Laura Babcock: Dellen Millard & Mark Smich charged w/Murder in the First Degree #1

[SnooperDuper]

I think that her ex-boyfriend also told police that she had his iPad and he tried to get them to track it in order to locate her. I'm sorry but I can't remember where I read that.

AB's latest:

"Last December, I met up with Lerner at a north Toronto food court. He stressed to me that from the time he walked into the 32 Division police station near Yonge and Sheppard to report Babcock missing, no one seemed to care—allegations he’s made previously in the media. The officer on duty agreed to take the report, but Lerner says that he laughed at the suggestion that it might be possible to trace the iPad loaned to Babcock and accused Lerner of playing CSI. Then Lerner brought up the fact that Babcock had been using drugs. “As soon as they heard about the drugs, that’s when they just wrote her off,” Lerner said."

http://www.thegridto.com/city/local-news/the-mystery-of-dellen-millard/

 

[Woodland]

Bringing this over from the TB thread page 16, post #383

Just for reference and insight on how TPS handles missing escorts or other vocations of some missing women - an article from 2 July 2012 re - Kera Freedland.

Deubelbeiss went to the Toronto Police right away and filed a missing person’s report, sensing something was very wrong and Freeland’s phone had been turned off.

“They didn’t believe me. Three cops came to my house, called me ‘Sweetie’ and told me that nobody just leaves their stuff. That she ran away and she’d be back,” Deubelbeiss says.


http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/02...-escorts-death

Condescending to say the least to use the term 'sweetie' when addressing a member of the public who has a serious concern for her missing friend. The missing friend of 'sweetie' turned up deceased in a ditch in Caldeon, north of Toronto. Her former roommate has been charged. This guy doesn't seem to be DM material so see the poor attitude as rampant within TPS.

Time for new leadership at TPS - someone who gets what the public expects of them and will deliver just that. Jmo.

Note - have had this link deleted before, hopefully it will stay this time. It's as relevant as one can get. Jmo.

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[Woodland]

:maddening:

Det. Carbone faced tough questions over the force’s handling of the Babcock case, specifically in regard to when Toronto police were in possession of phone records that revealed Ms. Babcock’s last call was to Mr. Millard. Her ex-boyfriend, Shawn Lerner, said he submitted her phone records to police last summer, but Det. Carbone said police became aware of the records as a result of Mr. Millard’s arrest.


He also said Ms. Babcock had been in contact with other people since last being in touch with Mr. Millard on July 3, 2012.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-with-babcocks-disappearance/article12332413/

Man I hope TPS are not part of the trial for DM and MS on this case.

 

[Wendy101]

There's clearly a problem when it comes to missing person cases because I've never heard of Laura Babcock until DM was charged. More media & awareness across the province for all missing people regardless of age and lifestyle would be helpful to the public.

Yeah, also doesn't help anyone who is interested in her case has to first look under Tim Bosma's name. IMO this main forum should be called Dellen Millard and his Victims... Not Tim Bosma. Tim is no more of a victim than Laura and Wayne were (and whoever else). New people searching WS to find out more about Millard will also have to find Tim Bosma first.. Makes no sense to me at all.

 

[jash]

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[iPhoneGuy]

Yeah, also doesn't help anyone who is interested in her case has to first look under Tim Bosma's name. IMO this main forum should be called Dellen Millard and his Victims... Not Tim Bosma. Tim is no more of a victim than Laura and Wayne were (and whoever else). New people searching WS to find out more about Millard will also have to find Tim Bosma first.. Makes no sense to me at all.

I believe the idea is to recognize the victim, not the alleged perpetrator, and each case seems to start with a victim and then the alleged perpetrators are named, and eventually brought to trial and either convicted or released, which would then continue the sleuthing.

This too is done by the initials, DM, MS, etc. ...

And, anyone searching WS or Google will find the appropriate thread(s) here, regardless of which sub-forum topic it is...

 

[Juballee]

:maddening:

Det. Carbone faced tough questions over the force’s handling of the Babcock case, specifically in regard to when Toronto police were in possession of phone records that revealed Ms. Babcock’s last call was to Mr. Millard. Her ex-boyfriend, Shawn Lerner, said he submitted her phone records to police last summer, but Det. Carbone said police became aware of the records as a result of Mr. Millard’s arrest.


He also said Ms. Babcock had been in contact with other people since last being in touch with Mr. Millard on July 3, 2012.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-with-babcocks-disappearance/article12332413/

I hate it when there are contradicting reports like this. Which is it? Was he the last one she contacted or were there other people who were in contact with her after her last contact with DM? I am sure someone on here will be able to point us to the most official and latest statement from the most direct source. I mean, this is a direct quote from the lead detective on her case after the DM connection was made, right? So is there another official LE statement after that one, saying that they were wrong and that DM was the last one she contacted after all?

 

[Alethea Dice]

AB's latest:

"Last December, I met up with Lerner at a north Toronto food court. He stressed to me that from the time he walked into the 32 Division police station near Yonge and Sheppard to report Babcock missing, no one seemed to care—allegations he’s made previously in the media. The officer on duty agreed to take the report, but Lerner says that he laughed at the suggestion that it might be possible to trace the iPad loaned to Babcock and accused Lerner of playing CSI. Then Lerner brought up the fact that Babcock had been using drugs. “As soon as they heard about the drugs, that’s when they just wrote her off,” Lerner said."

http://www.thegridto.com/city/local-news/the-mystery-of-dellen-millard/

I don't know much about iPad's, but how do you trace them? SL stated on the Find Laura FB page back on July 21, 2012 (11:36 pm) that he did not have the Find My iPad installed on it. Is there another way of tracing it, maybe through the sim card? He also said Rogers needed a subpoena to do it. I think we had this conversation before, but I'm drawing a blank.

TIA

 

[SnooperDuper]

<rsbm>

An ipad can be tracked provided that feature has been turned on. Also, if the feature is NOT turned on, and the ipad is found and turned in, LE can use the serial number / contact information to hook it up with it's owner:

http://science.opposingviews.com/can-apple-ipad-traced-18245.html

I don't know much about iPad's, but how do you trace them? SL stated on the Find Laura FB page back on July 21, 2012 (11:36 pm) that he did not have the Find My iPad installed on it. Is there another way of tracing it, maybe through the sim card? He also said Rogers needed a subpoena to do it. I think we had this conversation before, but I'm drawing a blank.

TIA

From 2011

http://www.cnet.com/news/researcher-iphone-ipad-track-users-whereabouts/

 

[SnooperDuper]

How police have obtained iPhone, iPad tracking logs

http://www.cnet.com/news/how-police-have-obtained-iphone-ipad-tracking-logs/

 

[Anyothername~]

First post. Hopefully it's in the right place.

Condolences to the families <3

Good work Sleuthers.

Curious if Vanessa Fotheringham has/had any connection to DM?
Something about her case feels similar to LB, possible mental health issues/drug addictions, high-risk lifestyle, limited or lack of a proper search rom the start...
The vehicle they believe she was last seen in was without rims. (chop-shoppy?)
London isn't that far distance wise to Toronto.

 

[SnooperDuper]

First post. Hopefully it's in the right place.

Condolences to the families <3

Good work Sleuthers.

Curious if Vanessa Fotheringham has/had any connection to DM?
Something about her case feels similar to LB, possible mental health issues/drug addictions, high-risk lifestyle, limited or lack of a proper search rom the start...
The vehicle they believe she was last seen in was without rims. (chop-shoppy?)
London isn't that far distance wise to Toronto.

London is more than 2 hours away from DM's home and the city has not come up as a place that DM traveled to.

 

[Woodland]

Fwiw Anyothername - I wouldn't write off Vanessa Fotheringham with regard to DM, regardless of location. One never knows - who thought DM would walk up to TB's home, lure him away then kill him - or at least be charged with killing him.

TPS wrote LB off wrt to DM, even though they had reason to question DM.

I'm open to your thought.

 

[cansleuther]

Curious if Vanessa Fotheringham has/had any connection to DM?
Something about her case feels similar to LB, possible mental health issues/drug addictions, high-risk lifestyle, limited or lack of a proper search rom the start...
The vehicle they believe she was last seen in was without rims. (chop-shoppy?)

Black steel rims and no hubcaps sound like snow tires, especially given the fact it was February. JMO.

Police say she may have been in a grey, 2002 Saturn Vue with black steel rims and no hubcaps. Police believe the vehicle was driven on Dundas Street East as well as the area around Wharncliffe Rd. North and Oxford St. West on the evening of Feb. 16, or in the early morning hours of Feb. 17.

http://metronews.ca/news/london/106457/london-police-renew-call-for-tips-to-locate-missing-woman/

 

[flipflop]

First post. Hopefully it's in the right place.

Condolences to the families <3

Good work Sleuthers.

Curious if Vanessa Fotheringham has/had any connection to DM?
Something about her case feels similar to LB, possible mental health issues/drug addictions, high-risk lifestyle, limited or lack of a proper search rom the start...
The vehicle they believe she was last seen in was without rims. (chop-shoppy?)
London isn't that far distance wise to Toronto.

Doesn't sound "chop-shoppy" just sounds like a car in southwestern Ontario with winter tires on winter rims.

 

[Variant]

Is she alive and well? Who stated she left Canada?

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/12/dellen-millards-engagement-photos.html

 

[Sillybilly]

I thought it was never proven a fiancée existed?


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We've seen the engagement pics but she's off-limits re discussion.

 

[Anyothername~]

Oops, meant hubs, but had rims stuck in my head.
Winter tires wasn't something I'd thought of, though.
Maybe it was how it was worded in the article. Thanks.

Still like to know if they found Vue/parts in the Hangar?
Or maybe a pink phone & netbook in the computer bust?

I'm not ruling out a connection between the two, despite the distance.
I know with internet it is possible to connect. 2 hours really isn't that far.
Roughly about an hour to Ancaster from Toronto, and they made that ride.
Dellen didn't seem to care about distance if it was something he wanted...

moo.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Oops, meant hubs, but had rims stuck in my head.
Winter tires wasn't something I'd thought of, though.
Maybe it was how it was worded in the article. Thanks.

Still like to know if they found Vue/parts in the Hangar?
Or maybe a pink phone & netbook in the computer bust?

I'm not ruling out a connection between the two, despite the distance.
I know with internet it is possible to connect. 2 hours really isn't that far.
Roughly about an hour to Ancaster from Toronto, and they made that ride.
Dellen didn't seem to care about distance if it was something he wanted...

moo.

Ancaster is within the area bounded by Brantford (where he has buddies) and Kitchener (the hangar) and London is far far FAR FAR FAR outside that area.

The computer bust is the collection of all the smartphones and computers and wiretaps etc. related to DM and his friends that were owned by DM & friends. MSM/LE has not reported finding any devices other than TB's phone.

The hangar where "way less than" 10 stolen vehicles turned up contained the bike and the trailer for it. No other stolen vehicles have been reported in MSM other than TB's truck.

 

[Woodland]

Oops, meant hubs, but had rims stuck in my head.
Winter tires wasn't something I'd thought of, though.
Maybe it was how it was worded in the article. Thanks.

Still like to know if they found Vue/parts in the Hangar?
Or maybe a pink phone & netbook in the computer bust?

I'm not ruling out a connection between the two, despite the distance.
I know with internet it is possible to connect. 2 hours really isn't that far.
Roughly about an hour to Ancaster from Toronto, and they made that ride.
Dellen didn't seem to care about distance if it was something he wanted...

moo.

A possible connection someday would not surprise me either Anyothername~ - it's not like we know everything DM, MS and now CN did in their spare time. The car associated with VF was not new but is a decent vehicle, just like all the other vehicles I have seen associated with DM's playground - used and somewhat chopped/modified and/or an unfinished product.

I would call Reno, Nevada a far far FAR FAR FAR place to go to pick up a used vehicle, not London, Ontario (both in the context/distance of Toronto and Breslau). IF VF was mobile, she could be anywhere and picked by many people.