Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[Oakley]

"I don`t want to be one of those thousands of parents that has to deal with the possibility ... of knowing that their child`s alive and that they`re with someone else. The thought of that every day makes me sick."

Casey Anthony, August 14, 2008

Could it be that Casey, growing up with the insanity in her home, felt it was more 'humane' for Caylee to be 'in heaven' than to be raised by Cindy (who was threatening her with taking custody?)

Maybe a stretch but even if true, there is absolutely NO DEFENSE for murdering your toddler as Caylee was.

ETA: To be clear, I am not saying this is a valid excuse by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Chiquita71]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xJi0Lu_fc

Respectfully Quoted The World According

Thank you for that video. After reading the letters from Cindy and George and now seeing this video again, wow!

The comments(on YouTube) for that video really say it all for me. They are very interesting(and some are cathartic)to read. :angel: One thing everyone seems to comment on, and what stuck me this time seeing the video is how Casey claims "Jose is keeping me updated on everything that's going on" and then says, "I'm out of the loop, I don't know anything that's going on." I agree with those that said, Casey was playing her parents, she was not upset. We know she was jawing with Robyn in her letters and dreaming of her new RV life. She was playing her parents, and thinking she was/is playing LE now.

Casey's total lack of worry or concern for Caylee is evident as is the amazingly dysfunctional relationship between Casey and her parents. She gets them with the "do you know how I feel" routine...as they back off from their questions regarding Caylee. Casey is responsible for Caylee's murder, imo but her parents enabled her right along the way...

And now we know the truth. There is one reason George and Cindy have not been to visit ICA, because she does not want to see them! I agree with the post that said they hope this stops George and Cindy from getting on television or in the media and saying otherwise. :banghead:

:twocents:

 

[Solace]

"I don`t want to be one of those thousands of parents that has to deal with the possibility ... of knowing that their child`s alive and that they`re with someone else. The thought of that every day makes me sick."

Casey Anthony, August 14, 2008

Could it be that Casey, growing up with the insanity in her home, felt it was more 'humane' for Caylee to be 'in heaven' than to be raised by Cindy (who was threatening her with taking custody?)

Maybe a stretch but even if true, there is absolutely NO DEFENSE for murdering your toddler as Caylee was.

No. But it is probable that Caylee was in the way. Tony was thinking of moving to NY when school was out; Tony told Casey he DID NOT WANT GIRLS - they make for an ugly child; Casey hates her mother; Casey did not want her mother to have her and more than likely THERE WAS A FIGHT the night before as the neighbor said he heard yelling all weekend long.

Tony's roommate tells detectives that he said to KC you can't be serious that you think Tony should stay here. You know he has to get a job, etc. He tells detectives that she was using the word "love" within three weeks of meeting Tony. She wanted out of her house and she wanted to move in with Tony and she did not want Caylee interfering - she knew he would never go for that.

When she wanted to move out of her home a few years earlier, she told Jesse Grund that Lee was sexually molesting her. Whatever she has to do to get what she wants at the time, she does and that includes to her own detriment. She does not think past the next ten minutes.

KC is a sociopath. She does not feel.

 

[RR0004]

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/...current=KCwrotethatattorneyspassedletters.jpg

INMATE Casey Anthony writes in letters to fellow inmate Robyn that her attorneys have passed letters and other contraband, including an American Greeting card and bracelet and a writing pen - a THIRD DEGREE FELONY

Conway admits to media that it was done
Lee Anthony admits it was done in texts to his parents
Cindy Anthony writes in a letter to INMATE Casey that it was done
Cindy Anthony did it herself at the courthouse and told Good Morning America about it
George Anthony told River that it was done
When will the guilty parties be held accountable for this FELONY?

...and what makes them so special that this hasn't already happened? Do they get one warning?

 

[Solace]

Respectfully Quoted The World According

Thank you for that video. After reading the letters from Cindy and George and now seeing this video again, wow!

The comments(on YouTube) for that video really say it all for me. They are very interesting(and some are cathartic)to read. :angel: One thing everyone seems to comment on, and what stuck me this time seeing the video is how Casey claims "Jose is keeping me updated on everything that's going on" and then says, "I'm out of the loop, I don't know anything that's going on." I agree with those that said, Casey was playing her parents, she was not upset. We know she was jawing with Robyn in her letters and dreaming of her new RV life. She was playing her parents, and thinking she was/is playing LE now.

Casey's total lack of worry or concern for Caylee is evident as is the amazingly dysfunctional relationship between Casey and her parents. She gets them with the "do you know how I feel" routine...as they back off from their questions regarding Caylee. Casey is responsible for Caylee's murder, imo but her parents enabled her right along the way...

And now we know the truth. There is one reason George and Cindy have not been to visit ICA, because she does not want to see them! I agree with the post that said they hope this stops George and Cindy from getting on television or in the media and saying otherwise. :banghead:

:twocents:

Chiquita,

Her lawyers are telling her not to see them. She would see them if she thought it would benefit her. But she knows it will be blasted all over the tv.

They back off from questioning her because the family got together and said we won't get anywhere yelling at her - that is Lee's reasoning - so whatever we get, we can work with, lets just keep her talking. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Oakley]

No. But it is probable that Caylee was in the way. Tony was thinking of moving to NY when school was out; Tony told Casey he DID NOT WANT GIRLS - they make for an ugly child; Casey hates her mother; Casey did not want her mother to have her and more than likely THERE WAS A FIGHT the night before as the neighbor said he heard yelling all weekend long.

Tony's roommate tells detectives that he said to KC you can't be serious that you think Tony should stay here. You know he has to get a job, etc. He tells detectives that she was using the word "love" within three weeks of meeting Tony. She wanted out of her house and she wanted to move in with Tony and she did not want Caylee interfering - she knew he would never go for that.

When she wanted to move out of her home a few years earlier, she told Jesse Grund that Lee was sexually molesting her. Whatever she has to do to get what she wants at the time, she does and that includes to her own detriment. She does not think past the next ten minutes.

KC is a sociopath. She does not feel.

I don't dispute any of what you have said. I still contend that perhaps in Casey's mind Caylee would be in a 'better place' if she took the matter in her own hands rather than Cindy taking custody of her. I'm not understanding your 'no.' What part of that do you disagree with and why? Not challenging you, just trying to understand your response. TIA.

ETA: I'm not saying it is a valid belief on Casey's part, even if true. Again, there is NO DEFENSE for savagely murdering a helpless toddler.

 

[ynotdivein]

I sincerely believe KC plans to use her Papa Joe as a scapegoat. I also believe she is capable of taking her own twisted motivations for killing her child and putting that on GA by saying she was protecting Caylee from her "papa" molesting Cayle. It has been done before and I think this is the card KC will use when she is truly backed up against the wall with all the evidence, so she can only hope for a lighter sentence (or none at all) by saying she had to protect Kaylee from the "monster' papa.
In the beginning KC wanted ONLY to see her dad. Now she avoids him in the most obvious and public way possible. She is making some kind of plan and it won't be good for her dad. I never make predictions, but I feel certain this will come into the court proceedings in a big way. What a 'family'!
All MHO of course

Mensch, I'll go you one further and say that they are probably planning to pin the murder on George. KC is just protecting him because of the abuse and she couldn't tell CA because CA is unhinged and she doesn't trust Lee because of the abuse and...

Ugh, hard to even type that let alone try to believe it. The irony of GA wanting her to have her DL, when the only thing she's going to be driving anytime soon is a big ole' one of these, right over her family:

 

[gamom]

BBM.

Perhaps that's what they want the public to think. If Cindy is seriously delusional and has mental issues perhaps her testimony can't be relied upon. Including her remark about the car smell. :waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

I put nothing past this defense. They don't want Cindy's testimony in at all. And I can understand why. But Cindy will never truthfully testify about what could really sink her daughter- what really went down in that argument on the 15th. She'll never admit that argument on the stand. Because ultimately as we have all surmised that argument was the catalyst for Casey killing Caylee. It may not have been the ultimate reason but I firmly believe it was the catalyst for the murder. Because Caylee's murder shows rage. You would have to be in a rage to put not one but THREE strips of tape across your little 2 year old daughters face.

For me, I don't think the "CA is delusional" theory will fly. While I do think she is delusional now. I think most can understand that she just does not want to believe her grand daughter is dead by the hands of her own daughter. I think sanity was what led her to find KC and call the police. She would not have been able to hold a job as a nurse for as long as she has if her sanity was questioned. I feel that CA wants the world to think her family is "perfect" and she has covered up their issues on a regular basis to keep that image. Unfortunately, this is one think even CA can't fix.

 

[Solace]

I don't dispute any of what you have said. I still contend that perhaps in Casey's mind Caylee would be in a 'better place' if she took the matter in her own hands rather than Cindy taking custody of her. I'm not understanding your 'no.' What part of that do you disagree with and why? Not challenging you, just trying to understand your response. TIA.

ETA: I'm not saying it is a valid belief on Casey's part, even if true. Again, there is NO DEFENSE for savagely murdering a helpless toddler.

Sorry Oakley. Did not mean to be so demonstrative at all.

"Could it be that Casey, growing up with the insanity in her home, felt it was more 'humane' for Caylee to be 'in heaven' than to be raised by Cindy (who was threatening her with taking custody?) "

KC is a sociopath. She does not care about the humanity of her child at all. She has no humanity. She has no feelings. She cannot feel and that is why she is able to say goodbye to her father and leave and then kill her child - then come back to the house, steal money several times, etc. etc. And the more that Cindy and George defend her, the smarter she thinks she is. If anything, as she said to one of the girls in jail, "now she knows how it feels". She did not want Cindy to have this child. So I can be free and also spite the chit out of my mother. She says to Lee "maybe I am a spiteful *****". This is intentional hatred for the mother and Cindy knows it but cannot come to terms with it so she defends her daughter because Cindy cannot swallow that pill that this was done to get rid of the child and to spite her mother. Greek tragedy any way you look at it.

I read Richard Grund's interview and he says he doesn't think KC is smart enough to do this alone. My question is what has she done that is smart. NOTHING, zero, nada. If she were a psychopath, she would have planned this better. She would have drown her in the pool and said it was an accident, but she is a sociopath and to her own detriment, she does things that she WANTS at the moment.

Do not forget she steals Amy's money. She is on camera for the world to see and yet she still does it. Now if you have just killed your child, you do not put yourself all over the place by writing bad checks because as soon as that is found out, everyone will be thinking well maybe she killed her daughter. But she does not think that far ahead. She is incapable of doing that.

I hope you have a great evening and please excuse my first reply - did not mean to be rude.

 

[OneLostGrl]

...and what makes them so special that this hasn't already happened? Do they get one warning?

They will get away with it. They are professional victims, cons! They have perfected their craft- every "offical" (and so many "regular" people too) that looks at them sees "victim" not criminal. Casey learned from the best but because she didn't have to cover for herself ("momma-do" did that for her, cleaned up all her messes) she gets caught easily, she doesn't play victim very well. Cindy has been playing the victim role for many many years and not just for herself.. for for her daughter too. Any time Casey did something wrong she was someones victim according to her mother. Cindy plays her role well. I would be SHOCKED if cindy is ever charged with anything!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Mensch, I'll go you one further and say that they are probably planning to pin the murder on George. KC is just protecting him because of the abuse and she couldn't tell CA because CA is unhinged and she doesn't trust Lee because of the abuse and...

Ugh, hard to even type that let alone try to believe it. The irony of GA wanting her to have her DL, when the only thing she's going to be driving anytime soon is a big ole' one of these, right over her family:

I don't know how George can even think about her without wanting to vomit!

 

[RR0004]

For me, I don't think the "CA is delusional" theory will fly. While I do think she is delusional now. I think most can understand that she just does not want to believe her grand daughter is dead by the hands of her own daughter. I think sanity was what led her to find KC and call the police. She would not have been able to hold a job as a nurse for as long as she has if her sanity was questioned. I feel that CA wants the world to think her family is "perfect" and she has covered up their issues on a regular basis to keep that image. Unfortunately, this is one think even CA can't fix.

FWIW...Cindy was an office manager at the time...not a practicing nurse.
But, playing "pretend family" isn't a sign of good mental health either, IMO.
No, there is more here than meets the naked eye. It's always bothered me that there didn't seem to be a support system of friends when this all first happened. No one came forward to vouch for the family (so to speak). Cindy was hitting network news with a frenzy and it seemed almost pleasurable to her. It appeared as if from the getgo that it was about creating an alternate reality. Caylee wasn't missing...if she was why didn't she hire a team of reputable PIs...ones with a great investigative track record? Instead she puts finding her granddaughter in the hands of someone who seems to have spent most of his time sleuthing on the internet and following up on incredulous tips. And lying!! Cindy claimed from the onset that she didn't have any time to talk to Casey. Not true! She did have time to ask her for information about ZFG. Long enough to ask, "Why would the nanny take Caylee?" I can't help but think what little time they did have together was spent getting some sort of story together. I thought it then...and I think it now. I think all the jibber-jabbering Cindy has done...whether to LE or to the media...was/is a distraction. She knows the truth. George knows the truth. Really, what kind of ex-cop would he be if he didn't let his daughter know as she was leaving with LE..."say nothing!!" Her comment behind bars "Don't worry. I didn't say anything" kinda makes sense now in that context. The entire family didn't submit to lie detector tests for a very good reason. JMHO

ETA: To clarify...not in the office...a nurse case manager.

 

[RR0004]

They will get away with it. They are professional victims, cons! They have perfected their craft- every "offical" (and so many "regular" people too) that looks at them sees "victim" not criminal. Casey learned from the best but because she didn't have to cover for herself ("momma-do" did that for her, cleaned up all her messes) she gets caught easily, she doesn't play victim very well. Cindy has been playing the victim role for many many years and not just for herself.. for for her daughter too. Any time Casey did something wrong she was someones victim according to her mother. Cindy plays her role well. I would be SHOCKED if cindy is ever charged with anything!

Hi, OLG! I know that sociopaths will always blame someone else...as do those with BPD. I know that you and I would agree with a BPD diagnosis, but do you think Cindy could be sociopathic as well?

 

[LambChop]

They will get away with it. They are professional victims, cons! They have perfected their craft- every "offical" (and so many "regular" people too) that looks at them sees "victim" not criminal. Casey learned from the best but because she didn't have to cover for herself ("momma-do" did that for her, cleaned up all her messes) she gets caught easily, she doesn't play victim very well. Cindy has been playing the victim role for many many years and not just for herself.. for for her daughter too. Any time Casey did something wrong she was someones victim according to her mother. Cindy plays her role well. I would be SHOCKED if cindy is ever charged with anything!

Well, may be it's time.

 

[RR0004]

Funny, but I don't think LE thinks of them as victims anymore. I think they gave them plenty of latitude the first year. But, now I'd be surprised if they felt very much sympathy for them. Don't get me wrong, I know that they probably feel incredibly sorry for their loss, but after the past two years of their bs I think they have their number loud and clear. If they don't pursue charges I think it's more because once Casey is convicted they'll have to live with that AND all that they've done. That would seem to be punishment enough.
I truly hope they ask Caylee for forgiveness.

 

[LinasK]

FWIW...Cindy was an office manager at the time...not a practicing nurse.

No, that's where you're wrong, and I know what I'm talking about here. Cindy was NOT an office manager for Gentiva Home Health, she was a Nurse Case Manager, and they do go out to see patients. I used to work for them, and I've had Case Managers. It is not a "desk job" and you are issued a pager for when you are out of the office.

 

[JSR]

Hi, OLG! I know that sociopaths will always blame someone else...as do those with BPD. I know that you and I would agree with a BPD diagnosis, but do you think Cindy could be socipathic as well?

BBM.

I've often thought Cindy has some type of mental illness. I'm just not sure what it is. But like Casey it seems that Cindy's relationships are only superficial and that she doesn't have the ability to truly unconditionally love another. She might say she unconditionally loves Casey but as evidence of her letters to Casey her little jabs are anything but unconditional love.

 

[Gypsy Road]

No doubt in my mind that Cindy suffers some form of narcissistic personality disorder! That's my opinion anyway!

 

[OneLostGrl]

For me, I don't think the "CA is delusional" theory will fly. While I do think she is delusional now. I think most can understand that she just does not want to believe her grand daughter is dead by the hands of her own daughter. I think sanity was what led her to find KC and call the police. She would not have been able to hold a job as a nurse for as long as she has if her sanity was questioned. I feel that CA wants the world to think her family is "perfect" and she has covered up their issues on a regular basis to keep that image. Unfortunately, this is one think even CA can't fix.

Delusional thinking doesn't always = insanity in the way most think of delusional thinking (as in psychosis). The very definition of Personality disorders is "an enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that differs markedly from the expectations of the individual's culture, is pervasive and inflexible.. Personality disorders are a long-standing and maladaptive pattern of perceiving and responding to other people and to stressful circumstances" (from the DSM-IV-TR). While I don't think Cindy is delusional in a psychotic way she is quite delusional becausel she refuses reality even in the face of proof and evidence.. she knows the truth but she has chosen to believe in the delusion instead IMO. Humans can adapt to anything and she has been living a lie, covering for those she feels define her for so long that she has come to believe in it. Everything about Cindy Anthony is maladaptive.. to her and to those that she surrounds herself with.

 

[RR0004]

No, that's where you're wrong, and I know what I'm talking about here. Cindy was NOT an office manager for Gentiva Home Health, she was a Nurse Case Manager, and they do go out to see patients. I used to work for them, and I've had Case Managers. It is not a "desk job" and you are issued a pager for when you are out of the office.

Thanks for the clarification. Did we ever hear that she was out of the office? I thought she supervised nurses. I never heard she was out in the field. Could explain why she went on disability. I can't imagine her going out in public after the cr*p hit the proverbial fan. Do we know this for a fact?