Laura Babcock Murder Trial 11.23.17 - Day 21

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Don't shoot me......I see M1 for DM.....especially after today.....but I'm not sure about MS (and I KNOW I was on the fence for M1 with MS during the TB trial....and I was wrong, wrong, wrong). I believe MS knew about the murder after the fact and absolutely helped dispose of her body.....but I'm not seeing M1 here.....even after the Crown has finished. Anyone else have thoughts?

**ducking to avoid getting things thrown at me**

I'm with you on this.
 
Is he also representing himself in the WM trial?

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He might decide to spring for an assistant attorney on that one but I think he'll want to be involved in all aspects by putting himself down as lead attorney. He gets more perks in jail that way. He is a convicted murderer who is still not in the prison system because of all these cases and likely because he has been acting as his own legal counsel. I believe he even told CN in one of the letters that he and his attorney had figured out a way to keep him at Barton St for the last trial, where he felt comfortable, by filing motions every few weeks that he had to appear in court for.

MOO
 
Don't shoot me......I see M1 for DM.....especially after today.....but I'm not sure about MS (and I KNOW I was on the fence for M1 with MS during the TB trial....and I was wrong, wrong, wrong). I believe MS knew about the murder after the fact and absolutely helped dispose of her body.....but I'm not seeing M1 here.....even after the Crown has finished. Anyone else have thoughts?

**ducking to avoid getting things thrown at me**
I'm with you.

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Don't shoot me......I see M1 for DM.....especially after today.....but I'm not sure about MS (and I KNOW I was on the fence for M1 with MS during the TB trial....and I was wrong, wrong, wrong). I believe MS knew about the murder after the fact and absolutely helped dispose of her body.....but I'm not seeing M1 here.....even after the Crown has finished. Anyone else have thoughts?

**ducking to avoid getting things thrown at me**

Don't duck, I agree :)
 
:notgood::nevermind::sweep::denied:
DM is going to have to take the stand on Monday and explain how LB overdosed at his house and then they panicked and got the Eliminator to dispose of her body and the illegal gun acquisition just before her death was an unfortunate coincidence.
 
Just a hypothetical, and of course I don't believe DM's story, but if she really did OD, and they covered that up, is that still M1?

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They didn't call 911. Reasonable people would.

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They didn't call 911. Reasonable people would.

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Right. But M1?

(and again I don't believe DM's story/brainstorming/whatever, just purely curious)

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I don't don't think there is enough evidence at this point for first degree murder for MS. I do wonder, though, if the crown left enough room for DM to try and throw MS under the bus which in turn might also lead to further evidence supporting their case against both.
 
My guess is that the letters were not going to be used until Millard made it known that CN would testify in his defence? So maybe the judge changed his mind and allowed portions to be admissible?

Nah, I disagree. These letters were always the most incriminating pieces of evidence, and the crown was sitting on it for the closing of their case. It's my understanding that the defence do not provide disclosure, or even who they are calling as witnesses to the crown or the judge.
 
Lisa Hepfner‏ @HefCHCHNews
3m3 minutes ago
"I told you Mark said she overdosed.. I told you I agreed to stay quiet as long as he stopped using and selling coke. You asked Mark if he was still selling coke, and he told you Dell made him promise... because of that Laura bi%$h, don't you know?"



Another letter - Cameron is reading this out loud, I do not have a copy in front of me. Much of the letters on the screen are blacked out.

It is a very real possibility you will be called as a witness. whatever you may believe you need to put aside.

this is what happened:

the night Laura disappeared, i came over to your place very early in the morning...i tapped on your window. i told you Laura was over doing coke with mark in the basement. we went to say goodnight to them. you saw her alive with mark, with coke. maybe they were going to leave to get more.

you and i don't like coke. we vaporized, we ****ed, i drove you home. we did not go to see if they were still home.

later when she's reported missing, i told you that mark told me that she OD'd... it wasn't clear this happened at maple gate... mark wouldn't call police because he'd be charged with trafficking.

...much later you asked Mark if he's still selling coke, Dell made him promise not to.
Mark told you "Cuz of that Laura *****, dont you know? even though you knew she OD'd with Mark...(it goes on at length here)

It ends with:

re read this a couple of times, and destroy immediately.
by Shannon Martin 12:51 PM

1st bold... really? They drove back there to say goodnight?

2nd bold... I can't wait to read the rest of it.

I didn't realize until just now how close DM lived to CN.
 
Hi Velma, I'm sorry I've been unable to help out with the tweets but I had a sudden death in the family and have been unavailable during the day. Thanks to you and everyone who has pitched in as I've been staying caught up but I've not had much time to comment.

I'm here today until at least the lunch break if you want me to take over.

Dear Kamille,

I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Thinking of you. :grouphug:
 
Don't shoot me......I see M1 for DM.....especially after today.....but I'm not sure about MS (and I KNOW I was on the fence for M1 with MS during the TB trial....and I was wrong, wrong, wrong). I believe MS knew about the murder after the fact and absolutely helped dispose of her body.....but I'm not seeing M1 here.....even after the Crown has finished. Anyone else have thoughts?

**ducking to avoid getting things thrown at me**

I believe MS is guilty which is saying something since I was a stubborn holdout in the TB trial and took quite a bit of heat for it then. I didn't change my mind until after MS testified back then.

When I think of MS's testimony in the TB trial, how he said he was shocked to see DM suddenly shoot TB, it now makes even less sense. MS asserted that he (MS) only helped to dispose of TB's body, but after this trial I feel even more certain now that MS knew about what was planned for both LB and for TB.

Truthfully, after LB suddenly went missing - and there is loads of evidence I think to show that MS assisted with disposing of her just as he did with TB - can anyone believe that he wasn't aware of the plan for TB? Why would he have been shocked about what he says DM did to TB if he knew that DM already killed and had incinerated DM's own friend/ex gf LB almost a year earlier?

I think DM and MS both had big horrible plans to build a crime empire that would have included, thefts, murder and incineration of bodies and anything they deemed incriminating. They each had a role to play - one the planner and the other the follower, IMO but it makes them both equally disturbing and far beyond heartless buggers!

I have no stones to throw at anyone who doesn't agree with me. We all come to our own conclusions in our own way and time and rightly so.

All MOO
 
I came back to help with posting tweets, and have come to see that I missed the big BAM moment! I'm glad they ended with the letters for the weekend. That's a lot for the jury to digest. Rot in jail, DM :wave:
 
Any legal beagles here?

If MS is at Maple Gate the night of Laura's murder and sees the murder happen does that make MS guilty of murder? I think yes. I also think when you start putting all the circumstantial pieces together, ie., putting Millard with Isho, the rap, the confession to the guys in the garage, the phone pings, Millard putting an alibi together although false, lies always have some truth to them, then I see MS guilty of murder.

In the TB trial it didn't matter who shot TB. The fact remained that the two of them were there and in it together. That was proven. MS admitted he was there but he claimed he didn't know what happened because he was driving the Yukon that was following. No one believed him.

I believe MS was there that night. Why MM was never asked about that still mystifies me. Maybe she couldn't answer for real or just flat out lied. We'll never know.

I'm comfortable finding MS guilty of murder right along with DM. DM is a slam dunk IMO.

MOO
 
Re: "Code" page mentioned in today's evidence (DM letters to CN) -- I believe that's related to those little dots, in various formations, DM used at top of his letters to denote the calendar date.
 
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