Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.01.17 - Day 8

[swedie]

Here's a different perspective and of course MOO.
Maybe it was CN who was threatening to spills the beans on DM's illegal activities - perhaps only threats but none the less. CN was pressuring M to remove LB from their lives or she (CN) would talk.

IMO I can't see this being the case. CN was too infatuated with DM and his money and wanted to keep him around. Blackmailing him would have been playing with fire and only would have turned him against her. I can't see anyone getting away with blackmailing DM. And if she found out what happened to LB after the fact, which I suspect she did because LB was reported missing soon after, she would have or should have been running for Poland in fear she might just be the next in line for the incinerator. I still suspect she had a good chance of ending up there eventually though. DM would have eventually labelled her the woman who knew too much. She should really be thanking her lucky stars.

I also have to wonder about LW. Sounds like he kept their relationship very hush hush and he was using her for his own selfish pleasures and real estate dealings. I bet no one else other than DM (perhaps MS) knew they were connected having a sexual relationship). Was DM on a role? With three murders under his belt might he have been working on victims number four and five, CN and LW? Who would ever suspect DM being involved with LW if she was reported missing? LE obviously didn't follow the lead on LB's disappearance until TB's went missing so perhaps DM was feeling pretty confident, prepping his next victim(s) who LE would have a hard time tracking back to him. Dispose of her cell phone and it would have been very easy to cover his tracks.

A couple lucky lady I think they are. ALL MOO.

 

[james9]

After a street gun is used in a crime, putting it back into circulation in criminal hands, is not that uncommon. This is why DM asked if it was clean or dirty, the two common classifications of street weapons.
Recirculating makes the detectives job harder - after several hands, they can't as easily pin the use on any one person, especially if the criminals adhere to the "no rat" standard. Whereas if it is hidden, eg thrown in a lake, (or buried in an enchanted forest), it is more likely to be found, and once found, there is a stronger probability of the police following the chain of custody back to the last user. MOO

Agreed. He isn't so much "renting" the gun, but he's paying for a service from Ward-Jackson to take a dirty gun back and make it clean and untraceable (by changing serial numbers or whatever else he needs to do to it). By giving it back, he might also get credit or a refund towards his next gun, instead of having to pay every time he needs a new gun.

 

[jash]

I read ABro's book and don't recall about the g/f etc. Do you have another source?

What is your source for the g/f in NYC? This is the first i have read about it! Please clarify.

I just verified it's at the beginning of chapter 9 of ABro's book. She calls her "Rebecca" (not her real name though).

 

[james9]

After murdering LB why wouldn't DM use LB's phone to call several people from her contacts list? Just to muddy the waters for detectives on the trial? Didn't he think it would look bad he was the last one she contacted? Call some ppl just to leave a decoy trial and then discard the phone. So why? Does it once again come back to simply stupid? Luckily for him the word stupid also applied to the police.

He thought he was invincible, untouchable. This is the same guy that brought Bosma's truck to his workplace. He was so confident he would get away with it because there was no body evidence.

Also the same guy who has a tattoo that says "I am heaven sent"

 

[jash]

Wow, thanks. And do you know how DM & MS met?

If memory serves, I think DM texted MS to buy weed, and the rest is history.

Not sure how DM got MS's number but it's not uncommon to hook up with new dealers you don't personally know (friend/acquaintance/current dealer referral).

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You're right.

My notes (which I believe came from MS' testimony) say someone gave MS’ number to DM to buy drugs. DM was not a regular customer. They lost contact until couple years later when they started hanging out.

 

[james9]

I read ABro's book and don't recall about the g/f etc. Do you have another source?

I can't find another source, but you can see it here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=O-...lard girlfriend suicide new york city&f=false

 

[gremlingrrl]

Something must have happened between CN and LB in April for DM to send that 'removing her from our lives' text message. I can't imagine he just fired that out of the blue unless CN just wouldn't let it go for months.

IIRC, April 2012 was when CN met up with DM in Vegas. Given that they didn't live together (and that he was spending a lot of time "elsewhere"), the Vegas trip would have been a LOT of one-on-one time, and plenty of opportunity to be present and together for any contentious text messages received (by either party). It's also a lot of time available to argue, and for frustrations to build.

 

[gremlingrrl]

Why did the Crown release the statement of facts about her mental health at this point of the trial? It seems like it was done because someone didn't show up on time for the witness stand.

Entering an agreed statement of facts (where and when it can be done) is more typically more efficient than bringing several witnesses to testify, and then endure cross-exam. I'll speculate that because LB had seen so many different doctors, nurses and other specialists at multiple institutions, it would have been incredibly time-consuming to question them all. The health records are dated, professional documentation, so also more reliable than info from memory, from several years ago, from a patient the professional may not even be able to accurately remember. Perhaps her primary care physician could have relayed the information, but again, there is a time and efficiency consideration.

IMO the statement of facts limits the information to be released, and prevents the defence making suggestions or making comments that would be shut down, but still heard by the jury.

 

[deugirtni]

I can't find another source, but you can see it here: https://books.google.ca/books?id=O-...lard girlfriend suicide new york city&f=false

I was just going to post that, in it, it says (among other things, so go have a read!) (this is a quote from ABro's book, as seen at the above link):
"Curiously, though, just three months after the Brantford accident, Dellen was tied to another falling death. His girlfriend at the time leapt off a balcony in New York City in what was deemed by police to be a suicide. According to the official report made available by the New York Police Department, twenty-year-old Rebecca (not her real name) jumped after talking to her boyfriend on the phone. That boyfriend was Dellen Millard. Over the years ,he told a number of friends and acquaintances that he had been having sex with Josie, the woman who appeared in the Millardair *advertiser censored* shoot, while talking to Rebecca."

 

[Velma]

Speaking of games, I still find it interesting that DM last logged into Steam to play games on May 6, 2013

Are we sure it was to play games, not just to use the chat feature?

 

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by Yendys
Here's a different perspective and of course MOO.
Maybe it was CN who was threatening to spills the beans on DM's illegal activities - perhaps only threats but none the less. CN was pressuring M to remove LB from their lives or she (CN) would talk.

She did keep his letters, and the mention of blackmail came up, so IMO you may be correct.

Imho, if that were the case, it would've instead (or additionally) been CN's skin and bones lying on the ashy stone. DM wouldn't have been able to trust her (which he obviously did right up until well after he was in jail awaiting trial) with any info, etc.

 

[Tealgrove]

I would be guessing to say the writer confused the word hangar for incinerator. Kind of an indication when they mentioned rural property also. JMO.

Or maybe not.

Going back to the Tim Bosma trial I recall a point where a building permit for a structure on DM's farm property came into play and was objected to immediately. DM's mother was on the paperwork.

That topic sent the Jury out of the courtroom and never another word was spoken about it.

I've often wondered if it had something to do with this trial.

Does anyone recall when that Building Permit Request happened? I'm wondering where that may fit into the timeline.

Maybe DM wanted to build a small hangar on the property or so he said that's what it was for. It could have been a structure to house the Eliminator. When he wasn't allowed to build it, he had to go to plan B which was putting the Eliminator on a trailer and ferrying it back and forth to the hangar in Waterloo. Maybe he had some type of temp structure that they are calling a hangar. Just guessing at this point.

It would be somewhat dangerous using the Eliminator in the barn I would think.

MOO and just thinking out loud.

 

[Inspector_North]

Has anyone seen the photo of Smich, the Eliminator, and the object wrapped in a tarp? I assume you had to be at the trial. The reason I ask is that I'm having difficulty with dates.

Media reports DM's phone had this photo which was taken on July 4th.

When did the eliminator arrive at the hanger?
Was the eliminator on the trailer? That took several weeks to complete.
Why was the body in the hanger on the 4th if they didn't incinerate until around July 23rd?
Did they attempt to use it right away, and changed their minds?

Any help sorting the timeline out would be appreciated.

 

[Velma]

I had intended to help with the tweets today, but am having major internet issues (I think the router is toast) so it won’t be happening. I’m sorry, and thank you to those who can post today! I’m going to follow along periodically using the data on my phone, but I don’t have much.

 

[loveisthemovement]

Has anyone seen the photo of Smich, the Eliminator, and the object wrapped in a tarp? I assume you had to be at the trial. The reason I ask is that I'm having difficulty with dates.

Media reports DM's phone had this photo which was taken on July 4th.

When did the eliminator arrive at the hanger?
Was the eliminator on the trailer? That took several weeks to complete.
Why was the body in the hanger on the 4th if they didn't incinerate until around July 23rd?
Did they attempt to use it right away, and changed their minds?

Any help sorting the timeline out would be appreciated.

From tweets, it would seem it's suspected that DM was keeping lovely Laura's body in the barn while waiting for the incinerator to be ready. I can't recall of the tarp picture is at the hangar or the barn..... Not sure this helps clear anything up!

 

[Inspector_North]

From tweets, it would seem it's suspected that DM was keeping lovely Laura's body in the barn while waiting for the incinerator to be ready. I can't recall of the tarp picture is at the hangar or the barn..... Not sure this helps clear anything up!

Thanks. If at the barn on the 4th, that still does not sort out why the Eliminator was at the barn before made portable. Or when the Eliminator was actually delivered in relation to the claimed date of the photo. If I'm not mistaken, the Eliminator was delivered to the hanger, and it was SS's job to prepare it for DM.

 

[mimimic]

One of the early conversations from DM that strikes me as odd is when he texted SL back saying "he had heard LB was missing"...was this because it was posted on FB already? If not just curious of his source.

 

[andreww]

Or maybe not.

Going back to the Tim Bosma trial I recall a point where a building permit for a structure on DM's farm property came into play and was objected to immediately. DM's mother was on the paperwork.

That topic sent the Jury out of the courtroom and never another word was spoken about it.

I've often wondered if it had something to do with this trial.

Does anyone recall when that Building Permit Request happened? I'm wondering where that may fit into the timeline.

Maybe DM wanted to build a small hangar on the property or so he said that's what it was for. It could have been a structure to house the Eliminator. When he wasn't allowed to build it, he had to go to plan B which was putting the Eliminator on a trailer and ferrying it back and forth to the hangar in Waterloo. Maybe he had some type of temp structure that they are calling a hangar. Just guessing at this point.

It would be somewhat dangerous using the Eliminator in the barn I would think.

MOO and just thinking out loud.

No problem keeping it in the barn, it had to be moved outside to use wherever it was. Millard wasn't trucking the eliminator back and forth between the hanger and farm either. Yes he did move it for Bosma's murder, but that was only because Bosma unexpectedly bled out all over it. If the truck didn't need to be stripped, I'm sure the incineration would have happened at the farm.

 

[andreww]

One of the early conversations from DM that strikes me as odd is when SL texted him back saying he had heard LB was missing...was this because it was posted on FB already? If not just curious of his source.

SL was actively looking. But Millards circle of friends included friends of LBs, so it wouldn't be odd that he knew she was missing.

 

[paris_paris]

Thanks. If at the barn on the 4th, that still does not sort out why the Eliminator was at the barn before made portable. Or when the Eliminator was actually delivered in relation to the claimed date of the photo. If I'm not mistaken, the Eliminator was delivered to the hanger, and it was SS's job to prepare it for DM.

From the first page of Trial Day 1 thread... it's 2 different photos.

Crown puts up large photo taken by Dellen Millard's cellphone. Shows an item wrapped in a blue tarp. A dog sits next to it.

Crown now shows a photo of a commercial piece of equipment, an incinerator. It's called The Eliminator.

Just want to also add from that page... the crown also said "July 2nd Millard exchanged text messages “suggests he was purchasing a gun."