MA MA - Giovanni Colon-Gonzalez, 5, Lynn, 15 Aug 2008

[Salem]

I couldn't find him on myspace.

I couldn't either lizzybeth. Did you check facebook? I have never been to facebook (not much good at myspace either, but I'm learning). Thanks for checking. I'm not sure what it would tell us, but I thought it might be worth a look.

Salem

 

[fran]

I've been watching this case all week. It gets more serious as the days pass. This poor mother is so distraught. What kind of a person is this man anyway?


fran


Police find bloody mop at father's home

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Essex County District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett told The Daily Item of Lynn on Friday night that finding blood "is always a concern," but it's not yet known whose blood is on the mop.

He said a door-to-door search for Giovanni Gonzalez, including roadblocks, is planned this weekend.

Friday investigators reportedly sought a warrant for a followup search of the home after the mop tested positive for blood. An affidavit also said the father had "an open cut and a bandaged finger," which he would not explain.

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http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO85785/

 

[capoly]

Still nothing new. Wish I could bail Ernesto out just so as to whoop his arse.

 

[believe09]

Still nothing new. Wish I could bail Ernesto out just so as to whoop his arse.

Maybe we can sneak on down to the jail and get it out of him....I don't know if he will crack either. Unless he really wants to hurt his ex. I wonder what it was about this child?

 

[AC]

Why hasn't this been in the main stream news.....this is the first I've heard of this poor child! Heck, maybe I missed it!

 

[capoly]

Maybe we can sneak on down to the jail and get it out of him....I don't know if he will crack either. Unless he really wants to hurt his ex. I wonder what it was about this child?

It just doesn't read like he had that much emotionally invested in Giovanni's mother to want to hurt her. You notice that there was little difference in his facial/eye expression when comparing his mug shot with the photo of him with Giovanni on his lap? I think drug use is a big factor with this case and possibly mental illness of some form.

 

[Salem]

I think I agree Capoly about the drugs and mental issues.

Things are looking bad for little Giovanni. Its hard to understand. I wish we could get some kind of info on him. Especially about his other kids that were alluded to and maybe something on an ex-wife or girlfriend. Something that would help us figure out where this guy's head was/is? Anything. I keep telling myself that with the kids he does not appear to be a monster, but then we keep getting news that indicates maybe he was a monster to this child. I so so so hope not.

Salem

 

[Salem]

I couldn't find him on myspace.

lizzybeth - did you try the mom? Maybe we can get links from her "friends." I just thought of this (I know, I know, a little slow):crazy:. I don't have time now but will give it a shot when I get home this evening.

Salem

 

[Tawni'sKelly]

http://multimedia.boston.com/pub/m/20726346/fbi_joins_search_for_missing_lynn_boy.htm?pageid=11

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FBI joins search for missing Lynn boy
21 Aug 2008 | (NECN) - The search has intensified for a 5-year-old boy who disappeared while allegedly visiting his father in Lynn, Massachusetts The FBI has now been called in to help look for Giovanni Gonzalez and state police are using helicopters to scou...
This transcript was automatically generated with speech-to-text technology and may not be 100% accurate.

[play from 0:00]" The search intensifies for a five year old boy who disappeared while visiting his father and Lynn Massachusetts. The FBI has now been called in to help look for -- Gonzales and state police are using helicopters to scour the city for clues according to the -- daily -- newspaper the district attorney has confirmed neighbors' suspicions that -- wants with his father Saturday afternoon before his mother reported him missing on Sunday. Our next to Gonzales is being held on a child endangerment charge but so far he is refusing to cooperate with police. It did. It was okay."

[play from 0:39]" designed anything I can say is for divining leniency in man's just. You know trying to be calm. And did I miss you we all miss you honey. Again if you have seen Geovany or know anything about his whereabouts were asked to call -- police."

 

[janiekay]

I think I agree Capoly about the drugs and mental issues.

Things are looking bad for little Giovanni. ... but then we keep getting news that indicates maybe he was a monster to this child. I so so so hope not.

Salem

Salem, You are so right!!!! I also hope this is not the case. It is such a travesty for our children, that the courts side with BIOLOGY as a reason for interaction, access, and rights, but so many times, PSYCHOLOGY tells us we should not trust these people with any child, including their own.

I also agree with okGrace, there needs to be a way of checking on parents before they give birth. Drug testing should be a MUST, especially with prior convictions. I'm sorry, but you can't operate a motor vehicle with drugs or alchohol in your system, and you shouldn't be allowed to raise children with unprescribed drugs or alcohol abuse involved. People who abuse alcohol and/or drugs just do not have the capacity to make the proper decisions with a child.

I know I'm really starting to sound like "big brother watching" but there needs to be some kind of safeguard for the helpless children out there. I say that you need a licsense to drive a motorcycle, boat, car or truck. You should need at least a licsense and a parenting course before you have a baby. If you don't agree to take the class and test, you loose your rights to become a parent. Men can't see their children, and women must give them up for adoption. I AM JUST SICK OF ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO CARE SO LITTLE FOR A LIFE THAT THEY CAN JUST DISREGUARD IT IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE!!!!!

I just had to get that off my chest!!! Can you tell that I worked with abused and neglected kids in my past!:furious:

 

[Tawni'sKelly]

Last modified: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:35 PM EDT

Police stops new tactic in Giovanni search

By Dan O’Brien /The Daily Item

LYNN - A spokeswoman for the district attorney said local and state police used roadblocks in downtown Lynn on Saturday in hopes to jog the memories of non-Lynn residents who may have seen 5-year-old Giovanni Gonzalez a week earlier.

Neighbors of the boy’s father, Ernesto Gonzalez, 36, of 2 Brightwood Terrace, were the last people to see the boy on the afternoon of Saturday, Aug. 16 — nine days ago.

Even though authorities have distributed fliers with pictures of the missing child, police hoped to speak with anyone who saw Giovanni or his father last weekend.

“We were hoping to jog someone’s memory… someone who doesn’t necessarily live in that neighborhood,” said Karen Dawley, spokeswoman for Essex County District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett.

On Friday, the Item reported that authorities discovered a bloody mop inside Gonzalez’ apartment, as well as a bottle with blood on it.

“Finding blood like we did is always a concern but at this point we do not know whose blood it is,” Blodgett said Friday. “We will not know whose blood it is until the scientific results come back.”

Gonzalez had a laceration to his left hand that he refused to explain when police arrested him for child endangerment one week ago.

The boy’s mother, Daisy Colon, 33, of East Boston, dropped off her son with Gonzalez on Friday, Aug. 15 for a weekend visit. She tried to retrieve Giovanni on Sunday, Aug. 17, but Gonzalez never answered the door.

After police eventually busted through the door, Gonzalez was found inside and refused to say where his son was. Since then, an all-out search has taken authorities from Lynn to Puerto Rico while Gonzalez refuses to cooperate. He is being held on $500,000 cash bail.

 

[capoly]

Family, friends pray for child's return

Boyd, a member of the tenants association, said Colon and her family held a vigil at their home Friday night. He said the close-knit neighborhood is praying for Giovanni's safe return to Colon, whom he called a caring and conscientious mother.

"She's a good parent, I'll tell you that," Boyd said. "I'd swear on a stack of bibles to that."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/08/25/family_friends_pray_for_childs_return/

 

[fran]

Police stops new tactic in Giovanni search

By Dan O’Brien /The Daily Item

LYNN - A spokeswoman for the district attorney said local and state police used roadblocks in downtown Lynn on Saturday in hopes to jog the memories of non-Lynn residents who may have seen 5-year-old Giovanni Gonzalez a week earlier.

Neighbors of the boy’s father, Ernesto Gonzalez, 36, of 2 Brightwood Terrace, were the last people to see the boy on the afternoon of Saturday, Aug. 16 — nine days ago.

<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>


http://www.itemlive.com/articles/2008/08/25/news/news02.txt

 

[lizzybeth]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=384779341

Salem,

Here's Mom's myspace. It's private.

 

[Salem]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=384779341

Salem,

Here's Mom's myspace. It's private.

Thank you lizzy - I haven't had time to go back and look, I've been busy reading threads :crazy:

I guess it doesn't help much does it.

I wish they would find this child!

Salem

 

[colomom]

Salem, You are so right!!!! I also hope this is not the case. It is such a travesty for our children, that the courts side with BIOLOGY as a reason for interaction, access, and rights, but so many times, PSYCHOLOGY tells us we should not trust these people with any child, including their own.

I also agree with okGrace, there needs to be a way of checking on parents before they give birth. Drug testing should be a MUST, especially with prior convictions. I'm sorry, but you can't operate a motor vehicle with drugs or alchohol in your system, and you shouldn't be allowed to raise children with unprescribed drugs or alcohol abuse involved. People who abuse alcohol and/or drugs just do not have the capacity to make the proper decisions with a child.

I know I'm really starting to sound like "big brother watching" but there needs to be some kind of safeguard for the helpless children out there. I say that you need a licsense to drive a motorcycle, boat, car or truck. You should need at least a licsense and a parenting course before you have a baby. If you don't agree to take the class and test, you loose your rights to become a parent. Men can't see their children, and women must give them up for adoption. I AM JUST SICK OF ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO CARE SO LITTLE FOR A LIFE THAT THEY CAN JUST DISREGUARD IT IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE!!!!!

I just had to get that off my chest!!! Can you tell that I worked with abused and neglected kids in my past!:furious:

Hello All...just had to jump in on this one...

What is being suggested here is confusing to me.

janiekay is saying that there needs to be a way to check parents before they give birth but, does that mean before they get pregnant?

What would be the result of a positive drug test on a pregnant woman? Obviously we can't have court-ordered abortions, that doesn't make sense. Would it mean that the mother should then be jailed until she gives birth? And then what? Would the child be taken away then and placed into an already messed up, overcrowded, dysfunctional foster care system? Or placed up for adoption? There are already many abused, abandoned or unwanted children waiting for good homes. Face it, most people do not want to take on a child who has been abused, neglected or abandoned or is the offspring of a person who abuses drugs or alcohol. Not even an infant that may have been exposed to god knows what in utero. There are many stories about genetic pre-dispositions to violence or drug abuse so people are afraid to take on that challenge, especially if they already have children of their own. Imagine taking away all the children born to unlicensed parents and placing them up for adoption. Where would they live? Who would pay for their medical care, clothing, food, etc?

Licenses or parenting courses are a good idea but good luck getting better than 50% participation. People will have sex and get pregnant without the license, just like some people drive without a license. In fact, it is the person who would refuse to get the license or take the course who would probably be more likely to make a poor parent. There is no way you can take away a person's "right to have a child". Mandatory sterilization is also impossible, it will never happen. So, how would you prevent the un-licensed person from becoming pregnant? No matter what we would like to see, procreation is the human being's strongest instinct. Not to mention, the way we glorify sex in our country especially, people will do it "just for fun".

The way that I see it is that as a society we would need to be willing to adopt these kids or we would have to be willing to pay massive taxes to house and raise them. Also we would have to have mandatory sterilization for unfit or unlicensed people of child-bearing age. Can you imagine the lawsuits? Can you imagine the backlash of parents of teenagers sterilized because they got busted smoking pot or getting drunk?

It will never happen.

They only way child abuse and neglect will stop is when parents value their children above all else. All parents would have to love and nurture and care for their children. The cycle would have to be broken and it would have to be broken because people want to break it.

It would cost us all tons of our hard earned money in taxes but the only way I see this happening is by making it lucrative to be a good parent. Pay people to take the classes and get the licenses. Reward people for good parenting. Society would have to shun people who refuse to cooperate. It would take many generations but eventually the numbers would change.

Of course, there will always be those who are mentally ill or who refuse to comply but there would be far fewer cases than what we see today.

Think it is possible??

 

[capoly]

Teams Scour Cemetery In Missing Boy Search
Giovanni Gonzalez Missing For Week


Lynn and state police used K-9 cadaver dogs in their search of Pine Grove Cemetery for Giovanni Gonzalez.


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/17289753/detail.html


My prayers are with you, Giovanni, so wish there was more I could do.

 

[colomom]

Teams Scour Cemetery In Missing Boy Search
Giovanni Gonzalez Missing For Week


Lynn and state police used K-9 cadaver dogs in their search of Pine Grove Cemetery for Giovanni Gonzalez.


http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/17289753/detail.html


My prayers are with you, Giovanni, so wish there was more I could do.

OK...this is weird. How do you use cadaver dogs in a cemetery??

 

[capoly]

OK...this is weird. How do you use cadaver dogs in a cemetery??

Okay- forgive me for LOLing with such a serious matter but the visual did make me laugh.

Perhaps the dogs are searching for Giovanni's scent? Can a cadaver dog also be trained to be person-scent specific? How long does it take for one's specific odor to dissipate? I do not know.

 

[Salem]

I don't think the cadaver dogs do "person specific" scenting. I think it is odd that they are in the cemetary. Maybe it is the search dogs in the cemetary and the cadaver dogs in the surrounding area?

Salem