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I cannot stand it when they imply that this trial is entertainment. For most for us it is about justice. Entertainment? Please. I get headaches and heartache watching this trial. I cannot wait for it to be over. Circus my a...

I kind of had words w him last week in the elevator over this. He's in a business where they should WANT attention yet he chastises those who are giving this case attention because of his personal bias and burnout. Kiefer jumped the shark on his reporting skills with this article . Sad to say. Just don't trust what you read from him. It's just not factual!
 
Would this reporter have been happier if no one reported JA , who self admittedly tried to overdose, took a pill?

Lovemaking…? Really??? :facepalm:

I caught that too....sounds like they tried out for Harlequin and got rejected. There is no evidence of "hours of lovemaking" either (maybe they did or did not do the horizontal polka but if it did happen I highly doubt it was for hours) and they throw in the whole stupid dirty little secret thing again.....when we all know by now she wasn't. It isn't reporting facts-it sounds so much like someone trying to write a thriller/romance novel.

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When asked by a juror about why he would request her wearing Spiderman underwear when he said he didn't like the character, her response was that he was close to a little boy who was a big spiderman fan who dressed in the costume, seen the movies a bunch of times etc. Obviously done to further paint him as a pedophile.

I swear I was close to punching my TV screen when she said that.

I wonder if she was referring to the Hughes' son. That would be her big FU to them.
 
Does anyone have a categorical, analytical response to the concept that, ""if she planned and premeditated to kill Travis, then how is it that she knew she would have a window of time undetected in that not one, but TWO roommates would not be a problem, or interfere? What I am saying is that it would be easier to plan a murder of a single guy w/no roommates, but how would she be able to plan , and count on the fact that, the roommates would not be there during the murder , or even during the attempted clean-up of the murder? I am genuinely interessted to know your thoughts on this point.
Thanks.

Maybe that's why both the knife and the gun. Even premeditation is not set in stone. Get there undetected. Get in. Make the final decision. Nuff said.
 
No one takes one aspirin for a "migraine" and even so, strict rules on prisoners and meds of ANY kind. She took one small pill she had secreted in a folder on the desk. How this is seen as "ok" is mind boggling.

As a migraine sufferer, I must agree. Unless it's mixed with caffeine (like a BC or Stanback) and taken immediately when I feel it coming on, aspirin doesn't help at all. Neither does ibuprofen or Tylenol. I have to take half a prescription Imitrex.

It's hard for me to hide it when I have one, too. JA would show obvious symptoms. Rubbing her head, shielding her eyes from the light (which is HORRIBLE.) She's lying about her migraines just like she's lying about everything else.

If she's going to lie about it, she should at least FAKE IT better! :twocents:
 
No one takes one aspirin for a "migraine" and even so, strict rules on prisoners and meds of ANY kind. She took one small pill she had secreted in a folder on the desk. How this is seen as "ok" is mind boggling.

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I have had migraines for over 20 years and "aspirin" does nothing for a migraine. However, most people who say they have migraines only have a bad headache. Migraines can be debilitating and usually you cannot function at all.
 
Boodles...Samuels is almost done. JM will question him some more today.

But doesn't JW get to go back and try to clean up Big Gus's mess after JM is finished with him? I hope not! And there are more jury questions from what I understand. So I have a "feeling" we are going to see Big Gus all day :banghead:
 
so she can just give stuff to her mother? without it being okayed by jail personnel?

Probably are like...this psycho is getting the DP so we might as well give her some leeway passing notes to her family.

I bet the note was asking her family to research the jurors and let her know which guy she can try to latch onto with her eyes/actions. All she needs is one desperate soul to sway in her direction to avoid the DP.
 
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I have had migraines for over 20 years and "aspirin" does nothing for a migraine. However, most people who say they have migraines only have a bad headache. Migraines can be debilating and usually you cannot function at all.

Thank you! It's preposterous!!!
 
As a migraine sufferer, I must agree. Unless it's mixed with caffeine (like a BC or Stanback) and taken immediately when I feel it coming on, aspirin doesn't help at all. Neither does ibuprofen or Tylenol. I have to take half a prescription Imitrex.

It's hard for me to hide it when I have one, too. JA would show obvious symptoms. Rubbing her head, shielding her eyes from the light (which is HORRIBLE.) She's lying about her migraines just like she's lying about everything else.

If she's going to lie about it, she should at least FAKE IT better! :twocents:

ITA. I've had migraines since the 5th grade & have been hospitalized for some severe ones. I see a neurologist and have tried many many medications. Imitrex is wonderful--too bad they didn't have it during all the years I was suffering! I saw Jodi take the pill--while it COULD be an Imitrex, I seriously doubt it. Medication would be administered to her by a deputy--just like her lunch.

Also, when she took the pill I did not notice any signs of distress--a migraine is severe pain and nausea--there would be no drawing, writing, whispering, etc. I look horrible when I have a migraine--pale skin, dark circles--really sick.

I think that the "mitigation specialist" or whatever that inappropriate freakshow lady is (with her 2 ft earrings, low cut blouses, drinking from 2 beverages, chewing gum and rolling her eyes and smirking when Juan is up to bat) is the prime suspect if a pill was passed to Jodi.
 
Probably are like...this psycho is getting the DP so we might as well give her some leeway passing notes to her family.

I bet the note was asking her family to research the jurors and let her know which guy she can try to latch onto with her eyes/actions. All she needs is one desperate soul to sway in her direction to avoid the DP.

With the DP on the table, security should be heightened, not lessened. Sherriff joe doesn't play. This is all fishy.
 
I've seen what you're referring to. I too have thought some of those trickles looked like blood. But the autopsy report doesn't support that. The autopsy report doesn't show any such injury there, and nothing that would have caused bleeding in that area.

I do wonder what was happening in several lengthy gaps between photos--60 seconds, 116 seconds, 86 seconds--all before the final closeup of his face. And another 70 seconds between the closeup of his face and the final seated pose. Then 44 more seconds before the accidental ceiling photo where the camera is moving, according to Detectives Flores and Melendez.

But I doubt he was ever taking a shower at that time--with no soap, not touching his body, and with his arms far above his head. If those who believe he was actually showering would recreate each of his poses, just like in the video, in sequence, I think it would be clear almost immediately that something else was going on. Maybe he was voluntarily posing at the beginning, but one thing he wasn't doing, in my opinion, was taking a normal shower. There is nothing normal about that sequence of photos. Poor Travis. :(


One can have premeditation and make a plan even with a lot of unknowns in the mix. One can't know everything. I got a kick out of dbranam's idea: :D:blushing:

But she clearly did think about the roommates. That's probably why she arrived around 4 in the morning, when both roommates would be safely asleep. Because the minute they saw and were able to ID her, she's toast if she tries to murder Travis.

Most young working people don't get home until around 6 pm. But for her to wait so late in the afternoon to kill him, she had to be fairly sure they wouldn't be returning until 6 pm or later. Roommate Enrique Cortez was taking the bus to save money and gas, and he believes he arrived home even later than 6 pm.

Most criminals slip up. Jodi's slip-ups included:

1. She kept the cash receipt from Walmart showing she bought a 3rd gas can. Busted!
2. She filled up the gas cans with her credit card. Separate purchases one right after the other for more gas than her car could hold Busted!
3. She didn't cover her hair tightly and the hair she left on the floor of the hallway had the root bulb attached, showing it hadn't been there long. Busted!
4. She slit his throat, which caused so much blood to gush her hand slipped on the bloody knife and cut the inside of her fingers, so that
5. when she lost her balance (from running into the camera on the floor) she left a handprint consisting of a mixture of her blood and Travis' blood. Busted!
6. She left the camera AND the memory stick behind. Busted!

Detective Flores told her he's never had a case with so much evidence. So much. That's he's convicted people with less evidence.

There is also a ton of circumstantial evidence, from
- the rental car location 100 miles away to
- insisting on an inconspicuous color car
- turning off her phone for something like 20 hours to
- showing up 24 hours late to Ryan's house to
- dying her hair brown to
- using a gun of the same general description as reported stolen just days earlier from her residence
- Travis' friends fingered Jodi in the 911 call as the likely murderer

And on and on. If this jury doesn't convict her of felony murder, I'll lose faith in the justice sys...oops, too late, lost that quite a while ago.

However, KatieCoolady has faith that THIS jury will come to the right verdict. :) :jail:


Sorry, but as far as the "shower" pics go...you CAN see the shower running and CAN see H2O, either "glistening" or as a shadow. I really don't believe there's anything nefarious during his shower. Other than wacko JA having some sort of bizarre preoccupation with his "neck" area in a lot of the shots.
His arms in the "up" position" are resting on the shower wall....notice his right hand and the "white" area UNDER it. The shadow of his arm is also evident.
In the one with his back to the camera, the "marks" seeming to be on his back, is actually H2O from the shower and it's shadow.
I enjoy standing under the hot H2O on my back with my hands braced against the shower wall. IMO, I DO believe Travis wasn't aware she was there all the time...there's a pic where he's turned toward her with his mouth open, but not like the other one with the H2O going in it. Looks more like he's surprised, IMO.
I don't know what JA was doing during the time breaks, but maybe Travis was using the soap, etc. to wash during that time.

IMO, everything else you're saying is dead on, but I DO believe the shower pics have been analyzed and re-analyzed both on here and by the prosecution.


ETA: Please don't take this post to be snarky or rude or confrontational, I don't mean it that way in any way, at all.
 
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There are strict rules on this! And ESP since we had a defendant suicide right in the courtroom, on camera last year w a cyanide capsule...this is disturbing , to me.

did anyone report it? (yes that is concerning!!!)
 
Ps not to be obsessing but this is the first I've heard about a birthday card JA passed to her mom and frankly find that suspicious. I was told in court from sources a lot closer that it was "papers" passed to Jodi's mom. Jodi almost never acknowledges her mother in any form in the courtroom so I gotta call BS on the birthday card issue but Kiefer reports it as fact. I'm following up on this today because if he's trying to put a minimizing positive spin on Jodi I got serious problems with that.

How about you sitting behind me last week talking out loud to another reporter about how "cute " you think Jennifer Wilmott is? Ya done gone and ticked me off now Son! ;). (Ice always wanted to use that "son" thing in a sentence).

You go girl! We've got your back. Love ya katiecoolady.

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No one takes one aspirin for a "migraine" and even so, strict rules on prisoners and meds of ANY kind. She took one small pill she had secreted in a folder on the desk. How this is seen as "ok" is mind boggling.

I totally agree! Any medication should be given by jail personnel. As to what she slipped her mom: I think it was more art for eBay.
 
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I have had migraines for over 20 years and "aspirin" does nothing for a migraine. However, most people who say they have migraines only have a bad headache. Migraines can be debilitating and usually you cannot function at all.

welcome cricket49! :thewave:
 
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