Lowe's Pulls Ads From American Muslim Time Slot

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Ziggy, the original link quoted Lowe's as saying it pulled the ads in response to complaints that the show did not portray Muslims in a sufficiently negative light. So while Lowe's is acting within its legal rights, the corporation is essentially siding with religious bigots.

Unless and until somebody can show that the original citation was in error, trying to dress up the issue as Lowe's expressing its freedom of religion or bowing to the law of supply and demand are simply disingenuous.

Sorry Nova I disagree. If they believed that the show was misrepresenting or propagandizing or sanitizing a religious belief that they do not support, it is their right to pull their advertising. There are significant religious differences. We aren't going to change a Muslim into a Christian any more than we will vice versa... Our country's government should treat them both equal but we do not require different religions to "accept" others as equal to their own.

I dare you to call Muslims religious bigots...the ones who would like to see to it that gays are executed, the ones who carve Stars of David into human flesh - you would call them radicals but aren't they also bigoted by your definition?

 

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PS I just checked and the show is on Hulu. Think I will watch.

The hairs stand up on the back of my neck when we threaten others' freedom to believe by calling them bigots or throwing the term racist around. If I don't agree with another's religion and want to boycott something having to do with it (I don't and never have BTW) it's nun yo bizness, it's my right. There is no requirement that we "like" (to use an overused Facebook term) everything or everyone or their beliefs. We are free to dislike and to not support, we are not free to harm or cause a deprivation of other's fundamental rights. Big difference. Great, now I have to shop at Lowes. Last time I was there the service sucked!

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Christmas is the most beautiful, special time of the year in our house. It renews our spirits and reminds us of the most important things.

Our town has a Nativity in front of City Hall.

I don't buy anything that says "Happy Holidays". I make sure our cards and paper say MERRY CHRISTMAS.
I shop at stores that do the same.
I say the words. Im not ashamed or afraid I will offend anyone when I tell them Merry Christmas. Because I believe. If they don't, so be it.

A nativity downtown or a Merry Christmas greeting will not hurt a soul. If you don't like it, ignore it!

BBM Not attacking your post!!! I do often use the phrase Happy Holidays for several reasons, one being thatto me,the Holidays is the week(s) leading up to and including Christmas Day fall under that category to me, also included in that is New Year's Eve and New Years Day. It really has little for me to do with the one day as the 2 to 3 week "season" which is also why I am not offended if someone says Season's Greetings. JMHO and no offense meant or taken.

 

[angelmom]

It sounds like Lowe's is the one with the agenda. I will be checking out the show AND shopping at Home Depot.

I would just like to point out that Home Depot refused to advertise on the show too.

http://www.nonprofitquarterly.org/i...-show&catid=155:nonprofit-newswire&Itemid=986

I guess we need to go to Ace.

 

[believe09]

Sure it is. There's a double standard and we all know it. If you're liberal, you get to form bigoted groups and boycott whomever for whatever.

Respectfully snipped-I just want to make sure I am clear here-are you saying that conservatives do not have any bigoted groups that they have formed? Only liberals do? :floorlaugh:

 

[believe09]

My Grandmother had a sitter that was Jehovah's Witness. We loved her.

But, we did have to tell her at one point to not push her beliefs during the day. My Grandmother loved to listen to Southern Gospel CD's and read her bible often.
Mrs. P would sometimes try to "preach" her beliefs.

It kind of worried us a bit because my Grandmother had a tad bit of dementia. We just didn't want her to get confused.

We also gave Mrs. P a bonus for Christmas.

Some of my best friends are Jehovah's Witnesses. Just sayin.

 

[Gardenlady]

GMAB Nova.
I'd rather keep Christ in Christmas.

If the recipient doesn't like the card, they are welcome to throw it away.

I don't know anybody who will say a Christmas card ruined their "holiday".

As a bad Catholic, I like to tweak my Protestant brethren who use the "Keep Christ in Christmas!" slogan by asking in return, Yes, sure, thats all very well, but why aren't you keeping the MASS in ChristMASS?

So you see, there are many ways to keep ChristMASS. You might think its cute, or in your face, to shout "Merry Christmas!" or "keep Christ in Christmas!" to people who might not celebrate the holy day, or celebrate it to your liking, or in a way that YOU see as fitting. But remember that there might be others who think YOUR celebration of the holy day isn't quite what it should be either.

And so then, where do you stop?

I say, better to be cordial to everyone. If I know someone's Jewish, I wish them appropriately. If I know someone is Muslim, offer them good wishes for Eid. If I come across a Hindu, I will wish them cheers at Diwali. If i know or have doubts that someone isnt a believer at all, i wish them a happy holiday or New Year. It takes nothing away from my own beliefs (which wax and wane!), and brings infinite good will in return. Ive also never met someone who was offended by a mistaken "Merry Christmas". I think a lot of the "offense" is manufactured by people who would like to see us all, of whatever group, remain forever divided.

I don't think Jesus would like to hear the phrase "Merry Christmas!" used as a weapon, either.

Signed,

A liberal, crunchy, peace 'n social justice Catholic

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Some of my best friends are Jehovah's Witnesses. Just sayin.

As I said, we loved her. She was great. She showed much love to my Grandmother.

We just didn't want her confusing our Grandmother who was a Christian from birth to death. At the end, she got confused a lot.

We miss Mrs. Paula.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

As a bad Catholic, I like to tweak my Protestant brethren who use the "Keep Christ in Christmas!" slogan by asking in return, Yes, sure, thats all very well, but why aren't you keeping the MASS in ChristMASS?

So you see, there are many ways to keep ChristMASS. You might think its cute, or in your face, to shout "Merry Christmas!" or "keep Christ in Christmas!" to people who might not celebrate the holy day, or celebrate it to your liking, or in a way that YOU see as fitting. But remember that there might be others who think YOUR celebration of the holy day isn't quite what it should be either.

And so then, where do you stop?

I say, better to be cordial to everyone. If I know someone's Jewish, I wish them appropriately. If I know someone is Muslim, offer them good wishes for Eid. If I come across a Hindu, I will wish them cheers at Diwali. If i know or have doubts that someone isnt a believer at all, i wish them a happy holiday or New Year. It takes nothing away from my own beliefs (which wax and wane!), and brings infinite good will in return. Ive also never met someone who was offended by a mistaken "Merry Christmas". I think a lot of the "offense" is manufactured by people who would like to see us all, of whatever group, remain forever divided.

I don't think Jesus would like to hear the phrase "Merry Christmas!" used as a weapon, either.

Signed,

A liberal, crunchy, peace 'n social justice Catholic

Cute? In your face? Weapon?

I've never used the words or implied them in that way.

But as a Christian, I say Merry Christmas. I keep Christ in Christmas and send cards that do also.

Nothing cute, in your face, or combative about that. I'm staying true to my beliefs.

 

[Gardenlady]

But it becomes a weapon when said and done deliberately,without regard as to what holiday other people around you might celebrate. It's then a weapon, because it is done only to provoke, or prove a point.

And remember, Kimberly, keep MASS in ChristMASS!

When I say that to you... Knowing you might not celebrate mass, recognize mass as something Christian, or even know what a Mass IS... do you not see how it is done to provoke? It does nothing for you, but makes a point for ME. Same as when Christians run around making a point of saying how they keep christ in Christmas, or refuse to say "happy holidays". It does nothing for others (as we hope to be doing this season, right?), but makes the person doing it feel self righteous and satisfied. :twocents:

 

[kgeaux]

But it becomes a weapon when said and done deliberately,without regard as to what holiday other people around you might celebrate. It's then a weapon, because it is done only to provoke, or prove a point.

And remember, Kimberly, keep MASS in ChristMASS!

When I say that to you... Knowing you might not celebrate mass, recognize mass as something Christian, or even know what a Mass IS... do you not see how it is done to provoke? It does nothing for you, but makes a point for ME. Same as when Christians run around making a point of saying how they keep christ in Christmas, or refuse to say "happy holidays". It does nothing for others (as we hope to be doing this season, right?), but makes the person doing it feel self righteous and satisfied. :twocents:

Good discussion.....I think!!:blushing:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But it becomes a weapon when said and done deliberately,without regard as to what holiday other people around you might celebrate. It's then a weapon, because it is done only to provoke, or prove a point.

And remember, Kimberly, keep MASS in ChristMASS!

When I say that to you... Knowing you might not celebrate mass, recognize mass as something Christian, or even know what a Mass IS... do you not see how it is done to provoke? It does nothing for you, but makes a point for ME. Same as when Christians run around making a point of saying how they keep christ in Christmas, or refuse to say "happy holidays". It does nothing for others (as we hope to be doing this season, right?), but makes the person doing it feel self righteous and satisfied. :twocents:

You are totally missing or twisting all my points.

I've never used it as a weapon. I've never used it to provoke or prove a point.

Your ChristMASS thing is not offending me in the least.

I do NOTHING to make myself feel righteous or satisfied.

As a Christian, I say Merry Christmas!
I am keeping my faith. It's a personal thing.

 

[Gardenlady]

Earlier you wrote:

I don't buy anything that says "Happy Holidays". I make sure our cards and paper say MERRY CHRISTMAS.
I shop at stores that do the same.
I say the words. Im not ashamed or afraid I will offend anyone when I tell them Merry Christmas. Because I believe. If they don't, so be it.

You don't see how this can come across as being deliberately provocative? Or how it seems you are making the good wishes about YOU, rather than genuine good wishes for the other person, who might not share the same holy day?

I don't think, based on your words here, that I'm twisting what you mean at all.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Earlier you wrote:



You don't see how this can come across as being deliberately provocative? Or how it seems you are making the good wishes about YOU, rather than genuine good wishes for the other person, who might not share the same holy day?

I don't think, based on your words here, that I'm twisting what you mean at all.

If people are offended by the words "Merry Christmas" they have very thin skin.

I don't worry myself with offending others by using the words. I would not be offended if someone told me happy Hanukkah. I don't celebrate it, but it wouldn't "offend" me and I certainly would not think it was being used as a weapon.

I believe in Christ. I say the word
Christmas.

I chose to spend my hard earned money on cards that use the word Christmas.

Why is that offensive?

IMO those who take that as offensive have bigger issues than the words I use.

JMO

 

[daisy7]

How did this thread become about whether or not to say Merry Christmas??

 

[Kimberlyd125]

By discussing religious tolerance/intolerance.

 

[believe09]

Thanks Daisy!

 

[believe09]

This thread is about Lowes pulling their advertising from American Muslim, iirc.

 

[Spoiler]

They were informed that Mohamed had a 9 year old wife whom he considered his favorite. They needed to draw the line and they did. It's THEIR money. A little research might help you guys see things in the light of day.

 

[Fairy1]

I wonder what Lowe's would do if the same bigoted "conservative" groups pressured them to cease advertising on other programs that are watched by or supportive of any other religious groups that differ from their own.

I also wonder what other retailers advertise on this show and if they, too, have been pressured to stop advertising.

And, finally, I wonder how we have gotten so backwards, again.

And just so Lowe's and their buddies know, I bought my CHRISTMAS tree at Home Depot.