Thank you for the kind words.
I have no problem with people saying someone involved in the case lied if they can post links to show it is so. I do have a problem with the credibility of posts by people posting that the parents are to blame for whatever happened just because they did not see the abduction take place (bearing in mind those posting such things do not yet know what happened) and I do have a problem with credibility of those who accuse the parents of murder solely on the basis of a perceived lack of emotion. I have also seen many posts about the funds that have been raised as if that somehow is evidence of murder and I have seen lots of posts about a lack of emotion shown being a horrible thing whether or not they actually committed any crime. I looked up the meaning of vitriol before posting to be certain I had the proper meaning for what I was seeing and in some cases that is what I was seeing. However I don't mean to paint all withthe same brush, there have been some extraordinarily sensible people posting as well and I pay attention when they speak as they usually post based on facts and not based on any kneejerk emotional response.
Evidence is a good thing to base a theory on.
For those who think the parents were the perps of the girls disappearance: Has anyone figured what they did with the body and in what time frame they disposed of it? (That's an honest question and not a challenge thing.)
For those who think someone other than the parents were involved why, and how was it done and where is the missing girl?
Quote by BethInAKI think its very possible Madeleine left the apartment on her accord. It explains the open door. Although I guess I think her body would have been found by now if she met an accidental death nearby the apartment.
It is Glaswegian (born in Glasgow)
Thats just heartbreaking.
I'll be stunned if their marriage survives. Gerry shows obvious ability to be able to pick up the pieces and move on though.
Here are three articles on Madeleine McCann from an American newspaper, The Evening Bulletin located in Philadelphia.
Parents Of Kidnapped McCann Child To Blame 5/15/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18342149&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
Britain Defends McCann Parents 5/22/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18371835&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
McCann's Parents Love Being Globe-Trotting Celebrities 7/27/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18636395&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
Here are three articles on Madeleine McCann from an American newspaper, The Evening Bulletin located in Philadelphia.
Parents Of Kidnapped McCann Child To Blame 5/15/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18342149&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
Britain Defends McCann Parents 5/22/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18371835&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
McCann's Parents Love Being Globe-Trotting Celebrities 7/27/07
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=18636395&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
IMO a lot of those words hit the nail right on the head.Oh dear - the usual badly researched 2,000 words by lunchtime to get the readers up and thinking.
Oh Yes!! Searches for anything that only bashes the McCanns.Oh dear - the usual badly researched 2,000 words by lunchtime to get the readers up and thinking.
Hi Everyone, i've been chit chating with friends about the case today and things started to gell a bit so I wrote them down. I don't want to upset anyone by proposing that Madeleine has died. My theory here could cover either her death or still being alive as you will see. It is pretty bare bones.
Also, I am not really anti or pro McCann, or at least try to be objective about them. I think our focus should be on finding Madeleine, and that is why we Sleuth here, to try our best to find an answer:
Evening on May 3rd in Praia da Luz
I think she just didn't wake up, and it all boils down to what happened between 6 and 10 that night. Gerry wasn't going to have a repeat of the night before being called on the carpet by the resort mngr, so they gave all 3 children meds so they would sleep, along with their dinner. Little did they know Maddy's system couldn't handle it and her heart rate slowed. They were concerned about her but not really worried. But upon checking her before they were going to leave around 7:30, they found she had passed.
They were panicked of course, but realized they had to deal with it now. I think Gerry walked over to pick up Russel, who with Jane were staying in the same bldg upstairs. and told him what had happened. They thought about what to do and devised a plan. Jane was right there and she would have to be late for dinner and come upon the man who would carry Madeleine away so she could tell the world she had been abducted.
Gerry had a good friend from England on holiday and close by, and he called him from Russel's place to see if he could help to remove the body. He would wrap her in a blanket and carry her down the street and Jane would then be able to tell the truth that she had seen a man carry away what appeared to be a child. They agreed this should happen around 9:15 when all was quiet outside. Gerry would check the children at 9:30 and return saying all was well, and Kate would go at 10 to discover her missing.
Since she had died by accident they would have to keep the truth from everyone. None of their friends waiting for them at the Tapas knew yet what had happened, and maybe they didn't tell them. But I do think later that night they did talk to the other members of the party and formed the pact. There might have been other issues they didn't want to come into play with Madeleine having been abducted - drugs, sex, who knows.
The 4 of them, Jane, Russel, Matthew and Gerry went over to the apt one by one between 9:05 and 9:30, and Jeremy came by as he said he would entering thru the already unlocked patio door, and took her away. It was really Madeileine he had wrapped up in his arms, and not his 8 month old child. He wasn't in their party, so noone would suspect him. He has a dowdy profession as a TV producer of films with a questiable nature, like masturbation, etc
It does explain many things:
The mom said they usually dined every night at 7:30, and don't think they were all assembled till around 8:30 at the Tapas.
The PJ said she disappeared between 9:10 and 9:20 I think, and that is exactly when Jeremy was there.
It explains why between 9:05 and 9:30 there were 4 members of the party within a stones throw of the apt. Everyone was very concerned and wanted to make sure every base was covered in their plan.
It explains why Matthew was in their apt, to make sure the twins were OK and still sleeping and the house looked presentable.
Mr Levy said in a statement several weeks ago that we would all be in for a surprise with Jeremy and his involvement.
And this is why Kate has withered away, the guilt of the whole charade of Find Madeleine, spoofing the Pope, the world, the family, the police, and to save themselves they can not let the truth ever come out or they will face big charges as will their friends.
If she did not die that evening, then I believe the McCanns had to hide her for some reason as her life had been threatened. Everything was done the same way.
I think Murat was called by a friend to move her at one point, under threat that his girl would be hurt if he didn't. Someone knew him from somewhere and knew what he was like and he would be the perfect scapegoat to explain away who had taken her.
This is a theory only and only my opinion.
Wow, Scandi. Welcome back. You've been busy over at the other forum, haven't you. This is an interesting post, and I could definitely see it happening this way.
Phew! Thank goodness this has got back to Websleuths and not Web moraljudges....
Having looked at some of the evidence on the website, I decided to make a list to see if, as I wrote the information down, any ideas would become clearer. Not exactly comprehensive - just thoughts
A local paedophile:
Pros
Would know the local area that this holiday camp would be bursting with children. Could take her away and hide her quickly. Would know the immediate area well.
Could have also had a car nearby. If so she may be still locally.
The police search was not door-to-door and not comprehensive, according to press reports its only a small police station and it appears that the police didnt exactly jump to it.
The McCanns keep stating the police are doing a good job. Thats sometimes press-speak for They dont seem to have a clue - but we are not in a position to criticise.
There dont seem to be any press reports of all the local paedophiles being interviewed but then do the Portuguese keep up-to-date records? . Its also a transitory population, including the waiters, etc at the complex. Were all employees they all checked?
Possibility of remote farms etc in the area, which have not been searched Also the police dont seem to have used a huge amount of manpower to scour the area or do inch-by-inch searches as the British police do. At least this has not been pictured.
British holiday makers saying that their flats were still not searched weeks after the disappearance. If true, then may others may not have been searched, so there would have been plenty of time to cover up as unlikely the police would search all suitcases etc..
Cons
Was it chance or was it planned? If planned, the person responsible would have needed to keep watch. Therefore likely to have been noticed by someone. With a £3m reward at stake why hasnt someone come forward - unless the person was working alone?
Paedophile gang
Pros
I believe that Mrs McCann was convinced that this is what had happened to Madeleine. I think that is why she carried the Cuddle Cat around with her.
A gang may have kept Madeleine amused by letting her watch TV. Mrs McCann may have carried the cat as a sign as, if her child was watching foreign language TV, it would have been a message to say that we are searching for you.
It would be possible to plan in advance, with local knowledge, working in a team.
They would know that they would have 20-30mins in which to take her but they could not guarantee access to the room.
As the police did not mount roadblocks, could have easily got away. Several sightings in other countries. Almost impossible to follow each one up - checking a 'service station sighting ' hours after the party has left for instance.
Cons
If they just wanted any child, it would have been a lot easier to steal a working class child out playing, as their disappearance would be less likely to be reported immediately. It would have been a risky option as it was in a complex, with potential witnesses..
With a £3m reward at stake why hasnt someone come forward as there is usually one person who would like the money involved with a gang.
Robert Murat
Pros
Involved himself in the investigation and reported by a British journalist as being suspect not a Portuguese. If the evidence of the McCanns friends is to be believed, was on the scene shortly afterwards.
Lives nearby and an alibi from a mother is not the best.
Cons
Doesnt seem to have any history of paedophile activities.. Ex- wife says hes just very helpful. No DNA evidence at his mothers house or in his car, as the police would have charged him if any was found. Do the phone calls place him at his mothers house or is it just an area that is located when a call is made?
..The recent British case of the Ipswich murders where an innocent man was almost judged in the press to be the murderer even the stories of: I always knew his eyes were too close togetheretc etc printed - before someone else was arrested, is an example of close but entirely wrong.
The Mc Canns
Pros
May have been accidental. Behaviour after Madeleine went missing has been stated as being odd. Times seem to vary.
Cons
It would be natural of a shocked Mrs McCann to run to get the friends to search if she believed Madeleine had wandered off.
There seems to be a discussion over the time elapse between the parents returning to check the children 20m, 30m etc but it is likely that they didnt check by the clock just when they thought it was time to. Therefore they may not know exact times.
Difficulty in getting all friends to cover up.
Difficulty in disposing the body.
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