten away with murder twice and it became believable that just because he wanted a truck for the Baja 500, he would kill, because he could.

But LB now becomes his first victim, and you have to ask, what provoked him to go from non-murderer to murderer? Why didn't he say, LB, I don't want to know you, get lost, that's it? LB was disconnected enough from society (at times spending a nights in the park) that just cutting her off would have been devastating to her.

Did LB threaten to tell people DM was supplying her with drugs? I mean that seems to have been commonly known amongst her peers, but did she threaten to go to LE or WM?

When I have time I'll look into the motivation for multiple kill murderers' first kills - whether it was greater than for subsequent victims. Even in non-psychopathic murders the motive can be small - the slightest irritation.

Whether he premeditated Laura's murder, he apparently felt a thrill rather than the revulsion others might, learned that he could get away with it, and continued from there.

His post death treatment of his victims also says a lot about his personality.

 

[MsSherlock]

When I have time I'll look into the motivation for multiple kill murderers' first kills - whether it was greater than for subsequent victims. Even in non-psychopathic murders the motive can be small - the slightest irritation.

Whether he premeditated Laura's murder, he apparently felt a thrill rather than the revulsion others might, learned that he could get away with it, and continued from there.

His post death treatment of his victims also says a lot about his personality.

Variant, IMO this is an interesting read
"According to Garrison (1996), "the child becomes sociopathic because the normal development of the concepts of right and wrong and empathy towards others is retarded because the child's emotional and social development occurs within his self-centered fantasies. A person can do no wrong in his own world and the pain of others is of no consequence when the purpose of the fantasy world is to satisfy the needs of one person" (Garrison, 1996). Boundaries between fantasy and reality are lost and fantasies turn to dominance, control, sexual conquest, and violence, eventually leading to murder."
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer"]Serial killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]