Laura Babcock Murder Trial 10.30.17 - Day 6

[Errrr]

The crown really painted itself in to a corner with this love triangle theory. From what we have learned about LB, she was prone to extortion, and if you were going to extort DM wouldn't it be about his illegal activities and not his sex life?

Maybe they're trying to induce DM to toss CN under the wheels. She's his best alternate.
I wonder who tipped off the fiancée about the harem?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
The last time they spoke was over the phone. Orr was on her way to work. 4am. #Babcock was at a hotel. They spoke 20 minutes.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Before that it had been weeks since they'd had a long conversation, Orr says. Just the odd text message with #Babcock

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Laura #Babcock was talking about her business, told Orr she was high on cocaine. "She asked me to join in with her. "

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV
Orr says she read many messages between Babcock and Millard. She said most of them were dirty.

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Orr declined, but #Babcock wanted her to do other help with the business, she'd pay well. Orr still declined. "It's nothing I agree with."

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO
Orr last contact w Babcock on the phone, she was staying at a hotel. Spoke about again about her escort business she was "high off cocaine"

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
"I said take care of yourself. We're not strangers, she can call me," Orr says she never heard from #Babcock again. No texts, calls anything

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Orr was on vacation when she heard, in July 2012, Laura #Babcock was missing. Did she try to get in touch? "A million times."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Orr joined a Facebook group trying to find #Babcockat that time. She's tearing up again. Crown is done. Lunch now until 2pm

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO
Orr: I said to call me, make sure you are safe.
Never heard from her again.
Got a message in July that Laura Babcock was missing.
Lunch.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV
Orr says she was on vacation in Cuba when she heard that Babcock was missing in July 2012. She hasn't heard from her since.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV
Crown has wrapped questioning. We're now breaking for lunch until 2 p.m. EST.

 

[Errrr]

The "love triangle" tagline, IMO, was assigned by the media, not the Crown.

Media notoriously bad at arithmetic.

 

[RandomName479]

My guess as to why LB was "taken care of" (as opposed to JS, LW, the Mexican hooker....I'm sure I'm missing women) was that LB seemed to have wanted more and wasn't playing the quiet little side piece role very well.....she was vocal about being with DM and texted/antagonized CN (the "legit" gf at the time). She seems to have been emotionally unstable and DM likely didn't know what to expect from her. In NO WAY am I justifying what happened to her. MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Orr was on vacation when she heard, in July 2012, Laura #Babcock was missing. Did she try to get in touch? "A million times."

Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
Orr joined a Facebook group trying to find #Babcockat that time. She's tearing up again. Crown is done. Lunch now until 2pm

marianne boucher‏ @CityCourtsTO
Orr: I said to call me, make sure you are safe.
Never heard from her again.
Got a message in July that Laura Babcock was missing.
Lunch.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV
Orr says she was on vacation in Cuba when she heard that Babcock was missing in July 2012. She hasn't heard from her since.

Shannon Martin‏ @ShannonMartinTV
Crown has wrapped questioning. We're now breaking for lunch until 2 p.m. EST.

Thank you so much SnooperDuper for the transcription today!!!
You rock!

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[Claroon]

Exactly. Why not "get rid of" all the women with whom he was unfaithful to CN - what was special about LB? Extortion sounds like a good theory to me. Not discounting the pregnancy theory either.

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Wonder if LB was extorting someone else (like a doctor or DM or his family) and DM & MS offered to hurt her and get her out of their lives for a bit of money with his new elimination business?

 

[winter2017]

I don't think that it is not proven it was a love triangle. It was in CN s mind. She is now even proving to look like the evi l witch that believed she was. She IMO , pushed DM to get rid of CN. I have said that people did not start dying until CN got involved with DM. She may be the person behind it is it that much of coincidence that people started dying when she hooked up with DM. ?

 

[inbetweendoors]

I feel like I need to say this, and it's probably fair to speak for every one of us who is questioning the motive here, that no matter what LB did (extortion, being bothersome, catty, whatever) she DID NOT DESERVE what happened to her.
I worry people think I'm trying to excuse her killer, and I 100% am not. I don't think any of us are.
We simply want to know WHY, because I'm sure the majority of us cannot fathom a legitimate reason to ever kill someone. Well maybe Laura's parents do...

Justice for Laura. <3

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[Errrr]

Oh, so one of the defendants said LB would blackmail people - and CN's bff agreed that would happen when LB was off her meds.

No facts, just a statement on DM's part, with a correction from the witness.

Blackmail can be as simple as saying you'll kill yourself if you don't get what you want from someone.

 

[Kamille]

I don't know, I'd say it takes a special kind of commitment to another person to help cover up a murder. (Referring of course to TB.)

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Now you see here is where the word "extortion" makes more sense to me.

MOO

 

[winter2017]

RandomName479 , no I don't think it was DM that had anything against her, he seemed fine with stringing all these women along. IT was CN that had a problem with Laura, and you are right antagonized her and IMO that CN pushed DM to get rid of Laura. Why is that until CN got involved with DM no one was murdered? It was only when she got involved and it is clear she had extreme animosity to Laura that murder started happening. It has been my opinion all along that CN is the cause of this murder it is MO.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Now you see here is where the word "extortion" makes more sense to me.

MOO

I wonder how much reasonable doubt would be cast if MS took the stand and said CN was the real killer. Setting aside the fact that we have none of the forensics yet of course. Just purely speculating with this other theory. But in my mind its not entirely far fetched.

MOO.

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[SnooperDuper]

If a witness has to fly in, do they have to cover their own transportation and lodging or is that paid for by the Crown?
Can they refuse to come if they're out of the country?

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I believe a subpoena is only enforceable within Canada and yes, witnesses do get some compensation if they have to travel in but it is limited.

 

[RandomName479]

RandomName479 , no I don't think it was DM that had anything against her, he seemed fine with stringing all these women along. IT was CN that had a problem with Laura, and you are right antagonized her and IMO that CN pushed DM to get rid of Laura. Why is that until CN got involved with DM no one was murdered? It was only when she got involved and it is clear she had extreme animosity to Laura that murder started happening. It has been my opinion all along that CN is the cause of this murder it is MO.

We are going to have to agree to disagree......"DM didn't have anything against her"? Are you suggesting he didn't kill her and CN did? What you are saying seems to be giving DM a pass and that it was CN who steered him down the wrong path? IMO DM is a psycopath who was well versed in illegal activity before CN came on the scene.....not saying she isn't a lying, manipulative and narcissistic too.....

 

[SnooperDuper]

I wonder how much reasonable doubt would be cast if MS took the stand and said CN was the real killer.

With that picture of him standing beside a tarped body? Not much.

 

[musicaljoke]

I wonder how much reasonable doubt would be cast if MS took the stand and said CN was the real killer. Setting aside the fact that we have none of the forensics yet of course. Just purely speculating with this other theory. But in my mind its not entirely far fetched.

MOO.

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Except that there were two witnesses who heard MS say that he did it for real, and the court heard his rap where he shares the details. So far, I haven't seen any evidence to confirm that CN was the real killer, although I don't doubt that she was involved, and perhaps the instigator.

 

[Claroon]

inbetweendoors, that is my question too. Why was she the one chosen to murder? DM treated all the women like prostitutes, buying them gifts, drugs to have sex with them. They all seemed in same category. But yet in text he says he will get rid of Laura. Now hearing even more that CN was just as much viewed by DM as a prostitute as CN , this is a person who has dreams to be a dr.? nice. I don't get why Laura was singled out to murder. Maybe just because CN hated her.

He confirmed with his questioning of K that LB was annoying, manipulative, pushed people's buttons and mentally unstable. Perhaps justifying murder in his sick mindl

 

[Kamille]

I don't think that it is not proven it was a love triangle. It was in CN s mind. She is now even proving to look like the evi l witch that believed she was. She IMO , pushed DM to get rid of CN. I have said that people did not start dying until CN got involved with DM. She may be the person behind it is it that much of coincidence that people started dying when she hooked up with DM. ?

I'm assuming you mean LB here and while no one can "push" another to do anything against their will, I have also maintained that without CN's obvious distress about LB continuing to pursue DM, this plan to "make her leave their lives" may never have been hatched. And no matter what DM says, IMO she was not aware of any of the other women other than perhaps the Mexican stripper. Something tells me she'd be okay with that.

I also agree that out of all the ladies, it was likely CN's willingness to "look the other way" with regards to DM's criminal activities that emboldened him to make her his numero uno lady and ramp things up. With her approval and MS's willingness to be his sidekick, he figured it was all good.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I believe a subpoena is only enforceable within Canada and yes, witnesses do get some compensation if they have to travel in but it is limited.

I believe you are correct. Subpoenas issued in this case are only enforceable in Canada and people who volunteer to return to give testimony, usually do so out of a sense of duty. And I believe the Crown does compensate them for their expenses by arranging for their travel and accommodation if necessary.

I wouldn't doubt that the Crown has CN under subpoena but probably has no intention to call her as a witness based on her performance at the TB trial. Keeping her out of the courtroom is probably a good idea though. I think DM kind of let that cat out of the bag this morning when he said he didn't know if they would call her. So I assume he does know that she's under subpoena but has not seen her name on any witness lists yet?

MOO