Lisa Irwin Disappearance - Thoughts and Theories ONLY!

[eleni777]

My opinion, and I believe everybody has the right to their own opinion. Consider all that this family has been through in the past week. I imagine both of the parent's are being treated medically for the amount of stress they are under. That could very much explain the differences in the most recent interviews vs the earlier ones.

As for the dumpster fire, I just don't see the big deal. They live in a pretty heavily populated area, dumpster/trash can fires are probably pretty common. Were I now live, people regularly burn their lawn clippings, downed branches and leaves. When I lived NJ, I wouldn't necessarily know if there was a dumpster fire or brush fire that wasn't big enough to make the news headlines.

I agree, I don't see why it is so important that she didn't mention the dumpster fire to Jeremy. Unless I set the damn thing it wouldn't register on my radar. Of course she can't lie if she heard about it then that would cast even more suspicion on her.

Honestly I'm surprised they are still talking to the media...everything they do and say is being scrutinized negatively. I bet if they were on the floor sobbing uncontrollable the opinion would be that it was too much and therefore they were faking it.

 

[curiositycat]

This thing has been going on over a week. You know how it is, staying with your in-laws, living under another person's roof, in a small home? You are out of your routine, and we all get stuck in our routines.

I don't understand what is keeping them from going back home, I understand they are distraught and grieving. I feel that most people grieve best in their own home, where they can have time alone.

Living with anyone else for awhile, out of your own home, tends to get stressful.

I have to think things are getting stressful for all of them. Why don't they go home??? The reporters will hound them at the in-laws house, also. I just don't understand this.

A part of me wonders if JI's family isn't keeping a tight watch on DB for some reason.

 

[marge_rita]

As far as a theory --well here goes.

Is is possible someone -maybe more than one person- was at the house that night? Is it possible that the female neighbor is riding tandem storywise with D? Did she and D concoct that story together?

I've taken my children for rides in the car when they had asthma attacks to stop the coughing................................walking down the street in the middle of the night with no blankee, etc. I never did that.


imo

 

[captivagrl]

But the problem is with everyone saying "if it was me" is that it's not you. Every person reacts differently. I don't know how I would react. In a panic/stress situation, I tend to become highly focused and tend to make myself remain calm. I know that I'm not doing anyone any good if I freak out.

I had a situation last year where my oldest got off the bus at a daycare on the first day of school. To make a long story short, there was about 1 hour where I did not know where she was at. I was actually incredibly calm. Her teacher went to the daycare and found her since the daycare repeatedly denied that she was there. I was about to call the police when they pulled up with her.

People deal with crisis differently, that's for sure. I had a similar scare when my son was 10. I received a phone call from school somewhere around 10:00 am. They were double checking that he was indeed home sick. He was not. After they checked again with his teacher and confirmed that he never showed up for school that day, let's just say I went into full panic. I called the police and for the next 2 hours I had a missing child.
The bus driver was interrogated. The police suspected me of foul play. Of course I answered every question, even VERY personal ones, so they could start to eliminate me and other family members. They took a recent photo of my son. I was frantic on the inside but steady on the outside.
The end of the story is the police found him at another boy's home playing video games. In those 2 hours I aged at least 5 years. It was so out of character for my son to pull something like that. It's still the only trouble I've ever had with him. You never know what they'll do to drive you nuts.

 

[MissJames]

But the problem is with everyone saying "if it was me" is that it's not you. Every person reacts differently. I don't know how I would react. In a panic/stress situation, I tend to become highly focused and tend to make myself remain calm. I know that I'm not doing anyone any good if I freak out.

I had a situation last year where my oldest got off the bus at a daycare on the first day of school. To make a long story short, there was about 1 hour where I did not know where she was at. I was actually incredibly calm. Her teacher went to the daycare and found her since the daycare repeatedly denied that she was there. I was about to call the police when they pulled up with her.

What's missing here is any information that Lisa had "issues" .

While emotional reactions may vary ,basic reactions will be more common.
I keep harping on the accident scenario because ,across the board , a parent will try to get help for their child ,unless............
was their criminal activity involved? Are they so narcissistic that they would sacarifice the baby's life to cover up criminal activity?
Are they mentally challenged? Mentally ill? A drug addict? Suffering from post partum depression or psychosis?

We haven't heard anything from anyone that would explain why mom would cover up an accident,or that she might harm her child.

Has the maternal family of JI's 8 yr old son said anything?

I've never sat on the fence like this ,before.

We need more info,IMO.

 

[marge_rita]

Do they have a landline? if not I feel that Someone did not was 911 or LE called.......

Hence missing cell phones........

They have a landline, it was discussed here a few days ago. Now if I could remember what thread i read it on.


imo

 

[ClaireNC]

Honestly I'm surprised they are still talking to the media...everything they do and say is being scrutinized negatively. I bet if they were on the floor sobbing uncontrollable the opinion would be that it was too much and therefore they were faking it.

Thanks eleni, I agree about the media. At this point it is "damned if you do, damned if you don't..."

Aside from that, I do think they are now being coached by somebody with PR experience, while the early interviews were just pure "from the gut" responses.

 

[marge_rita]

Do you know where I could find the interview from today? TH!

Sorry, I should have explained myself better. I watched both vids today. Thery're linked here.
I'm not aware of the mom speaking to the press today.

imo

 

[laniefi]

What's missing here is any information that Lisa had "issues" .

While emotional reactions may vary ,basic reactions will be more common.
I keep harping on the accident scenario because ,across the board , a parent will try to get help for their child ,unless............
was their criminal activity involved? Are they so narcissistic that they would sacarifice the baby's life to cover up criminal activity?
Are they mentally challenged? Mentally ill? A drug addict? Suffering from post partum depression or psychosis?

We haven't heard anything from anyone that would explain why mom would cover up an accident,or that she might harm her child.

Has the maternal family of JI's 8 yr old son said anything?

I've never sat on the fence like this ,before.

We need more info,IMO.

You would think her CURRENT husband would be someone to speak up - I mean - COME ON; you have a child and live with someone else when you are still married!

OY VEY!:maddening:

 

[MissJames]

As far as a theory --well here goes.

Is is possible someone -maybe more than one person- was at the house that night? Is it possible that the female neighbor is riding tandem storywise with D? Did she and D concoct that story together?

I've taken my children for rides in the car when they had asthma attacks to stop the coughing................................walking down the street in the middle of the night with no blankee, etc. I never did that.


imo

Are you suggesting that the woman with the story of a man walking down the street may actually be lying to cover for D?

I found the woman's demeanor incredibly blase' considering she may have blown the one chance to save baby Lisa. According to her,the husband saw the man with the baby and asked her to call 911 ,but she didn't think anything of it.
The husband didn't want to show his face.
Just another hinky item that may mean nothing,but why haven't we heard any more about that?
ETA: why didn't the husband call 911? He could give a description.

 

[curiositycat]

You would think her CURRENT husband would be someone to speak up - I mean - COME ON; you have a child and live with someone else when you are still married!

OY VEY!:maddening:

Apparently her husband is oversea's in Iraq?

But I wonder why they haven't spoken to his ex. He has a son that is 8 years old. He has lived in the house since 2001, according to public records. I wonder if the son's mother ever lived in the house with him.

"Hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned." Maybe she would not like another woman living with her son in a house she once lived in. IDK but I hope they have cleared her. JMOO

 

[Mojen]

I have a hard time blaming the parents when there is no solid evidence that has been released indicating their guilt. I don't care how many different cases there have been where a parent(s) have hurt their child and lied about it; I just can't decide someone must know something about what happened because they reacted "strangely" or different than how I "think" I would react if I were in their situation.

So, I guess my theory is someone came in and took that baby. I get why they don't want to search the woods, drains, etc., for the baby. That would be admitting she may be dead. How horrible would that be for a parent to have to let your mind go there.

 

[MissJames]

My opinion, and I believe everybody has the right to their own opinion. Consider all that this family has been through in the past week. I imagine both of the parent's are being treated medically for the amount of stress they are under. That could very much explain the differences in the most recent interviews vs the earlier ones.

As for the dumpster fire, I just don't see the big deal. They live in a pretty heavily populated area, dumpster/trash can fires are probably pretty common. Were I now live, people regularly burn their lawn clippings, downed branches and leaves. When I lived NJ, I wouldn't necessarily know if there was a dumpster fire or brush fire that wasn't big enough to make the news headlines.

BBM
That was my first thought ,also. Doesn't mean they are innocent,but not necessarily guilty,either.JMO

 

[andalso]

Just occurred to me...
If the neighbor saw a man carrying a baby only in a diaper....why would the baby be only in a diaper considering Lisa had PJ's on when she was put to bed. If you are going to kidnap a baby, are you going to take the time to take the babies clothes off? And if so, where are those clothes? (dumpster fire?)

 

[AuburnJenn]

Based on their body language and odd comments, I think one or both parents knows what happened. It bugs me that neither parent ever makes eye contact with the camera, reporter, etc. Always looking to the side or staring into space. And if you are completely innocent, why would you 'expect' to be arrested? And if I 'miserably failed' a lie detector test, I sure wouldn't tell ANYONE, especially the media!

We just don't really know much about these folks. How long they have known each other, the circumstances around Lisa's birth/the pregnancy, possible criminal backgrounds, etc. I haven't heard anyone outside the family come out and say, "oh, she's a great mom" or "he's a wonderful neighbor, loves his kids" like you nearly always do with these kind of cases.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Yes, shaking her head NO and looking down and to the right while answering. Everything is "I don't know" and "maybe" and I don't like those words.

So JI didn't know about the dumpster fire but DB did and didn't even think to mention it to him? They are supposedly trying to find thier baby, you would think they would follow up on anything and everything! If this last phone call is real and the dumpster fire happened at virtually the same time then that is a little more than coincidence. There are far to many firsts and coincidences in this case and it doesn't ring true to me.

JMO, but if I were being questioned, I would probably be all about the uncertain answers. I imagine that I'd be afraid that I'd make an honest mistake in recalling things and it would be pointed to as deception or an inconsistency (if I later realized that I'd been wrong).

 

[EllaMae]

Only reason I would make a list is if I was wanting to take the heat off of me and put it one someone else.

Someone made a phone call at 2:30 A.M. in the morning: it was either Deborah or the kids.......

BBM

The police asked the parents to make a list. It's standard procedure, and there's nothing unusual about it.

 

[MissJames]

But the problem is with everyone saying "if it was me" is that it's not you. Every person reacts differently. I don't know how I would react. In a panic/stress situation, I tend to become highly focused and tend to make myself remain calm. I know that I'm not doing anyone any good if I freak out.

I had a situation last year where my oldest got off the bus at a daycare on the first day of school. To make a long story short, there was about 1 hour where I did not know where she was at. I was actually incredibly calm. Her teacher went to the daycare and found her since the daycare repeatedly denied that she was there. I was about to call the police when they pulled up with her.

People deal with crisis differently, that's for sure. I had a similar scare when my son was 10. I received a phone call from school somewhere around 10:00 am. They were double checking that he was indeed home sick. He was not. After they checked again with his teacher and confirmed that he never showed up for school that day, let's just say I went into full panic. I called the police and for the next 2 hours I had a missing child.
The bus driver was interrogated. The police suspected me of foul play. Of course I answered every question, even VERY personal ones, so they could start to eliminate me and other family members. They took a recent photo of my son. I was frantic on the inside but steady on the outside.
The end of the story is the police found him at another boy's home playing video games. In those 2 hours I aged at least 5 years. It was so out of character for my son to pull something like that. It's still the only trouble I've ever had with him. You never know what they'll do to drive you nuts.

I just wanted to add ,I'm so glad both missing children were found safe!!!!

I bet you both have a few ,well earned ,gray hairs.

I'm sorry you had to endure such a scare,but you both reacted appropriately ,and the way most parents would,IMO.
The emotions you showed may have been different,but you were relentless until your child was found.That's the common behavior ,not whether or not you cry constantly or enough ,etc.
JMO

 

[marge_rita]

My opinion, and I believe everybody has the right to their own opinion. Consider all that this family has been through in the past week. I imagine both of the parent's are being treated medically for the amount of stress they are under. That could very much explain the differences in the most recent interviews vs the earlier ones.

As for the dumpster fire, I just don't see the big deal. They live in a pretty heavily populated area, dumpster/trash can fires are probably pretty common. Were I now live, people regularly burn their lawn clippings, downed branches and leaves. When I lived NJ, I wouldn't necessarily know if there was a dumpster fire or brush fire that wasn't big enough to make the news headlines.

Dumpster fires in and of themselves are not a big deal.

A dumpster fire the same night, close to the same time a baby goes missing.......could be a big deal.

The parents should be under stress, their baby is missing.

imo

 

[marge_rita]

BBM

The police asked the parents to make a list. It's standard procedure, and there's nothing unusual about it.

It's standard procedure for parents of missing children to make a list?
didn't know that.

imo