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Responding to what you were responding to...

All "Jodi shot first" theorizing seems to be based on the gun jamming. Which is, of course, begging the question (circular reasoning, or assuming what one is trying to prove) of the form:

Q. If Jodi shot first, why didn't she shoot him again?

A. The gun jammed

Q. What makes you think the gun jammed?

A. Because she didn't shoot him again

Oh, okay. Problem is, when semi-auto guns "jam" what that usually means is a misfeed, not a "jam", which is usually cleared by pulling the slide back. So the tell-tale sign of a "jam" is a unfired round dropped to the floor.

Without the gun, we have no way of knowing.

I will say this though. It seems likely the .25 stolen from Grandpa was of the Colt template and they tend to be incredibly reliable firearms. In absence of knowing if the ammunition was improper, underpowered or corroded, assuming "the gun jammed" is not a reasonable assumption.

From the photos of the "gun cabinet" and the other weapons at JA's grandparents' home, it does not look like the guns were kept in pristine condition. How long ago was the missing .25 caliber gun cleaned, if ever? I know nothing about guns, but I imagine a gun that has not been cared for would tend to misfire or jam.
 
Gonna call it a night! Thank you WS'rs! Love to you! Thank you for an awesome community! (even when we disagree) It's still pretty cool!

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I hope Juan checks with Amazon to see if the book the Doc ordered for his best gal was sent to prison and not to him.

After his shenanigans with the raw test scores, I wouldn't doubt it if he got all gussied up and came 'a courtin' with a little gift.

I'm not joking.

What if Samuels used the book pages and sent a special code in a greeting card to tell Jodi how to answer, or something to do with the pedophile story? :what:

I know, far-fetched, but I just watched a supposed expert turn into a very biased witness.

I'm so relieved Juan Martinez, Prosecutor is so fantastic, and he's all over it. MOO
 
Dr Drew reporting on the middle finger JA situation in court today ..... Deliberate or an accident? What do you think?

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The problem is you are thinking about it, rather than actually experiencing someone stabbing you with a knife.

We get this a lot, people who just can't believe a healthy male could be stabbed to death by a girl (a GIRL!) simply because she's holding a knife and he's not.

Rather than think about it, here's a useful experiment which will require the following equipment:

1. A 1" paint brush

2. Paint

3. A 12 year old girl.

Have the 12 year old girl daub the paint brush with red paint. Try to really annoy the 12 year old girl. Then instruct the 12 year old girl to use the paint brush as if it were a knife.

Try to take the paint brush away from her.

What will happen is you will start to get paint on your hands. If you try to grab the paint brush, it will slid through your hands. Obviously it won't cut your hand down to the (very useful) tendons by trying to grab it, but you can note the theoretical damage. Once you get paint on your hands you are now no longer allowed to use your hands. Trying to grab the 12 year old girl in a bear hug will result in you getting paint on your chest, stomach, face etc. At which point you might think it's a good idea to start running so as to figure out how to stop getting paint on you. At which point you will have paint all over your back.

Keep in mind that an actual knife is harder to grab, hurts more and actually does damage.

Oh, and this isn't a facetious experiment. Having done a lot of survival and primitive skills stuff with people who have thought wrong about a lot of stuff, using dummy knives is the best way to teach people that what they think they will do isn't what's actually going to happen and disarming people with knives is the sort of thing that you see in movies which, like blowing up gas tanks, is a lot harder to do in reality.

As a general rule of thumb you should plan on the person having the weapon (yes, even a GIRL!) such as gun, knife, baseball bat, etc winning the conflict whereas the person without a weapon (even manly men) tends to lose.

Wet, naked, ambushed guys who have been socialized since they were zygotes not to hit girls (or anyone, for that matter) have a distinct disadvantage.


Excellent post!
 
Q: Would the output be different in fight or flight mode or in the act of premeditated crime? Yes. Why? Different if someone is prepared, less likely to go into Acute Stress reaction.
Q: You have compared Jodi to police and soldiers, is that fair since they kill as part of their job? The list of symptoms varies. PTSD is a psychiatric diagnosis. What happened that day (June 4, 2008) is not equivalent to soldier or police officer by the diagnosis is the same.
Q: Is there a diagnosis of selective amnesia? No.
Q: Would you continue to evaluate someone that is not being truthful? I would find another evaluator.
Q: Why didn’t you retest? I reviewed the test; her numerical score did not change. The intensity of the trauma was important, not the type of trauma.
Q: It seems that 25 to 30 hours is inadequate to diagnose PTSD. Was the time to short? No; typically it might take 6 to 12 hours. Going beyond 25 to 30 hours, the nature of the relationship changes.
Q: Is the MCMI utilized for other things? That is controversial. Some give it as condition of employment. I consider it an invasion of privacy [if used for that reason].
Q: When did you catch errors? Preparing for trial in November or December 2012. I brought corrected reports.
Q: Do you feel errors were [bad]? Didn’t change outcome of report. Caused slight confusion.
Q: Jodi remembers the beginning of the attack and the end of the attack. Does she remember actions after attack? No. She tells me she snapped back into reality at the Hoover Dam, when the chemicals in the brain dropped to normal, not when the attack ended.
Q: Does Acute Stress occur if someone plans to kill vs. something else? Depending when in danger.
Objection. Sustained.
Q: Do you often make mistakes? No.
Q: You seem to have several issues with omitting or forgetting information. Should you have a complete report? Yes.
Q: We didn’t you redo her PTSD test after the change in her story? The items on the test are a list of traumatic incidents. Can include childhood or more recent incidents. No change in numerical scoring. Difference is [only] in cause of Acute Stress.
Q: Do you consider yourself an impartial third party? Yes.
Q: Do you think it was appropriate to buy her the book? There are no guidelines to prevent it. There was no further discussion of the book. I have done this before. I am a compassionate person.
 
Seriously. Let's say you went to a patient's home to do an assessment. And the patient filled out an important checklist of facts and symptoms. If you got back to the office and 'misplaced' the patients original paperwork, what would happen if you recreated it from memory, and then used it to generate a report for future use in a court case? :what:

I also wonder if HIPPA applies to this sort of thing as well. If you misplace documents that should be part of someone's file, aren't you required to disclose that to them?
 
Here is what I do not understand...Why did anyone really think that a defense witness, even if he is a psychologist, is not going to be biased. Just the same if the prosecution had her evaluated, I would expect some bias also. It goes with the territory. I don't share the majority opinion that this witness is a complete dufus. SOme of what he said makes sense to me. I think it's possibly she truly does not remember the actual killing. I also don't think it matters. The evidence of premeditation is overwhelming. And I realize I am in the minority opion here, but I can not stand JM. I don't feel this is passion we are seeing..it's just over the top aggression. He has every right to go after wintnesses, challenge them ect. But he is insulting, demeaning and unprofessional. definelty suffers from a Napoleon complex!! If I were on the jury and if the evidence was not so overwelhming, he would have lost me weeks ago. I am surprised the judge has allowed such conduct.


By his own admission, he came gift in hand at their first meeting-- with this infamous book! He already quasi assessed her and cleared her of any guilt before even TALKING with her.

At least he could've gone through the motions and pretended he conducted an interview and came to some Defense-friendly conclusion!
But did he?
No.
He somehow was precognitive and came knowing... she lacked confidence even before interviewing her! How'd he know that?

Therefore, it appears to anyone whose paying attention that he already decided she was not guilty of this (premeditated) crime and had a diagnosis way before he even said hello!

This book is going to end up biting him when Juan gets through with him.
 
We could all Amazon wish list each other the Erogenous ......I mean, Erroneous Zones book! I think that would help. I like gifts.

The Good Doc would probably send it to us! Bet his wife is gonna yell at him all weekend "HOW could you let that little mouse Ariasize you?? WHAT were you thinking???" And on and on and on.... :what: :furious:
 
Dr Drew is on a roll tonight! Some of Travis's family will be on with him shortly. Body language specialist reporting on Jodi's headstand, stretching maneuvers while she knows she is being observed by LE- the ultimate defiance. Also describes what we have all seen, she feels such glee at outwitting anyone who tries to pin her down. Dr Drew says her feeling glee in those circumstances is a "devilish" characteristic.
 
i can't watch HLN during the trial so i watch it streaming online. HLN is so frustrating; 5 minutes of testimony, 5 minutes of commercials; that's why the trial is still going on at 8:45 am on HLN. It is also odd for me that I have come to respect Dr. Drew a little more than I did before this trial; i like his show the best--- esp. his "jurors" and his guests.
 
Dr Drew reporting on the middle finger JA situation in court today ..... Deliberate or an accident? What do you think?

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deliberate.

We seem to be seeing more subtle acting out incidents with her.
 
I still don't totally get what happened, but from what Samuels is saying:

He sent in the filled in raw test data to someone. --I suppose the Defense team.

Then he said he wanted to study it for the trial, but had no access to it [?] so he recreated it from memory? and drew up this new version....

And then he brings this new version to court with him and passes it off as the original????

I am confused about which day this happened. On day one of the cross, he said he didn't have it and it was on his desk at work---

so the next day, did he bring in this newly recreated one, that is off from the original?

JW kept going to sidebars and looked scared chitless, so we didn't have time to untangle this mess. But Juan was going in for the kill before time ran out.
 
Dr Drew reporting on the middle finger JA situation in court today ..... Deliberate or an accident? What do you think?

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Was she sending us "the Finger"? Or was she sending her expert witness Samuels "the Finger"?

It was without a doubt a deliberate "the Finger". :laughcry:
 
I also wonder if HIPPA applies to this sort of thing as well. If you misplace documents that should be part of someone's file, aren't you required to disclose that to them?

From what I understand defendants give up most disclosure rights when the info is to be used in trial.
 
GAH!!! I missed JM entirely!!!! (daughter's friend's mum hospitalized for soma overdose - not really familiar with it but tabling it for now).

I'm guessing things went well this afternoon... :great:

Okay - catch up time - I'll do my own homework :) ... but I wouldn't turn down a one-sentence synopsis (just sayin')
hee! :fence:
 
Straightening out your head is easier than you think.. You must read between the lines (truths hidden within her lies) of what Jodi Arias actually spouts out of one of her 3 holes (pun intended)...
JA is the Only one who said Travis posed for those photo's..
All the men in my circle do not believe Travis was posing at all.. Except maybe the last few pics where he is in 'sitting' position on the shower floor; very strange when a bathtub is right next to the shower..
My kin thinks Travis was being held either at gun point or JA was flashing the knife threatening to kill Herself (not him) as a way to keep Travis inside that shower laying in wait.. the camera comes into play somewhere in this but my kin can't get crazy minded enough to figure that one out yet ;)
JMO

Great insight! I think the suicide scenario makes a lot of sense. JA has said many times she was going to commit suicide; it is not a foreign concept to her. She would have the weapons readily available for her attack.
 
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