MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #5

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I’m not sure, it’s possible, but my thoughts is it could have been at the police chiefs house (former chief now) Berkowitz, who at trial has been indicated as a very close friend of Higgins
A quick search doesn't turn up any substance abuse rehabilitation facilities in Sharon, MA. There are a couple of physical rehab facilities. The closest substance abuse facility is in Stoughton.

EDITED - another poster had the same idea to check. Seems there's a behavioral facility in Sharon. That's a distinct possibility. I stand corrected. Apologies.
 
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Dr. Rice says there is no note in his medical report that says JO was or could have been hit by vehicle as 1st responders have testified they heard Read say.
Dr. Rice says he may not have documented all the injuries on JO including to his torso/legs because he was focused on resuscitation efforts.


 
Quick copy over of some of my handwritten notes from the testimony of 2 minor children

MINOR 1 (M1) teen boy

-M1 says he witnessed “lots of disagreements and arguments”
-M1 on KR “she was nice sometimes, most of the time”
-M1: ADA Lally asks how KR would act if she was upset, M1 “being ignored, not looking at you”
-M1 says JO and KR argued on FL trip and Aruba trip
-M1 says on the morning of 1/23 when KR came to JO’s house “she looked sad” and was “crying”

M1 asked about screen on KR’s Lexus: “I assume a back-up camera”
-M1 confirms for David Yannetti (DY) that he never saw JO or KR raise a hand to each other in anger

DY says to M1: “I’m so sorry you were made to come here today”

MINOR 2 Teen Girl


-M2 asked about JO and KR’s relationship: “good at the beginning but it was bad at the end”
-M2 remembers fight in Aruba and “yelling in the room”
-Lally asks M2 if KR had access to computer in upstairs room.
M2: “I don’t think the defendant had an account on the computer, but she could go in the room”
-At 4:30 am on 1/29, M2 says “The defendant woke me up at 4:30 in the morning”
-M2 said KR asked her to call Jen McCabe and others. During one call M2 says KR said: “Maybe I had hit him, did I hit him?”

-That morning M2 says KR seemed like she “was on edge” and “I have never seen her that frantic, she was like pacing around”

-Jennifer McCabe “presented to me as relaxed”
-M2 says garage wouldn’t close that morning
-M2 said KR came back to JO’s house after leaving hospital and at some point went upstairs
-M2 said she never saw or spoke to KR after that.
-M2 said KR said, “she felt like she was living in a nightmare and left”
-Defense Attorney Yannetti (DY) said M2 did not mention KR’s “Maybe I had hit him, did I hit him?” statement during 2/2/22 interview at DA’s Office.

DY asks M2 about her conversations with Jennifer McCabe
M2 knows Jennifer McCabe through her daughter and sports teams JM coached.
M2 told DY Jennifer McCabe has not asked her about her testimony.
M2 says neither KR or JO ever raised a hand in anger




The charging document said that John O'Keefe tried to kick Karen out of the home and she refused. It doesn't look like either child said that during their testimony. No other witness previously testified to it either.

It's something that's previously been highlighted as evidence of Karen's motive. However, with the eyewitnesses part of the trial pretty much done, I don't think the jury will ever hear anything about that.
 
The context can't be more explicit that it was caused by blunt force trauma.

"significant blunt force trauma injuries occurred prior to Mr. O'Keefe becoming hypothermic, as evidenced by hemorrhaging in his pancreas and stomach."
I think you want it to say...
"significant blunt force trauma injuries, as evidenced by hemorrhaging in his pancreas and stomach, occurred prior to Mr. O'Keefe becoming hypothermic." It doesn't though.

Now the ER Doctor has testified to cardiac arrest, head injury, and hypothermia. Does not recall and did not note in the chart any injuries below the arm.
 

IMO the doctor was being quite defensive. But in fairness I think a lot of people are not familiar with how testimony works in a courtroom setting.

He feels like he's being personally attacked when asked if he checked for broken bones or other injuries by the defense. But of course on redirect the prosecutor will ask him to explain why he didn't check for broken bones. It's not like anyone believes he's in any way responsible for John's death.
 
I think the doctor was being quite defensive. But in fairness I think a lot of people are not familiar with how testimony works in a courtroom setting.

He feels like he's being personally attacked when asked if he checked for broken bones or other injuries by the defense. But of course on redirect the prosecutor will ask him to explain why he didn't check for broken bones. It's not like anyone believes he's in any way responsible for John's death.

Further evidence that Lally spent scant time prepping his own witnesses. If this doc has never testified before, he should have been prepared for how the process works.
 
The fact that an MVA was never mentioned in the ER notes is huge. That's because no one told the docs or nurses the same at the time he arrived. The first thing the nurses and docs do, is chart on the patients presentation.. (Patient arrived un responsive, intubated, C-collar in place, CPR in progress.) THEN, you TELL THE STORY !!!! As in, ( Per EMS, patient found unresponsive outside covered in snow......)

The vehicle (story ) came later. Imagine that...

MOO
 
I have a question about the alleged three point turn. In what scenario does this result in running over a passenger who just exited the car onto the footpath?

Was KR supposed to have backed into the driveway or over the footpath during the turn? I would usually make a three point turn on the road itself, certainly not over the footpath. Maybe into a driveway if the road was particularly narrow.
Great observation!

Someone upthread said of the 3 point turn that she'd have had to have maneuvered around things in the course of the 3 point turn to make contact with her boyfriend. (They explained it much more eloquently.)

As you pointed out, there would be no reason whatsoever for her to do a 3 point turn.
 
Great observation!

Someone upthread said of the 3 point turn that she'd have had to have maneuvered around things in the course of the 3 point turn to make contact with her boyfriend. (They explained it much more eloquently.)

As you pointed out, there would be no reason whatsoever for her to do a 3 point turn.
Glad to see this discussion on the 3 pt turn, I have been wondering what happened to that hypothesis for awhile now. When I heard Higgy this morning he said he checked both ways before he pulled out but that it was a one-way street. Not sure if he got that right.
 
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He went to the podium with no notebook, no notes. He paused before he began to speak. He only asked John's nephew three questions. First, do you know what it means to raise a hand in anger. He responded that he thought he knew what he meant.


Yan then asked the nephew if he had ever seen John raise a hand in anger to Karen. He responded no. He asked if he had ever seen Karen raise a hand to John and he responded no.


Yannetti then said: "I'm so sorry you were asked to come here today.”


Prior to Yannetti asking those few questions, Lally asked many questions of the nephew, including questions about what his relationship was like with Karen.


"Sometimes good. Sometimes bad."When asked what it was like when it was good, John's nephew responded that they were "Being a family. Happy being around each other.”


Sometimes when it was bad, he got in trouble for doing something wrong and Karen would yell a little and had a bit of an "attitude.”


Sometimes, Karen would "ignore" him and not look happy.


I should mention, that a few times during this testimony, Lally, per usual, was hard to understand. He also had a few moments that in the way that he asked the questions, was hard for the child to know what he meant.



John's niece was then called to testify. She is older than her brother. One thing we learned from both children is that John and Karen never argued outside the home, although they did say that arguments were more frequent in the months leading up to John's death.


11:50 AM · May 28, 2024
Respect to Yanetti
 
Glad to see this discussion on the 3 pt turn, I have been wondering what happened to that hypothesis for a awhile now. When I heard Higgy this morning he said he checked both ways before he pulled out but that it was a one-way street. Not sure if he got that right.
That makes it even less likely that she attempted a 3 p.t., imo. I can't picture her dropping John off going the wrong way on a one way. Some might say that she wanted to drop him off being as close as possible to the house. But she did that. And who has a one way street in the US in a residential area, where the left-hand side of the street is the correct side? None of it makes any sense.

I also don't believe the report that she is on video pounding shots every 10-15 minutes for hours. If it was on video, the prosecution would have shown it in court. I say, there's no way.
 
That makes it even less likely that she attempted a 3 p.t., imo. I can't picture her dropping John off going the wrong way on a one way. Some might say that she wanted to drop him off being as close as possible to the house. But she did that. And who has a one way street in the US in a residential area, where the left-hand side of the street is the correct side? None of it makes any sense.

Fairview is a 2 way street with a double yellow center line

The three point turn was dropped by the CW many months ago. They will now claim she backed into him at 24 mph.
 
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