MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #5

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where did you get info that Albert was a Boston cop LONG AGO? I thought he said on the stand that he had recently retired? Not sure if it makes any difference, I was just wondering how long ago he retired since I was under the impression it was more recent than that.

Thanks!

You’re correct. I can’t find an exact date (from a legit website), but this says he was a 30 yr Boston cop before his retirement.
 
where did you get info that Albert was a Boston cop LONG AGO? I thought he said on the stand that he had recently retired? Not sure if it makes any difference, I was just wondering how long ago he retired since I was under the impression it was more recent than that.

Thanks
 
where did you get info that Albert was a Boston cop LONG AGO? I thought he said on the stand that he had recently retired? Not sure if it makes any difference, I was just wondering how long ago he retired since I was under the impression it was more recent than that.

Thanks!
I got it in my rambling head. Late. Wrong I was.
 
One more thing, maybe just a typo, but you have the wrong kid's birthday. It wasn't Colin Albert it was Brian Jr.'s birthday. Brian Jr. is son of Nicole and Brian Albert. Colin Albert is son of Julie and Chris Albert, the pizza guy.
One more thing... haha.. I was sooo exhausted and should of waited till today to rant my thoughts.. but noooooo.
 

She woke up the niece at 4:30 am frantic and outta control. As I suspected KR was too agitated to just wait until someone discovered John’s body. She even said to the niece “maybe I hit him, did I hit him?”

It makes absolutely no sense if she supposedly dropped him off, he walked towards the house and she left, and if she supposedly woke up and was worried simply because he wasn’t home.

Waking up frantic, waking up the children, wondering out loud if you hit him…..if this isn’t a confession to murder I don’t know what is. She completely abandons the children after she kills John, which proves she never cared for those kids. She never had a bond with them. Who abandons grieving children after their guardian is supposedly beaten by his friends and left to freeze to death? Especially THESE children who have already suffered unimaginable loss and grief? Who does that? Someone who isn’t sorry John is dead and can’t even pretend to grieve. That’s who.

JMO
 

She woke up the niece at 4:30 am frantic and outta control. As I suspected KR was too agitated to just wait until someone discovered John’s body. She even said to the niece “maybe I hit him, did I hit him?”

It makes absolutely no sense if she supposedly dropped him off, he walked towards the house and she left, and if she supposedly woke up and was worried simply because he wasn’t home.

Waking up frantic, waking up the children, wondering out loud if you hit him…..if this isn’t a confession to murder I don’t know what is. She completely abandons the children after she kills John, which proves she never cared for those kids. She never had a bond with them. Who abandons grieving children after their guardian is supposedly beaten by his friends and left to freeze to death? Especially THESE children who have already suffered unimaginable loss and grief? Who does that? Someone who isn’t sorry John is dead and can’t even pretend to grieve. That’s who.

JMO

There sure is a A LOT of assumptions in this post. If I went out drinking with my partner and I woke up to find she was gone, I would be freaking out and agitated. Guess that means I'm a murderer. MOO
 
asking about water, serum, centrifuge, averages, three conversion factors.
What's that now...? :oops:

I'm so lost on the technical verbiage lol. Sincerely love that there are people in the world who can be experts because this is important and I need to believe and trust in them which I do for the most part
 
I know there was a media blackout so we couldn’t hear the children’s testimony but I wonder how Jackson and Yanetti were able to cope without being able to berate and accuse the minor children of crimes. Does the defense say the children are part of the cover up conspiracy? I’m assuming not but you never know with this defense team.

JMO
 
He is an FBI agent. What is he actually doing? Will it be disclosed? Kind of doubt it and it would not surprise me if all his trash is like "classified" and goes out through the military base. I guess he has to be part of this case but his role is really legally constrained and I do not believe everything about him will be revealed IMO.
Sorry but he is not FBI, he is ATF.


I feel like the thread police today :(
 
Did she do it? I don’t know. It doesn’t even matter at this point. We have rules and procedures and laws for a reason. If we find that the police officers and detectives didn’t follow basic rules of evidence and procedure, we cannot send someone to prison. And the whole situation here just stinks to high heaven as my granny would’ve said.
Wonderful summary here!^^^ Wouldn’t it be amazing if there was a directed verdict perhaps? And tossed everything on the ‘heap’?

I guess one could hope. And IANAL. (But I loved to watch Perry Mason (with Raymond Burr) as a kid and reruns at lunch in college. I know, that doesn’t count either. :) MOO
 

She woke up the niece at 4:30 am frantic and outta control. As I suspected KR was too agitated to just wait until someone discovered John’s body. She even said to the niece “maybe I hit him, did I hit him?”

It makes absolutely no sense if she supposedly dropped him off, he walked towards the house and she left, and if she supposedly woke up and was worried simply because he wasn’t home.

Waking up frantic, waking up the children, wondering out loud if you hit him…..if this isn’t a confession to murder I don’t know what is. She completely abandons the children after she kills John, which proves she never cared for those kids. She never had a bond with them. Who abandons grieving children after their guardian is supposedly beaten by his friends and left to freeze to death? Especially THESE children who have already suffered unimaginable loss and grief? Who does that? Someone who isn’t sorry John is dead and can’t even pretend to grieve. That’s who.

JMO
I think we both agree KR is smart, correct?
If she was this calculated as you imply, she’d stayed and pretended to grieve.

And no, what she said to the niece is not a confession to murder.

I think we all agree it is important to stick to the facts and base our opinions on facts in this thread, would you agree?
 

She woke up the niece at 4:30 am frantic and outta control. As I suspected KR was too agitated to just wait until someone discovered John’s body. She even said to the niece “maybe I hit him, did I hit him?”

It makes absolutely no sense if she supposedly dropped him off, he walked towards the house and she left, and if she supposedly woke up and was worried simply because he wasn’t home.

Waking up frantic, waking up the children, wondering out loud if you hit him…..if this isn’t a confession to murder I don’t know what is. She completely abandons the children after she kills John, which proves she never cared for those kids. She never had a bond with them. Who abandons grieving children after their guardian is supposedly beaten by his friends and left to freeze to death? Especially THESE children who have already suffered unimaginable loss and grief? Who does that? Someone who isn’t sorry John is dead and can’t even pretend to grieve. That’s who.

JMO
Correct me if I'm wrong, but within four days of JOK's death, KR was ordered to avoid anyone in his family. Also, she was accused of killing him. If I was (falsely) accused of killing someone, I would go into self-preservation mode, personally, especially if the local cops are in cahoots with the Albert residence, etc, and closing ranks against me, getting the O'Keefes on side with them as well. At the of the day, she was an outsider in more ways than one, as it has been demonstrated.

Just to be factual, she didn't say "to the niece "maybe I hit him, did I hit him?"" The niece testified that she overheard KR saying that to Kerry.

Also, perhaps KR had a strong premonition (mixed with her inebriated state) that something had happened to John when she woke up that morning. And maybe she immediately felt an intuitive sense of responsibility for dropping him off and her mind went to their last interaction. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, which is why a wide swath of people don't find it impossible.

That being said, it also is possible that she hit him, left the scene, and then began to "create a narrative" which involved bread-crumbing "not realising that she accidentally killed him until she woke up the next morning," backing her car into his, getting Kerry and JM to watch her "discover" JOK's body, etc. That being said, there hasn't been any indication that she knowingly hit him and left him for dead. In fact, the logistics of where he was found, his injuries, and the suspicious manner the broken taillight "evidence" was collected, suggest that she didn't hit him, and the answers can be found in the Albert household and on all those now destroyed/rehomed mobiles.

Personally, I change my mobile once every 3 - 4 years (or if I can stretch it longer). Because, $$$.
 
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I know there was a media blackout so we couldn’t hear the children’s testimony but I wonder how Jackson and Yanetti were able to cope without being able to berate and accuse the minor children of crimes. Does the defense say the children are part of the cover up conspiracy? I’m assuming not but you never know with this defense team.

JMO
SUUUUPER important to stick to the facts here.
 
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