Letters to Casey from Cindy and George

[SindyBill]

This is what really sticks out as very bizarre behavior to me..not to mention yet another slap in the face of justice for Caylee.

But it seems that Caylee's mother, ICA, is now a saint in the eyes of the Anthony's. First we hear Cindy talking about having ICA "bless" something..what the hell? And then you've got Mallory practically gushing over the fact that ICA wrote a special letter approving of her brother's betrothed. Like it's the best compliment or stamp of approval Mallory has ever received..coming from an accused baby killer inmate in the Orange County Jail.

*scratching my head*

How does one get so suckered in to this crazy family that they can warp their own reality and think that a compliment from a murderer is practically a blessing?

This makes no sense at all. Mallory must have some screws loose, JMO.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Here mom explains the I still think Caylee is alive remark. Also, she complains that her letters are being made public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUNW6Zz0DGo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZorA5Agm0
Cindy says she and Casey are cut from the same cloth.She cannot believe that Casey could have harmed Caylee because if SHE could have that would mean that Cindy could have. That is what I have been saying since the first time I saw Cindy in a police interview.

Even so, hearing her say it gave me chills. The trial is going to be BRUTAL!!

Also, here George offers up excuses for Casey claiming he and Lee molested her, that the only reason she did that was to try to empathize with the other inmate who was confiding she had been. Excuses for Casey , at short notice, is a Anthony specialty.

Then Cindy says that we blogers do not have pure hearts. You must see this to believe it!!!! fifteen minute mark!!!! "If Casey is capable of that, that means I am capable of that, and I know I'm not," Cindy said.

Mom says no, she does not think Roy Kronk makes reasonable doubt. Regarding Kronk, George says he believes Jose and co., are doing whatever it is they think they have to. He adds no matter where the road leads, he wants the truth!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWrD5mC-cEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3IrCfVbZBs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwV6dxVJn1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5f3q9lOhyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnVmOq0QJsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n861z1bJktY
How do they do this many TV appearances then complain their letters are not private?

Above BBM

This is a very revealing interview IMO. All along we've seen that CA has trouble recognizing that she and KC are two separate individuals. I remember vividly the FBI asking CA a question about how KC was as a mother and CA answering with what SHE did as a mother to KC. But to now hear her say it outright....."that if KC murdered Caylee that would have to mean that SHE (CA) was capable of the same thing" --- wow.....WTH??? I am left with the impression that CA is a mentally fractured person, struggling to keep it all together. At the 19:40 mark in the Today interview she even begins rocking back and forth on camera. It was disturbing to watch. I hope she is receiving mental health treatment. It would be a good time for a professional treating her to put in that Today tape and point out to her that her thinking is skewed. That she and KC are two separate people, and that if KC murdered Caylee, it DOES NOT mean that CA is also capable of murder. Seriously, I can now see that CA is not "acting" crazy.....she really does have some messed up thinking. I don't see how she can be used as a witness for either side due to her behavior and the things she's said. She has some very tough years in front of her. Sad, really sad.

MOO

 

[The World According]

Above BBM

This is a very revealing interview IMO. All along we've seen that CA has trouble recognizing that she and KC are two separate individuals. I remember vividly the FBI asking CA a question about how KC was as a mother and CA answering with what SHE did as a mother to KC. But to now hear her say it outright....."that if KC murdered Caylee that would have to mean that SHE (CA) was capable of the same thing" --- wow.....WTH??? I am left with the impression that CA is a mentally fractured person, struggling to keep it all together. At the 19:40 mark in the Today interview she even begins rocking back and forth on camera. It was disturbing to watch. I hope she is receiving mental health treatment. It would be a good time for a professional treating her to put in that Today tape and point out to her that her thinking is skewed. That she and KC are two separate people, and that if KC murdered Caylee, it DOES NOT mean that CA is also capable of murder. Seriously, I can now see that CA is not "acting" crazy.....she really does have some messed up thinking. I don't see how she can be used as a witness for either side due to her behavior and the things she's said. She has some very tough years in front of her. Sad, really sad.

MOO

I agree completely. "If Casey is capable of that, that means I am capable of that, and I know I'm not," Cindy said. That one quote from her, sums up the entire Cindy Anthony question, definitively. That helps us put into focus the immoral ,even illegal (allegedly) things she can and has done and likely will continue to do in her mission to clear her name. Lee, grab your girl and get the hell out of Dodge. Do not let another child grow up with this! I don't care what bone he threw her in mouthing I love you at the hearing. The absence of his letters and his absence in the courtroom for hearings screams out, I am not with you, sis. You are on your own. It reminds me of Kris Kardashian-Jenner sitting with Denise and Juditha Brown for the OJ murder trial, even though her former husband and father to her children was representing OJ. It is public, it is overt. No two inferences can be drawn.
Good for Lee for not writing to her. As for Cindy's letters all I know is the good hardworking taxpayers of the jury will not have just fallen off the turnip truck. I think the jury is going to have a visceral common sense reaction to this nonsense. Seeing how literally Cindy associates her and Casey as being one explains the jaw dropping lack of immediate, outraged , very public denial and defense of Lee when Casey's allegation that he sexually assaulted her emerged. If I had a son and he was accused of something like that, where just the accusation would haunt him for the rest of his life.....I would sleep on the steps of the news station to speak out on his behalf. I would have made the rounds on every talk show shouting his innocence from the top of my lungs. The sun would not have set that very day before I sent each and every local and national media outlet a denial in the strongest words possible. Instead what do we hear from Cindy...... crickets.
Her letters reflect a very, very troubled, misguided, lost person, imo. I think Grandma Shirley's intuition that Cindy may hurt herself was spot on and there is still a very real danger of that as the trial is going to be brutal for her to face. She can write all the self serving letters she wants, I trust they are of no consolation to her. None. She doesn't even fool herself. Poor Caylee. She was not a Casey do over, as the Anthonys have suggested in saying "It was like seeing Casey grow up all over again", and "We were so looking forward to her having the same kindergarden teacher Casey had", etc.
What strikes me in those letters is there is no mention of finding the real killer. When Cindy speaks of being reunited , the three of them, what does she mean....I hate you , you little ***** and when I go, I wont be going ALONE?
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[momtective]

I've been thinking a lot about these letters from CA to ICA...as a mother (not at all like CA mind you) I would think she would seize the opportunity to confront ICA in these letters. What is CA afraid of? Why hasn't she blasted ICA in her letters? Not one time has CA even asked "What the hell happened KC!" I mean CA knows KC killed Caylee, she knows! Why doesn't she ask her what happened? As a parent I would want to know, I would demand to know! But CA doesn't...she doesn't demand anything from ICA. Why? What is she afraid of, the truth? I think if ICA really wanted to get back at CA then she would give her the gory details. Why hasn't this happened? I mean initially they didn't know the personal correspondence would be released, right? If I were in CA's position, my very first letter to ICA would have demanded to know what happened and if ICA hates CA as much as we think she does then why wasn't her first letter to CA filled with the gory details...or was it? Another thing we will never know, what ICA writes in her letters to CA.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

When I read this last letter from CA to KC.....in my mind's eye I could just see KC thinking......"OMG MOTHER - GET OVER IT - I KILLED HER AND SHE'S DEAD". How much you want to bet that is really what she thinks when she reads this dribble from Cindy?

 

[countzero]

I've been thinking a lot about these letters from CA to ICA...as a mother (not at all like CA mind you) I would think she would seize the opportunity to confront ICA in these letters. What is CA afraid of? Why hasn't she blasted ICA in her letters? Not one time has CA even asked "What the hell happened KC!" I mean CA knows KC killed Caylee, she knows! Why doesn't she ask her what happened? As a parent I would want to know, I would demand to know! But CA doesn't...she doesn't demand anything from ICA. Why? What is she afraid of, the truth? I think if ICA really wanted to get back at CA then she would give her the gory details. Why hasn't this happened? I mean initially they didn't know the personal correspondence would be released, right? If I were in CA's position, my very first letter to ICA would have demanded to know what happened and if ICA hates CA as much as we think she does then why wasn't her first letter to CA filled with the gory details...or was it? Another thing we will never know, what ICA writes in her letters to CA.

Excellent questions. I am always amazed at people like CA when they open their mouths with nothing coming out of significance. Hence the pen in CA's case.

To answer your questions with one answer: Why ask questions when you already know the answer.

Simply stated here -- CA knew the answers already. No need to put it in writing admitting culpability. Deflect, Defend and Deny are the three Ds the A clan subscribes to on a daily basis.

 

[logicalgirl]

Hmmm.....:waitasec: . To me, in the Anthony household, you are either good and can be emotionally supported, or bad, and not supported. We already know neither Cindy nor George know how to emotionally support ICA or anyone else by admitting their wrong doing and being there for them as they work through change.

If Cindy knew how, she would have sought help to deal with ICA in the early days, and we can see by what she says the counsellor says - throw them out - that Cindy sees thinks in black or white. No gray area, no middle ground to problem solve.

Cindy doesn't want to cut herself off completely from ICA, even IMO she knows ICA killed Caylee. I don't know, maybe she is hoping it was an accident. But the family dynamic has already shown she doesn't know how to "face" ICA in a letter or in person and say, I know you did this and I will be here for you while you go through the court system and accept your sentence-but let's stop pretending you are innocent of this crime.

 

[countzero]

I think we all need to remember these letters the SAOs office have released are ONLY the letters sent to the jail.

Who knows what the subject of discussions were in the letters JB passed and may continue to pass between the A clan and ICA. We don't know exactly what CA and ICA have passed between themselves using Jeanne either. We know from Mallory's letter that LA and ICA correspond. So I give LA no credit for not using the USPS system.

As far as "confronting" ICA, CA had more than enough time to do this starting with the minute Amy was dropped off July 15, 08. CA had more than enough time to speak with ICA during their pajama party, eating popcorn and watching movie time, even though Annie D was there. CA had plenty of time for chit chat while ICA was out on bail. Think shower time, think cooking time. Think in the car time.

So CA has no reason now to ask ICA about what happened. She knows. I believe her main objective with these letters going directly to the jail for ICA are simply a means to poison the jury pool. To make her appear not quite there. She no doubt is sitting back on her perfect new sofa giggling at what is being talked about her. Soaking in all the media exposure she is getting, stroking her ego and believing she is in control of ICA's future.

Pffffff. It isn't working for me.

 

[Snaz]

TWA,

What's with the female a's saying they're "cut from the same cloth"? Or like how casey said in the jail vids (while getting jealous) that she and Caylee are "like the same little person" when it came to discussing bagels. So weird. and like I've said a million times on this forum...I've just never seen a bunch of people like this.

Leila, casey could not live a normal life or a life at all. She wouldn't last but a few minutes, period. I've read on many a blogs (not WS) that there are people waiting to shoot her if she ever walks away from the courtroom as a free woman. IMO she isn't worth it, but nonetheless, I've seen it stated so many times. She's safer in jail/prison/death row/whatever.

And, unfortunately, if this were to happen, she would die having been acquitted of murdered... therefore, a free woman... she would become a martyr. Cindy would make sure of it.

If KC is going to die, it needs to be through the legal process having been convicted of murdering her innocent daughter and sentenced to die through whichever method she chooses.

That is so much more than she deserves... but it is the way it needs to be.

:twocents:

 

[Marshmallow]

'The World According' hit on my biggest issue with the family and defense attys, not one word about the real killer(cough) from them. Not one crying out for help to find the real person responsible, not one fund started to keep looking, no running tip line, no nothing. It's as if they don't care as long as we jump on their Casey didn't do it bandwagon.
There are a lot of questions I'd love to see a reporter ask Cindy but the foremost in my mind is this:
"Mrs Anthony, we've heard you state over and over that Casey did not murder Caylee. In light of that, what do you think the punishment should be for the person who killed Caylee? What would you like to see done with the person who murdered your granddaughter and put your family through this hell?"


I know it won't ever happen but wouldn't it be interesting to hear her reply?

 

[momtective]

'The World According' hit on my biggest issue with the family and defense attys, not one word about the real killer(cough) from them. Not one crying out for help to find the real person responsible, not one fund started to keep looking, no running tip line, no nothing. It's as if they don't care as long as we jump on their Casey didn't do it bandwagon.
There are a lot of questions I'd love to see a reporter ask Cindy but the foremost in my mind is this:
"Mrs Anthony, we've heard you state over and over that Casey did not murder Caylee. In light of that, what do you think the punishment should be for the person who killed Caylee? What would you like to see done with the person who murdered your granddaughter and put your family through this hell?"


I know it won't ever happen but wouldn't it be interesting to hear her reply?

Oh, that would be priceless....please, someone in the media be reading here! KB are you here? raying:

 

[msinformed]

I have tried to read through the whole thread, and do not believe I have found the answer to this question. Mod's please forgive and delete if I am being repetitive.

In Mallories letter to Casey (postmarked Feb 9, 2010), page 15057 in the doc dump, Mallorie writes:

One last thing ... not this last Christmas we just had, but the Christmas before that, Lee and I decided not to give each other presents but just do cards/letters to each other. When Lee handed me his letter, he also handed me a letter you had written to him. When I tried to give it back, as I thought he had given this to me in error, he said, "No. Read it. It's part of my letter." I'm sure you know where this is going ... the letter he handed me from you was a letter you had written to him about me. It was beautiful, Casey. I began to cry uncontrollably before I even got to the 3rd sentence. Obviously, I gave that letter back to him when I was done as it was from you to him. But I appreciated that he wanted to share it with me to let me know how much I mean to him, which included how much I mean to you. I am so happy he decided to share that with I me and even more so that you decided to share that with him. Thank you for that. It was one of the most memorable moments in my life and I feel so lucky to be so loved by you and your family.

So in the Christmas of 2008 after they found little Caylee's body, Lee has a letter he received from ICA or a letter she wrote prior to becoming ICA. Given how her brother spent so much time sexually harassing her and how much time she spent away from him and family, I am dumfounded to believe it was before her arrest. So would this be proof that JB was passing notes from ICA to the family?

This letter from 2/10, referring to correspondence from 12/08. WTH took her sooo long to convey her feelings re: that letter?

Odd, just odd. imo :waitasec:

 

[SusiePMcD]

'The World According' hit on my biggest issue with the family and defense attys, not one word about the real killer(cough) from them. Not one crying out for help to find the real person responsible, not one fund started to keep looking, no running tip line, no nothing. It's as if they don't care as long as we jump on their Casey didn't do it bandwagon.
There are a lot of questions I'd love to see a reporter ask Cindy but the foremost in my mind is this:
"Mrs Anthony, we've heard you state over and over that Casey did not murder Caylee. In light of that, what do you think the punishment should be for the person who killed Caylee? What would you like to see done with the person who murdered your granddaughter and put your family through this hell?"


I know it won't ever happen but wouldn't it be interesting to hear her reply?

Hello Marshmallow and everyone....great post...I would love to hear the

repley ...but as you say...we know it will never happen. Might as well

ask..."So Cindy...what ya think Casey's punishment should be for taking

Caylee away from you?" Now that would make her choke on her chewing

gum for sure!

(pssstttt...longtime lurker jumping in on my lunch hour )

okay back to reading!

 

[Openmyeyes]

Excellent questions. I am always amazed at people like CA when they open their mouths with nothing coming out of significance. Hence the pen in CA's case.

To answer your questions with one answer: Why ask questions when you already know the answer.

Simply stated here -- CA knew the answers already. No need to put it in writing admitting culpability. Deflect, Defend and Deny are the three Ds the A clan subscribes to on a daily basis.

She definately knew the answers, she knew she pushed KC over the edge.
IMO, they had one too many fights and CA didn't want to admit that KC was done making idle threats. They are both highly selfish women, both more worried about their lives than the life of an innocent child. CA considered getting custody of Caylee, but was torn between allowing KC to be a mother or CA having to raise another child. To me this is where CA's guilt stops her from accepting the truth and where she excuses herself from her actions. She has convinced herself that she needs to be the exact opposite personality type now, and show the world how supportive she is and maybe we'll believe she was supportive of KC prior to Caylees murder. All one has to do is listen to the 911 calls to know how that wasn't true.

 

[momtective]

WELCOME
SusiePMcD
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[Mendara]

Casey Anthony is extremely powerful. Her influence over her family is insanity. The fact that she killed a sweet little innocent baby that her family claims to have loved and yet no one - not a one of them has turned from her or challenged her story or guided her to tell the truth is mind blowing. Her lies are so real and evil, her stealing is a fact and yet still they make excuses instead of remaining silent or standing on caylee's side. I can't imagine how scared Caylee must have been in the last few moments of her life.

Maybe she cried for her grandmother Cindy - maybe called out for George. How sad for her that even now in her death none of these people have stepped up with anger to find her some peace and justice.

For Lee's fiance I can only say maybe being friends with Casey a famous killer is something she desires, makes her feel special that Casey would even acknowledge her.

The facts are that Casey has a strong hold over this family. Caylee had none. No power, no pretection, no defender, she didn't stand a chance against her mother.

Someone on here said that as Casey reads the letters from her mom that she may be thinking about how annoying her mother is, but she is not thinking this. I bet she barely reads them. I bet she herself is shocked at her mother's loyalty - I bet she thinks she is untouchable.

I just hope when she closes her eyes she remembers the last few images of Caylee.

I have a question - the court will have to go with the Nanny story correct since this is the story on record, if not then Casey has to testify to a new one, correct?

 

[Oakley]

I noticed in SP's letters she claims GA had no formal education but if you look at his employment application he has a BA and graduated from Youngstown State Univ. He spent 10 years in LE. I think the fact that CA made him quit the police department was not a good decision for GA. Nothing worse than asking a police officer to resign when they feel this is their calling. So what types of jobs did GA go after, security because he still longed for his old job and nothing will satisfy that hunger when they have it. He was smart enough to do other things but kept going back to the security positions. It is sad that he did not stick to his guns...no pun intended, and tell CA he was going to get back into the work he loved. You can see it in his interviews with LE but CA has the upper hand, always. Looking back CA will see all the lives she has ruined by being so controling that no one, no one would dare say no to you. She needs counseling big time. jmo

BBM George CLAIMED to have a college degree. George has 'claimed' a lot of things that have not proven to be true. He very well may be telling the truth about having an undergraduate degree but given his track-record, and SP's remark about him "having no formal education" I am inclined to believe it was an Anthony 'mis-truth.' :cow:

 

[Oakley]

He did tell LE and if he used that on his employment application and it was a lie they could have fired him. I know years ago LE preferred candidates with some type of formal education and not just a high school certificate. But then we are talking about the A's. If he were going to lie though why would he put his major as business adm and ART??? lol Art being on the other end of law enforcement studies. jmo

BBM You are correct LC, that is if they cared enough to verify it. I worked with a woman who claimed to be a PhD years ago. It wasn't until management suspected she might have misrepresented her education that it was investigated and proven to be false.

 

[logicalgirl]

I think we all need to remember these letters the SAOs office have released are ONLY the letters sent to the jail.

Who knows what the subject of discussions were in the letters JB passed and may continue to pass between the A clan and ICA. We don't know exactly what CA and ICA have passed between themselves using Jeanne either. We know from Mallory's letter that LA and ICA correspond. So I give LA no credit for not using the USPS system.

As far as "confronting" ICA, CA had more than enough time to do this starting with the minute Amy was dropped off July 15, 08. CA had more than enough time to speak with ICA during their pajama party, eating popcorn and watching movie time, even though Annie D was there. CA had plenty of time for chit chat while ICA was out on bail. Think shower time, think cooking time. Think in the car time.

So CA has no reason now to ask ICA about what happened. She knows. I believe her main objective with these letters going directly to the jail for ICA are simply a means to poison the jury pool. To make her appear not quite there. She no doubt is sitting back on her perfect new sofa giggling at what is being talked about her. Soaking in all the media exposure she is getting, stroking her ego and believing she is in control of ICA's future.

Pffffff. It isn't working for me.

I see your points but to give CA that much power and control of what she is doing just doesn't work for me. This is a woman IMO who is thrashing around in an emotional hell, who knows the world is sitting there Monday morning quarterbacking her every move, and she knows she is one of the most hated women in America.

CA would have to have completely lost her hold on reality - that is be unable to function if she were actually sitting on her sofa giggling, enjoying her media attention. How could she not know that any move she makes unleashes a whole new load of venom from her watchers. ICA may be reviled by people, but CA remains the favorite of the year for :slap: and :argue: and oke:. Yes, I absolutely agree her bizarre behaviour has brought it on herself.

I think by her behavior over the last six months, it appears clear to me she is very aware both that ICA is guilty and ICA will at the very least spend the rest of her days in prison.

However, when I distance myself from my disgust at her behavior, I suggest CA is not a sophisticated or emotionally mature individual. The concept of true self work is beyond her superficial understanding of what she needs to do to both accept and cope with Caylee's murder and her daughter's culpability. I predict a complete emotional collapse at sentencing and then perhaps slowly she can begin to do the true emotional rehabilitation that proceeds healing.

 

[logicalgirl]

I've been thinking a lot about these letters from CA to ICA...as a mother (not at all like CA mind you) I would think she would seize the opportunity to confront ICA in these letters. What is CA afraid of? Why hasn't she blasted ICA in her letters? Not one time has CA even asked "What the hell happened KC!" I mean CA knows KC killed Caylee, she knows! Why doesn't she ask her what happened? As a parent I would want to know, I would demand to know! But CA doesn't...she doesn't demand anything from ICA. Why? What is she afraid of, the truth? I think if ICA really wanted to get back at CA then she would give her the gory details. Why hasn't this happened? I mean initially they didn't know the personal correspondence would be released, right? If I were in CA's position, my very first letter to ICA would have demanded to know what happened and if ICA hates CA as much as we think she does then why wasn't her first letter to CA filled with the gory details...or was it? Another thing we will never know, what ICA writes in her letters to CA.

Wow - some interesting questions. What is CA afraid of? IMO that ICA will be found not guilty and she will be coming home.
Why doesn't ICA tell CA the gory details? She's not smart but she's wily - any chance it could fall into evidence or have her mother waving it around isn't something she'd be willing to risk.