Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.09.17 - Day 13

[Prairie_dawg]

We never did hear if police got a warrant to pull gamer chat logs from either Steam or MS network but it would not surprise me if these guys did not also discuss things in game between themselves. Or did I miss something in TB's trial? I do not think we heard any Steam chat so far in this trial.

 

[deugirtni]

Good day for AC to be doing the tweeting!

 

[deugirtni]

I'm wishing I paid closer attention to the pics of CN now

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There's no way CN would've adorned something that had belonged to LB. (And I'm sure she would've known, considering the hamsa necklace is pretty identifiable and not worn by everyone) jmo

 

[Tealgrove]

Good day for AC to be doing the tweeting!

I'm wondering if they sent him on purpose because this is the important stuff. Maybe the CBC was hearing our dismay? Nice to think but probably not.

 

[DeaconBrodie]

Well, I see guilty and guilty.

I think clarification is required regarding where MS was the night of the 3rd. Was he, or was he NOT at Maplegate?

So far I see MS involved in planning, helping DM get the gun and definitely disposal. If he was truly at Maplegate that night, and it appears the Crown is saying that, then he is in it up to his eyeballs.

DM is all over this thing.

His cross of Falconer should be interesting.

MOO

"Now conversation between Smich and Millard early on July 4, just before 1 am. Smich is asking "Where u at?" Millard says he's going to sleep, will talk in the morning."

"It says the iPad was first connected to the computer on July 4, 2012, at 10:43 a.m. It comes after a text Millard sent to Smich saying "I rolled my first spliff."

The 1 am text would seem to indicate that MS wasn't at Maplegate at 1 a.m.
If 'I rolled my first splff" is code for "I just killed my first person", then that would indicate that MS wasn't directly involved in the killing, or why would DM have to tell him?

If MS wasn't directly involved in the actual killing, this would mean that the Crown is going after MS as being a party to the offence. They will need to prove that MS knew about the plan to murder LB and actively assisted with carrying it out. The cremation is separate because MS could have assisted with that but not assisted with the murder.

It will be interesting to see what further evidence is presented on MS's assistance.

 

[deugirtni]

.32, and depending on model it could be what is known as a pocket pistol.

PS. The direct indictment approval is becoming clearer with every text message. moo

The circumstantial evidence in this case seems rather slam dunk to me, at least for DM getting M1

 

[EspressoBean]

"Now conversation between Smich and Millard early on July 4, just before 1 am. Smich is asking "Where u at?" Millard says he's going to sleep, will talk in the morning."

"It says the iPad was first connected to the computer on July 4, 2012, at 10:43 a.m. It comes after a text Millard sent to Smich saying "I rolled my first spliff."

The 1 am text would seem to indicate that MS wasn't at Maplegate at 1 a.m.
If 'I rolled my first splff" is code for "I just killed my first person", then that would indicate that MS wasn't directly involved in the killing, or why would DM have to tell him?

If MS wasn't directly involved in the actual killing, this would mean that the Crown is going after MS as being a party to the offence. They will need to prove that MS knew about the plan to murder LB and actively assisted with carrying it out. The cremation is separate because MS could have assisted with that but not assisted with the murder.

It will be interesting to see what further evidence is presented on MS's assistance.

I don't know if it confirms that MS and DM were not at the same location. MS had previously lived in the basement. I read that text as it maybe meaning MS heard DM come in and waited for him to come to the basement. DM didn't come downstairs so he texted, "Where u at?" and DM just wanted to crash. JMO as a possibility. I've texted people in the same house many times and this was a sizeable house!

 

[matou]

So why did they need more fuel in late August?

 

[RandomName479]

"Now conversation between Smich and Millard early on July 4, just before 1 am. Smich is asking "Where u at?" Millard says he's going to sleep, will talk in the morning."

"It says the iPad was first connected to the computer on July 4, 2012, at 10:43 a.m. It comes after a text Millard sent to Smich saying "I rolled my first spliff."

The 1 am text would seem to indicate that MS wasn't at Maplegate at 1 a.m.
If 'I rolled my first splff" is code for "I just killed my first person", then that would indicate that MS wasn't directly involved in the killing, or why would DM have to tell him?

If MS wasn't directly involved in the actual killing, this would mean that the Crown is going after MS as being a party to the offence. They will need to prove that MS knew about the plan to murder LB and actively assisted with carrying it out. The cremation is separate because MS could have assisted with that but not assisted with the murder.

It will be interesting to see what further evidence is presented on MS's assistance.

Will be interesting to hear Dungey's cross of this witness bc I got the same impression as you did......that this evidence shows MS wasn't present when LB was actually killed (he's guilty....he had prior knowledge, helped procure the gun, was obviously present for the incineration, etc). I haven't seen the same moments of exceptional lawyering with Dungey that we did in the first trial....not that he has had much to work with.....MOO

 

[Busymom4]

Did we ever find a complete witness list for this trial?

 

[Night_is_Mine]

To me it sounded like MS was in the basement and DM was doing something around the house or went or w.e. I thought MS wasn't there up until DM said something about leaving him some cash on the coffee table or something

 

[Tilly23]

This is really a difficult day of testimony.

A few thoughts:

Is it possible that MS was staying at Maple Gate on July 3 and 4? Maybe he was staying in the basement with MM? If so, it might explain why he and DM were texting back and forth that night.

My guess is that KS was the one texting with Meagan Orr about what Orr remembered about texts between LB and DM. I am guessing that Orr likely posted something on the facebook page that inspired CN and KS to want to know more details. KS was just trying to get the dirt for her bestie CN, doncha know.

I wonder if it made CN feel better about things to hear DM say LB must have lied about all that. Did it feel better to think she had taken revenge on her rival (by inspiring her boyfriend to murder) if she now believed LB hadn't actually invaded her turf, but was simply 'making up stories'? Did she still think LB deserved what she got, or what?

I am concerned about that second deer.

MOO

 

[deugirtni]

"Now conversation between Smich and Millard early on July 4, just before 1 am. Smich is asking "Where u at?" Millard says he's going to sleep, will talk in the morning."

"It says the iPad was first connected to the computer on July 4, 2012, at 10:43 a.m. It comes after a text Millard sent to Smich saying "I rolled my first spliff."

The 1 am text would seem to indicate that MS wasn't at Maplegate at 1 a.m.
If 'I rolled my first splff" is code for "I just killed my first person", then that would indicate that MS wasn't directly involved in the killing, or why would DM have to tell him?

If MS wasn't directly involved in the actual killing, this would mean that the Crown is going after MS as being a party to the offence. They will need to prove that MS knew about the plan to murder LB and actively assisted with carrying it out. The cremation is separate because MS could have assisted with that but not assisted with the murder.

It will be interesting to see what further evidence is presented on MS's assistance.

I thought he was talking about a body (rolled in a tarp).. but spliff means a joint rolled with weed and tobacco.. but given their many 'code words', I sure wouldn't be surprised if he WASN'T referring to a joint..

"A spliff means different things in different regions. If you’re in Jamaica, a spliff is the same as a pure cannabis cigarette. But, in the United States and Europe, a spliff is a combination of marijuana and tobacco.
One of the nice things about spliffs is that they cut down the smell of marijuana. The tobacco scent adds a layer of smell, slightly masking the smell of weed.


The high from a spliff is also much more mild. It does depend on how much weed vs tobacco you mix but since there is less cannabis you’ll simply get less high."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...blunt-a-joint-and_us_587d3cc0e4b0b2a4c83ddef8

 

[Inspector_North]

Did we ever find a complete witness list for this trial?

Would be helpful, but remember that not all are called. If I am not mistaken, Rabbit was subpoenaed but not called. It did keep her out of the court room.

 

[Inspector_North]

I thought he was talking about a body (rolled in a tarp).. but spliff means a joint rolled with weed and tobacco.. but given their many 'code words', I sure wouldn't be surprised if he WASN'T referring to a joint..

"A spliff means different things in different regions. If you’re in Jamaica, a spliff is the same as a pure cannabis cigarette. But, in the United States and Europe, a spliff is a combination of marijuana and tobacco.
One of the nice things about spliffs is that they cut down the smell of marijuana. The tobacco scent adds a layer of smell, slightly masking the smell of weed.


The high from a spliff is also much more mild. It does depend on how much weed vs tobacco you mix but since there is less cannabis you’ll simply get less high."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...blunt-a-joint-and_us_587d3cc0e4b0b2a4c83ddef8

It could be his first joint. I remember him telling CN to roll one just before he picked her up to bring the truck to Rabbit's.

 

[deugirtni]

Will be interesting to hear Dungey's cross of this witness bc I got the same impression as you did......that this evidence shows MS wasn't present when LB was actually killed (he's guilty....he had prior knowledge, helped procure the gun, was obviously present for the incineration, etc). I haven't seen the same moments of exceptional lawyering with Dungey that we did in the first trial....not that he has had much to work with.....MOO

Dungey really hasn't had to put up much of a defence for what has been presented in court thus far.. what's that saying.. something like 'thou dost protest too much'... it seems to be pretty much all about DM so far, other than a definite 'accessory'. There must be more to come though, to have warranted the M1 charge?

 

[DeaconBrodie]

Pings off their cell phones that night should help to answer the question.

It's important because the Crown's job is a lot harder if they have to prove that he was a party to the offence rather than proving that he was three at the time.

 

[puppyraiser]

So why did they need more fuel in late August?

Any missing person reports from around that time frame? Wasn't there a road trip to London, or was that in June?

 

[deugirtni]

It could be his first joint. I remember him telling CN to roll one just before he picked her up to bring the truck to Rabbit's.

Could be, but I doubt it? When was the photo of the long thing wrapped in the tarp taken, do we know? (IIRC, it also showed his little dog in the photo?)

 

[andreww]

Excellent point!

Now to follow the texts to see who else used the past tense for LB while she was known only to be missing at that time.

CN says "I don't believe anything she said" in response to that text