Another candidate for LHM sketch subject...
Below is a copy of the sketch of a long haired man that police say was an individual known to be a rapist and who was involved in an incident in Wheaton Maryland in 1975. Also included is a 1977 photo of Lloyd Welch, the recently named Person of Interest in the Lyon Case.
http://www.mymcpnews.com/2014/02/11...apping-of-lyon-sisters-others-victims-sought/
The next Link shows a 1982 mug shot of Timothy Buzbee, AKA the Aspen Hill Rapist who has been convicted of numerous rapes, kidnappings, and other crimes between 1977 and 1983. He actually lived in Aspen Hill in 1975, just 4 miles North of Wheaton Plaza. He has a thread in this topic area. Note his resemblance to the recently released sketch.
Buzbee Indicted on Rape Charges - Connected Communities Newswire
I do not see the resemblance. The eyes are very different. Buzbee has close small eyes and the sketched LHM has big wide eyes. The hair pattern in the mustache is different. I just don't see it. The top image is of LHM the bottom image is Buzbee's 1982 mugshot.
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Lloyd Lee Welch: His Maryland record
Here is what Maryland Judiciary Search shows for Lloyd Lee Welch regarding legal charges. In all, not a very impressive record. His earliest charges shown appear in January of 1978. These are adult charges. Juvenile charges - if he had any - would have been sealed.
In the criminal charge record of Prince Georges County, he filed a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity and the court ordered that he be examined to substantiate that plea. It is therefor, likely that a 1979 Psychiatric Report exists in the public records.
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A 1988 Tax Lien case in Prince Georges County:
CAL8802911 Welch, Lloyd L Defendant Prince George's County Circuit Court CIVIL CLOSEDS 02/25/1988 ST OF MD VS WELCH
Circuit Court for Prince George's County - Civil System
Case Number:CAL88-02911
Case Description:ST OF MD VS WELCH
Case Type:Lien/Judgment
Filing Date:02/25/1988
Case Status:Case Closed Statistically
Defendant/Respondent Information
Defendant Party No.:2
Name: Alyene Welch
Defendant Party No.:1
Name: Lloyd L Welch
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From 1981 thru 1982: Criminal Charges of Offenses which took place in Prince Georges County, MD.
Note that he pled Insanity in the full records and went for mental evaluations.
Also note that there were multiple charges, only three of which went to court.
Record indicates Lloyd Welch DOB as December 1957.
CT811496 Welch, Lloyd L 12/1957 Defendant Prince George's County Circuit Court CRIMINAL ACTIVE 02/23/1998 WELCH, LLOYD LEE
Court System:Circuit Court for Prince George's County - Criminal System
Case Number:CT81-1496
Case Description:Welch, Lloyd Lee
Case Type:Criminal Appeal
Filing Date:09/30/1981
Name: Lloyd Lee Welch
Address: 4714 Baltimore Ave
City: HyattsvilleState:MD
Charge and Disposition Information
Charge No: 1
Charge: Robbery w/Dw
Charge Code: 27-488
Offense Date: 11/01/1986
Disposition: Nolle Pros
Disposition Date: 04/13/1982
Charge No: 6
Charge: Burglary/1st Deg/Dwllng/Crim
Charge Code: 27-29
Offense Date: 11/01/1986
Disposition: Guilty
Disposition Date: 03/03/1982
Charge No: 9
Charge: Assault And Battery
Charge Code: CL021
Offense Date: 11/01/1986
Disposition: Guilty
Disposition Date: 03/03/1982
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Charges filed in January 1978 for Breaking and Entery and theft in Montgomery County, MD. Note that there was no plea or outcome listed, although the case was considered closed. This might be the breaking and entering/burglary incident mentioned as having taken place in Kensington, MD but the website does not state the location.
20509C Welch, Lloyd Lee M Jr. Defendant Montgomery County Circuit Court INDICTMENT CLOSED 01/13/1978
Circuit Court for Montgomery County - Criminal System
Case Number: 20509C Sub Type: INDICTMENT
Date Filed: 01/13/1978
Name: WELCH, LLOYD LEE M JR.
(Each Charge is listed separately)
Count No: 1
Charge Description: HOUSEBREAKING/STATUTORY NIGHTTIME
Citation Number: Plea:
Count No: 2
Charge Description: LARCENY $100 OR MORE
Citation Number: Plea:
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A Traffic violation from 1979. Note that the record shows Welch's DOB as December 1952. He had no drivers license in 1979. Note that he failed to show for court and the case is still listed as "Active".
0000004479046 Welch, Lloyd Lee 12/1952 Defendant Rockville District Court Traffic ACTIVE CASE 03/06/1979
DISTRICT COURT FOR MONTGOMERY COUNTY (ROCKVILLE) - TRAFFIC SYSTEM
Citation Number: 0000004479046
Case Status:ACTIVE CASE
Violation Date: 03/06/1979 Violation Time: 06:15 PM
Violation County: MONTGOMERY COUNTY (ROCKVILLE)
WELCH, LLOYD LEE
Address:18407 LOSTKNIFE CIR #202
City: GAITHERSBURG
State:MD
Zip Code: 20760
Race:WHITE,CAUCASIAN,ASIATIC INDIAN,ARAB
Sex:MHeight:509
Weight:165
DOB:12/1952
Charge Description: DRIVING WITHOUT LICENSE
Location Stopped: LOST KNIFE CIR
Fine: 250
Vehicle Tag: ECG856
State: MD
Vehicle Description: 77PONT03
Disposition InformationPlea:
Disposition: FAILURE TO APPEAR
Disposition Date: 06/21/1979
Sentence Date: 06/21/1979
Sentence Time: Yrs:00Mos:00Days:000
Related Person Information
Name:SIAVIN, EDWARD K
Connection:WITNESS FOR STATE
Address:2350 RESEARCH BLVD
City: ROCKVILLE
State:MD Zip
Code:20850
If I am understanding correctly they are also looking for any security guards from that time. I wonder if the suspect and his gf were cited/stopped for shoplifting or something and they have those records from that day. That would place them at the mall.
I am so happy there seems to be a lead/break in this case. I worked in a lamp store at Wheaton Plaza, as well as the movie theater back in the early 80's. That area behind Montgomery Wards was always deserted and I always thought that was the area they would have been taken from.
Kelly
I can't say that it's impressive but crime doesn't impress me. He has multiple convictions for sex offenses against young girls...he's evil..LE says he was at the mall when Kate and Sheila were there. They have very good reason for looking at this guy.
steveP120 Welcome to Websleuths and thanks for your post.
The dog search resumed on 2 April and that is probably when they were in the larger wooded area between the McComas/Drumm intersection and Jennings Road. This is from Washington Post on 3 April:
Quote - Two specially trained dogs yesterday (2 April) again scoured two square miles near the Kensington home of the two missing Lyon sisters but failed to turn up any clues, Montgomery County police said. - unquote.
If there had been any kind of a burial or place where there was any blood, or a place in the woods where the girls lay under leaves, those dogs most likely would have found it.
Richard: That being said, what if the girls had been dragged to the nursing home or a neighboring house? Would the scent have still been there after the week of rain etc.? Or is that a possibility?
steveP120 Welcome to Websleuths and thanks for your post.
You have obviously put a lot of thought into how a perpetrator might have killed and disposed of the girls if an attack took place in the wooded area discussed.
What strikes me most is the extreme difficulty he would have faced and how - lacking experience, intelligence, and resources - how much he would have been relying on sheer luck to have pulled it off in this manner. Not that it might not be possible, but that it would have been extremely difficult.
It would also require that someone who is at all other times a very disorganized individual become immediately very organized and clear thinking.
You mention the dogs, and I would like to touch on that aspect of the search for the girls. The dogs used were highly trained in tracking. They were two German shepherds owned and trained by Mr. Tom McQuinn of Philadelphia and it was Radio station WMAL that paid for him to bring them into the area.
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Thank you for your comments and kind words....
... I don't give Welch good odds moving bodies compared to someone with a car, but I would guess he had a 50:50 shot at moving the bodies unnoticed if it was him.
The fact that the police did not pay for the dogs (perhaps they used their own dogs earlier) suggest to me that the police had little faith in following a trail at that late date.
Also would a tracking dog have the same training/ability as a body-recovery dog or would a tracking dog just ignore dead animals and dead humans?
Thank you for your comments and kind words.
However I would argue that it was Welch's stupidity that would make it likely that something would go wrong, fatally wrong here, and wrong enough to get him arrested jailed nearly for life for other crimes later on........
If something went wrong, the bodies were already a bit off the beaten path, and Welch may have realized he only had an hour or two before the missing girls were searched for and did the best he could.
Even 39 years later, the police were able to identify Welch's hangouts. If dead bodies were found at the woods where he was know to walk past (or even stop at which is speculative on my part) he would know that he would be a murder suspect.
I don't give Welch good odds moving bodies compared to someone with a car, but I would guess he had a 50:50 shot at moving the bodies unnoticed if it was him.
The fact that the police did not pay for the dogs (perhaps they used their own dogs earlier) suggest to me that the police had little faith in following a trail at that late date.
Also would a tracking dog have the same training/ability as a body-recovery dog or would a tracking dog just ignore dead animals and dead humans?
Unless he had an accomplice with a car, it sounds unlikely that he committed this crime. One guy alone, very limited time, two girls - no way to take them anywhere?
Maybe LE is looking for the security guard because they think that he was an accomplice?