MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #10

[HarmonyE.]

i took the comment as facetious?

Doesn't sound that way.

 

[keek]

i took the comment as facetious?

Trooper Paul's explanation was just insane, as I thought how can he keep a straight face with his description. His imagination was wild.

 

[TIGER0822]

So skipping the fact that a little cocktail glass can't dent a vehicle without someone actually smashing it intentionally and very hard into the car, you're saying both the upper and lower portions of his arm were cut up by the taillight? How does that work?

How would just his arm cause a taillight to fracture into 45 pieces? Or at all, for that matter? Those things are hard as a *advertiser censored*. Try punching one.

If only his arm was hit, not only would his shoe not have been knocked off, he'd have walked away with maybe a bruise or two at most. He wouldn't have flown anywhere, never mind 30 feet.

The head injury was very serious and incapacitating. Your interpretation ignores this. If fact, this entire scenario is complete fanciful.

DBM

 

[TristanP]

Yeah my bad. I should have known he was going to fumble the opportunity.

I'm giving this day to the Defense..AGAIN. The accident "specialist" was a HUUUUGE loss. The rest of the day was spent defending Jen Mcabe..Again! Oh and there were some texts were shown by another trooper of a couple having a pretty mild argument that barely qualifies as an argument let alone a rage killing. Another waste of time!

Have there been any days for the CW?!

 

[TIGER0822]

Trooper Paul's explanation was just insane, as I thought how can he keep a straight face with his description. His imagination was wild.

Fine line between wild explanations and perjury. I think he may have crossed it. MOO. Bias in the finding of facts, bias in omission of of facts, confirmation bias and material misstatements, which he knew or should have known were false. MOO. The Prosecutor could get into a world of trouble if they lose this case, and it is appealed. MOO.

 

[keek]

Fine line between wild explanations and perjury. I think he may have crossed it. MOO. Bias in the finding of facts, bias in omission of of facts, confirmation bias and material misstatements, which he knew or should have known were false. MOO. The Prosecutor could get into a world of trouble if they lose this case, and it is appealed. MOO.

Big time.

 

[TIGER0822]

Doesn't sound that way.

Yes it was, in that I inserted quotes from Trooper Paul's infomation. I think Alan Jackson said it better.

 

[TIGER0822]

maybe the other doc also has the expertise to tell us that the Cellebrite data is wrong and can spend an hour testifying that Jen McCabe didn't search "hos long to die in cold" at 2:27AM?

dbm.

 

[TristanP]

The highly anticipated ME must be shaking in her boots right now. The CW's case hinges on her testimony. She undoubtedly has seen the defense at work with other CW witnesses. She knows what's coming . I wonder if she has seen the replay of today's witness on the stand, whispering quietly to himself in the mic, "Kill me". I did. Not good. Not good at all.
MOO

So she said cause of death was undetermined, but also said the arm wounds weren’t consistent with dog bites, and other injuries weren’t consistent with a fight? I was really hoping she’d shed some light on the case but I think she won’t add anything at this point.

 

[TIGER0822]

i took the comment as facetious?

Yes it was. I inserted a lot of Trooper Paul's wild claims into this. Maybe he was being facetious too.

 

[TIGER0822]

DBM

 

[LvsAMystry]

Anyone watching this live ... did you see/hear when the witness whispered "KILL ME"?

I did haha I was like did he just say what I think he said?

 

[TristanP]

I never said that.

But having evidence that the defendant in a murder case had voiced anger with the victim doesn't help in their defense. JMO.

It also doesn’t hurt it, when more recent info was available. They appeared affectionate and not angry with each other according to what everyone with them said. That may trump a spat earlier in the day for some.

 

[TIGER0822]

It also doesn’t hurt it, when more recent info was available. They appeared affectionate and not angry with each other according to what everyone with them said. That may trump a spat earlier in the day for some.

Compare their texts / messages with Proctor's texts.

 

[LvsAMystry]

To me, this kind of comes across like she felt like he was ignoring her and she was saying something to try to get him to respond. JMO

This was exactly my thought too! She kept saying ok leaving, kids are alone, trying desperately to get a response. She in no way knew she’d hit him if she did. Imo

 

[RANCH]

It also doesn’t hurt it, when more recent info was available. They appeared affectionate and not angry with each other according to what everyone with them said. That may trump a spat earlier in the day for some.

When you look at this case in it's entirety the angry text messages probably wont sway the jury much if at all. JMO.

 

[TristanP]

So skipping the fact that a little cocktail glass can't dent a vehicle without someone actually smashing it intentionally and very hard into the car, you're saying both the upper and lower portions of his arm were cut up by the taillight? How does that work?

How would just his arm cause a taillight to fracture into 45 pieces? Or at all, for that matter? Those things are hard as a *advertiser censored*. Try punching one.

If only his arm was hit, not only would his shoe not have been knocked off, he'd have walked away with maybe a bruise or two at most. He wouldn't have flown anywhere, never mind 30 feet.

The head injury was very serious and incapacitating. Your interpretation ignores this. If fact, this entire scenario is completely fanciful.

The comment was a sarcastic, exaggerated (but not by much) version of what Trooper Paul said last week. He said John was hit in the right arm by the taillight, causing it to break, and that caused him to spin around as he flew through the air and landed on his back on the ground, causing the head injury.

Then today when Jackson was questioning him, asking how the broken glass got where he was and not knocked out of his hand when he was hit by a car going 24 mph in reverse, Paul said “I don’t know, I wasn’t there.”

Yep. This is real life and these things were said under oath.

 

[Recidivist]

I would say that the prosecution has done of very poor job and LE has done an even worse job in it's investigation.

But I stand by my belief that evidence of a defendant voicing anger toward the victim doesn't help the defendant in any way. JMO.

I think she sounded more hurt than angry. She was begging him to discuss their issues.

I also think both of them drinking in excess was detrimental to the relationship.

 

[keek]

I think she sounded more hurt than angry. She was begging him to discuss their issues.

I also think both of them drinking in excess was detrimental to the relationship.

Painful to see and hear.

 

[TIGER0822]

I think she sounded more hurt than angry. She was begging him to discuss their issues.

I also think both of them drinking in excess was detrimental to the relationship.

I think compared with what Proctor wrote, the jury will not give any weight to the messages between KR and JO. MOO