local media's first home tour and presser 10/27/11 **cancelled**

[Schmerty_Jones]

:floorlaugh: We have one but it keeps changing!

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OH! What a tangled web we weave......:maddening:When first we practice to deceive>>>> . They clearly have a $$$$$$$$$$$ reason for this :truce:disappearance...Not worth LE's time!

 

[Sigh Sister]

:floorlaugh: We have one but it keeps changing!

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It's like trying to nail Jello to the wall.

 

[yllek]

I have been waiting since Day 1 for any quote by anyone in the case that the neighbor (or anyone other than the parents) saw Lisa on Oct 3rd. There is no statement confirming that the neighbor or her daughter saw or interacted with Lisa at all, AFAIK. It's is noticeably absent from the interviews with the parents, their lawyers, the PI... I heard yesterday on one of the talk shows that the neighbor was said to be watching the kids while Debbi was at the store (not Jeremy, as previously surmised), but that is not confirmed AFAIK. If it has been confirmed, there was still nothing in that statement about the neighbor seeing Lisa. IF the neighbor was there earlier than previously reported or was "babysitting", she could have just come over at 5:20 and sat outside so Jeremy could go to work (or eyed the house for a few minutes) if Debbi wasn't back from the store yet.

Imo, it is really important to the time line of this case that thus far no one other than Debbi is ever stated as seeing or interacting with Lisa on Oct 3rd, in any interview (yet). In the People interview, it states that 5:20 is the last time Jeremy saw his daughter, when he left for work. He is the only other person mentioned to have seen or interacted with Lisa that day. If anyone has a link stating that the neighbor claims to have seen Lisa on Oct 3rd, please post it. TIA...

 

[Cazzie]

..gil abeyta drove out from colorado to offer his help, apparently they don't want it..



http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-col...y-of-baby-lisa-irwin-20111026,0,7864008.story

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15888077/two-parents-share-their-stories-similar-to-case

The parts on each link about Gil really touched me. I feel for Gil, becuz it's obvious that he really wants to help, and I perceive that it would help him so much to be able to have his help appreciated and acknowledged by this family. Not even publicly. But I don't get the impression that he got even that privately. I could be wrong, IDK. JMO.

Maybe Gil realizes that even if advice/suggestions are not acted upon (which is always an option, IMO), his good intentions did not go unrecognized (by me and others, I'm sure).

IMO, their stories are different in important ways, even tho they have similarities, and that is why Gil didn't get much time with the family.

That's all about that. :angel:

 

[katydid23]

I had that question too, and I just feel strongly that it's been reported recently that the neighbor DID see Lisa.

I think I commented on that, when the link was posted so maybe just best for me to wade through the last 100 posts or so and see.

I'll resurface after awhile. ;D

I really want the answer to that question too. Recently we heard, I think for the first time, that the neighbor was watching 'the kids' while DB and her brother went to the market for baby food and wine.

IF that is true, then imo the neighbor had to have seen the baby. There is a chance that mom said, the baby is sleeping, do not bother her, but that would be in conflict with her statement of putting the baby to sleep at 6:40.

I just do not think she could have put a living baby in her crib at 5 pm, while 3 other kids ran around the house playing, and not have that baby crying for attention from her room.

 

[Donjeta]

Okay I found where I read it, I think. Maybe Dr. Fessel can clarify which reporter and where?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7285709&postcount=228"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 26 October 2011 Main Stream Media coverage of Baby Lisa[/ame]

 

[madge]

It's never been confirmed what the neighbor said. All we have is Deborah's statement that she drank with her. The neighbor has been interviewed by police but nothing has been released. The neighbor hasn't spoken to the media.

 

[Cazzie]

Did the neighbor ever say that she saw Lisa that nite..3rd..while she was at the house..did she see a sleeping Lisa or an active Lisa? thanks much.

Yes, she did. It was reported fairly recently - I think in People? She saw her, before she was put to bed.

It might not have been people. It was an article that was really long, and had a lot of detail in it from the beginning of the case.

I read it here on this forum. I don't know that the neighbor was interviewed for the article, it wasn't a direct quote, just a statement. IMHO.

I would like a link for that article, because this is a big question that most of us have been asking.

Supposedly the neighbor watched the children while DB was out buying wine (but don't ask me for a link, I read it here today). If true she would have noticed if Lisa wasn't there.

It's not in People. I'm almost 100% positive that the neighbor has not been interviewed by media and LE isn't talking. I think you may be remembering incorrectly because that is one of the big questions everyone has had and haven't been able to get an answer to.

Ditto, Sigh Sister.

Nailing down the timeline for 10/3 & 10/4 is a huge issue about which many of us have been very frustrated and perplexed. And many of us have been trying to find something documented in MSM that indicates who saw Lisa when, on 10/3-10/4 other than DB and JI. Some of us even want to know such about 10/2, after the birthday party.

 

[yllek]

Okay I found where I read it, I think. Maybe Dr. Fessel can clarify which reporter and where?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - 26 October 2011 Main Stream Media coverage of Baby Lisa

That's what I saw too Donjeta, thanks! A local reporter saying that the neighbor was watching the kids while Debbi was at the store. Nothing about whether she was out front with the boys while the baby was in her bed, nothing about the "baby" specifically being seen, and coming from a local reporter without a source.

This is significant to me as there is no statement saying that when Debbi was cooking dinner for herself, her neighbor, the neighbor's daughter, and the boys, that Lisa was included or that Lisa was seen at all during this visit. We know the other children were watching a fairy tale video in the boys' rooms with the bunk beds. We know Debbi made chicken for dinner. We know Debbi and the neighbor sat on the stoop drinking boxed wine for hours after she arrived home from a trip to the Festival Foods market with her brother, where Debbi also purchased baby food and baby wipes. We know Jeremy left for work at 5:20, after being home for 2 hours from a day job. Yet, we do not have one statement, to date, as to anyone seeing Lisa, what Lisa was doing, or where Lisa was supposedly "awake", before Debbi put her to sleep at 6:40. I hope we get some confirmation one way or the other, soon.

 

[jacy]

It's never been confirmed what the neighbor said. All we have is Deborah's statement that she drank with her. The neighbor has been interviewed by police but nothing has been released. The neighbor hasn't spoken to the media.

Whenever this topic is broached, the question that plays in my mind is, "Is she not speaking to the media because of her high ethical standards?"

(And then I kinda mentally answer myself.) I'd have to think she has information. If she's been totally forthcoming to LE and staying away from media to preserve the case, more power to her.

 

[BritsKate]

JMHO but I do not believe anything happened prior to the evening of October 3rd. 10:30pm has been the only consistent time given by DB the whole way along. IMO that time means something.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm so confused! I thought JI was watching the kids... ugh. We need a timeline!

ETA: Oops I see we have one and I thank Shelby but I wish we had one that just listed the events from beginning to end. Maybe I'll try and get something together later if I have the time... The questions are killing me!

We'd have to do 3 separate timelines. One for each version of events. :banghead:

 

[titanfan62702]

:seeya: If you find it, it deserves a thread of it's own. It would be "BREAKING NEWS " (I said that using my best Nancy Grace impersonation :crazy

Not a bomb-shell or what some of us used to call bomb-fizzles.

 

[CharlestonGal]

I have been waiting since Day 1 for any quote by anyone in the case that the neighbor (or anyone other than the parents) saw Lisa on Oct 3rd. There is no statement confirming that the neighbor or her daughter saw or interacted with Lisa at all, AFAIK. It's is noticeably absent from the interviews with the parents, their lawyers, the PI... I heard yesterday on one of the talk shows that the neighbor was said to be watching the kids while Debbi was at the store (not Jeremy, as previously surmised), but that is not confirmed AFAIK. If it has been confirmed, there was still nothing in that statement about the neighbor seeing Lisa. IF the neighbor was there earlier than previously reported or was "babysitting", she could have just come over at 5:20 and sat outside so Jeremy could go to work (or eyed the house for a few minutes) if Debbi wasn't back from the store yet.

Imo, it is really important to the time line of this case that thus far no one other than Debbi is ever stated as seeing or interacting with Lisa on Oct 3rd, in any interview (yet). In the People interview, it states that 5:20 is the last time Jeremy saw his daughter, when he left for work. He is the only other person mentioned to have seen or interacted with Lisa that day. If anyone has a link stating that the neighbor claims to have seen Lisa on Oct 3rd, please post it. TIA...

No, the only ones who state they saw Lisa on Oct 3rd are JI and DB. As far as the neighbor, neither LE nor the neighbor has said anything at all in regards to the neighbor (or anyone else) seeing Lisa that day at all.

I think some people are just assuming the neighbor saw Lisa because the neighbor was supposedly at the house that night.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I fear a couple of things. That there is legal maneuvering behind the scenes to stop the interview of the boys tomorrow.

I also think this interview could be a very stressful time for the parents in that they have no idea what might come out.\

I also wonder if there is something else brewing for example a division in the ranks of the family.

Something is brewing. Exhaustion didn't happen overnight. Something else is brewing and is about to erupt is my feeling.

Something's about to blow.

:fireworks2:

 

[katydid23]

That's what I saw too Donjeta, thanks! A local reporter saying that the neighbor was watching the kids while Debbi was at the store. Nothing about whether she was out front with the boys while the baby was in her bed, nothing about the "baby" specifically being seen, and coming from a local reporter without a source.

This is significant to me as there is no statement saying that when Debbi was cooking dinner for herself, her neighbor, the neighbor's daughter, and the boys, that Lisa was included or that Lisa was seen at all during this visit. We know the other children were watching a fairy tale video in the boys' rooms with the bunk beds. We know Debbi made chicken for dinner. We know Debbi and the neighbor sat on the stoop drinking boxed wine for hours after she arrived home from a trip to the market with her brother. We do not have one statement, to date, as to anyone seeing Lisa, what Lisa was doing, or where Lisa was supposedly "awake", before Debbi put her to sleep at 6:40. I hope we get some confirmation one way or the other, soon.

So true and very worrisome. If a yr old child was awake and alive, then she would do anything it took to be right there in the room with those other 3 kids. The 4 yr old neighbor girl was visiting. I bet those two girls loved each other. How would DB keep them apart that afternoon and evening if the baby was alive and well. There is no way she could have just put her in her room all alone without that child putting up a noisy fight about it, if she could hear the other kids playing in the next room. This whole thing gives me the creeps. If I hear from the neighbor that she NEVER saw baby Lisa that afternoon/evening, then I am off the fence for good.

 

[Abby Normal]

I really want the answer to that question too. Recently we heard, I think for the first time, that the neighbor was watching 'the kids' while DB and her brother went to the market for baby food and wine.

IF that is true, then imo the neighbor had to have seen the baby. There is a chance that mom said, the baby is sleeping, do not bother her, but that would be in conflict with her statement of putting the baby to sleep at 6:40.

I just do not think she could have put a living baby in her crib at 5 pm, while 3 other kids ran around the house playing, and not have that baby crying for attention from her room.

IMO you would take a HUGE risk leaving anyone at the house with a dead child. She would have sooner sent her brother in her place if that was the case, so she could "stand guard". JMO

 

[CharlestonGal]

JMHO but I do not believe anything happened prior to the evening of October 3rd. 10:30pm has been the only consistent time given by DB the whole way along. IMO that time means something.

Yes, something happened, or something was discovered, at 10:30 p.m.

 

[JeannaT]

It's never been confirmed what the neighbor said. All we have is Deborah's statement that she drank with her. The neighbor has been interviewed by police but nothing has been released. The neighbor hasn't spoken to the media.

I've looked through the archives, and I can't find an article that references what I was saying, so I guess officially I should retract it. I'm going to say, I still believe I read it and there was the briefest discussion on this forum related to that - kind of a "well that answers that" kind of thing.

It may have been on another forum, though.

I've looked for about half an hour to find it on this forum, and I can't. It may have been in a written statement quoting Cyndy Short in MSM.

I do think that we will know eventually if the friend saw her, because there will be other articles referencing whether she did or did not see her.

 

[1&2&3]

I am just finding out that DB & JI are taking a break for a much needed rest?? What planet did these parents come from! Breathless and speechless describes me!

Their child is missing - gone, absent, disappeared, poof like vanished and they need a rest!?

The devil shall hath no mercy on them!! They know after their boys talk to LE tomorrow, they are cooked!! Sorry for my rant, their behavior is despicable!