Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #35

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Holes dug apparently for soil samples in the area around Barragem do Arade reservoir, in the Algave, Portugal, after the area was reopened to media
(PA)

''As part of this investigation, police dug holes of around 60cm and these have been left, along with piles of soil, now that authorities have left the digging area.

The surrounding woodland showed pathways had been cut by heavy machinery, leading to the main flattened 160 square foot excavation area''

''As part of this investigation, police dug holes of around 60cm and these have been left, along with piles of soil, now that authorities have left the digging area.

The surrounding woodland showed pathways had been cut by heavy machinery, leading to the main flattened 160 square foot excavation area''
 
"Experts speculated that the holes could have been to remove soil samples for analysis - but could also have been used by officers using ground penetrating radar."

 
''Ground-penetrating radar is the technology behind the discoveries of what are believed to be unmarked burial sites on the grounds of former residential schools, by providing communities with the first glimpses of physical evidence of possible graves.''

The basic principle, Supernant says, is that ground-penetrating radar sends an electromagnetic wave into the ground. As the wave travels below the surface it encounters different things and bounces back to the machine.

She says the unit itself looks like a box, roughly the size of a toaster oven, which is usually attached to a cart that someone pushes along the ground.

When her team does searches, they divide the area into a grid and walk a line with their ground-penetrating radar unit. It can be a slow process, Supernant says, depending on the size of the area being searched.
“When we’re using it to try to locate potential unmarked graves, what we’re really doing is we’re sending that signal through the ground and then trying to create a map of what we think we see below the surface.”
She says people should think of the soil as a background signal.
“That’s why you hear terms like ‘anomaly’ used, because there’s sort of a steady background signal and then something changes and we try to make sense of (what) that change might represent.”

''Over the last five years there have been significant advances in soil analysis, enabling fingerprint information to be obtained from a sample the size of a grain of rice. Not so long ago they’d have required a shovelful for the same results.''

''Lorna has to keep an open mind about the suspect, who could be perfectly innocent, as well as any events which may have altered the chemical composition of the soil, such as a tool having been washed, or shoes splashed through a puddle. Interestingly, adding water to soil can sometimes help investigators because when it dries, tiny sticky aggregates can be locked-in''

''Forensic Soil Analysis is the use of soil sciences and other disciplines to aid in criminal investigation. Soils are like fingerprints because every type of soil that exists has unique properties that act as identification markers. This means that the origin of the soil sample can be identified. For example, clay embedded in the sneaker of a criminal can be traced back to a specific clay type found along a lake where a murder victim was discovered. The majority of soil cases involves footprints or tire marks that have been left in the soil.

The unique properties of soil are as follows:

Sediment– the original solid particles that were weathered and transported. This could be in the form of a grain of rock that breaks off of the larger parent material (larger version of rock). Soils can develop on these sediments due to physical and chemical alteration.''
 
Journalists were all over the area when investigators left, as everyone knew they would be.

Maybe a case of can't see the wood for the trees? While we are all discussing holes in the ground, what might we be missing.
I can’t think of anything found in 5A that they could link back to the soil here. Of course, they may need to look at the stains marked by the dogs again. Ha!
 
Do you really need to dig holes that big to obtain samples for soil analysis? And that many holes? I would think it more likely they were looking for something buried there.
O/t, cannot help but be reminded of this book and film..
''A wrongfully convicted boy is sent to a brutal desert detention camp where he joins the job of digging holes for some mysterious reason.''
 
It does make sense to look for buried stuff imho.

After the 2006 MS-HB desaster at CB's home when he lost all his "goodies", he seemed to be a kind of drifter. Keeping all that stuff in the campervan or other cars could have been dangerous as well.

So what to do? It really makes sense in some way, to have a small hideout and to use the "big closet" underneath....
 
"Experts speculated that the holes could have been to remove soil samples for analysis - but could also have been used by officers using ground penetrating radar."

I don't think we need experts speculating. We've got plenty of amateurs doing that already.
 

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LIVEupdated8 minutes ago

''Madeleine McCann police cut down trees as they search suspect’s ‘little paradise’ in Portugal​

Police have cut down trees and swathes of undergrowth as they continued to search Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s “little paradise” in Portugal.
Officers were working with strimmers and heavy machinery at the Barragem do Arade on Wednesday, around 30 miles from where Madeleine went missing in 2007.
On the second day of the latest hunt for the missing girl, the search team were morning focusing on a valley slightly north of a secluded clearing behind trees near where three tents were put up on Monday.
The dense vegetation meant they had to use tools including chainsaws to remove trees to access the water properly.
Officers are also understood to be searching the reservoir for the pink pyjamas Madeleine was wearing when she vanished, sources close to the investigation have said.
Maroosha Muzaffar26 May 2023 11:00''
 
It's a freezer, isn't it (pic #15)?


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"He is said to have frequently made a fire on site and burned things. What he burned, however, is not known to the neighbors to this day. In general, B. lived like a mess and is said to have brought refrigerators and tires to the site in large quantities."
 

"He is said to have frequently made a fire on site and burned things. What he burned, however, is not known to the neighbors to this day. In general, B. lived like a mess and is said to have brought refrigerators and tires to the site in large quantities."

"Refrigerators burn like a torch once their insulation catches fire."

"Even if the cause of the fire lies elsewhere, the insulation of the refrigerator can catch fire. The effect corresponds to that of the Grenfell Tower – the size of a refrigerator, but that is already fatal for an apartment. The insulation will not catch fire from a single spark. However, if it is exposed to flames for a certain period of time, it will catch fire. This insulation fire then feeds itself, the whole refrigerator is immediately in flames."


It's just a theory but i could imagine that little CB knew very well, how to get rid of things by using fire.
 
IIRC the killer of Sarah Everard tried to dispose of her body using a fridge fire - it's not effective.

As usual the main issue for body disposal is you need to create a fire much hotter than you can create by burning ordinary materials like wood.

It does not take specialist knowledge to burn other flammable materials - but does take perseverance, as anyone who used to have an incinerator back in the 80s will know!

In other words - don't do this!
 
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"Refrigerators burn like a torch once their insulation catches fire."

"Even if the cause of the fire lies elsewhere, the insulation of the refrigerator can catch fire. The effect corresponds to that of the Grenfell Tower – the size of a refrigerator, but that is already fatal for an apartment. The insulation will not catch fire from a single spark. However, if it is exposed to flames for a certain period of time, it will catch fire. This insulation fire then feeds itself, the whole refrigerator is immediately in flames."


It's just a theory but i could imagine that little CB knew very well, how to get rid of things by using fire.
The thought is very chilling. One can see why he might have been confident of getting away with whatever since he had such a controlled method of destroying evidence.
 
The thought is very chilling. One can see why he might have been confident of getting away with whatever since he had such a controlled method of destroying evidence.
The interesting thing about the freezer in the woods is, that the picture above shows very clearly, that it's insulation has been dismantled?!
 
IIRC the killer of Sarah Everard tried to dispose of her body using a fridge fire - it's not effective.

As usual the main issue for body disposal is you need to create a fire much hotter than you can create by burning ordinary materials like wood.

It does not take specialist knowledge to burn other flammable materials - but does take perseverance, as anyone who used to have an incinerator back in the 80s will know!

In other words - don't do this!
I would have assumed that the fire would have been fed continually with any flammable materials to hand.
Who would have bothered with a hippy and a campfire.
 
Based on the landmark references you can see in the Sky News video, I've got the dig site as being located here.

Just looking back through the historical google earth satellite images and I noticed the trees in this area were far less dense back then. There is no image from 2007 unfortunately but there's one from 2006 and then it jumps to 2010. But you can see from both images that the area where they have now dug is basically where the tree line ended back then. The trees that are now in front of that area weren't there before. So it appears CB would have probably been able to have driven his van right up to this spot back in 2007.
 
I would have assumed that the fire would have been fed continually with any flammable materials to hand.
Who would have bothered with a hippy and a campfire.

There is any number of cases of clownish killers trying to burn bodies and it always ends in epic failure and a big mess. Especially you cannot burn the bones without specialist equipment.

Burning other kinds of evidence could be quite successful, though again there are synthetics which will melt rather than burn as one example, and metal components will not burn obviously.
 
Welcome back!

What is interesting with this new search is that it’s very close to Sao Bartolommeu de Messiness. Am I recalling correctly, did you once mention that you had located the picture on the VW T3 (the one with the small wooden posts and CB’s three-finger salute) to this area?

I would be interested to know exactly where.
Thx
I did suggest the back track from PDL to BSJ as a possible location for the photo. Can't remember saying this about Messines though.
 
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