Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #9

[mrjitty]

Does anyone of you guys know why the UK cadaver dogs were brought in only 3 months (Aug) after MM's disappearance?

Because a specialist UK expert Mark Harrison was brought in to review the case. It was him who developed the case in that direction and led to the use of the specialist dogs

 

[LeopardLeotard]

I don't think the pink thing in the westfalia was MM - why would he stay local? Keep her in the van give her lollies, meals, let her out to pee etc? It's nonsense imo. He didn't have time to groom her, there was an international search party out for her.
MM would have been killed very soon after imo.
However, after having taken MM and possibly abusing her, his fantasies, (in the chatroom) would have been even more developed, sick and enduring. - hence, talking about taking something small and using it for days.
If he knew he had done it once and had got away with it and had been sexually gratified by it, then his fantasies could go to the next level. (Fritz style)


JMO

If that is mm in the van she may or may not have been alive,he kept a lot of footage of what he did,he may have taken her there to do more of that or to dispose of her.It was not that local to where she was abducted from,its secluded and has many places to hide a body.I also believe whatever he ended up doing would have left her in a state of damage that she would not be able to be sold on nor do i think if that was the intention he would have been able to resist.He wanted to describe and document in detail the torture he was inflicting. He enjoyed dressing up and i think he must have thought alot about where and how and what he was going to do and where he was going to do it.In short,i think that is her in the van and its part of his documentation,his trophys his work.I also cannot see him leaving her in a cave for some reason the unpredictability of her resurfacing somewhere doesnt seem likely.I think shes in the ground somewhere,somewhere hes thought about and thought safe.It really would not surprise me if there are other bodies also.The teenager who everyone thought had returned to germany is one possibility.

 

[tedtink]

So it was the Sunday Express (Red Top Trash) did the "investigation" in 2014 into the lost keys.
Some keys were lost, which morphed into the whole of the blocks' keys being stolen and the former maintenance worker took 7 years to tell a "paying" Tabloid about it.
Odd imo.

 

[BellMat]

It's quite disturbing to know that of all cars that were parked in that garage or on that parking lot, the sniffer dog(s) picked out the car of the McCanns by setting the alarm at the driver's door and the trunk.

If the McCanns are innocent (and that is what I wish to believe), then someone must have planted some organic/human residue on those particular spots of their car during the time that it was parked. Was there any chain of custody for that car?
And was the car searched any further on DNA after the dog(s) had made their search?

I’ve read some quite critical things about the way that whole dog exercise was conducted. The dog handler knew which car was rented by the McCanns, for example. That’s really poor form for something touted as ‘scientific’.

 

[tedtink]

Depends though. Lets assume he had got hold of the front door key somehow using a connection at the Ocean club. If he just went in through the front door and back out again it leaves the police with a huge clue, especially as he may not have known about the patio door being unlocked as you point out. So as the patio door can only be unlocked from the inside, the only way of getting into the apartment is through the front door. So now the police know, there must have been some inside influence to the job as the perpetrator must have had a key to get in. A good way to put the police off that scent would be to open the window once inside, making it look like someone has used that as the access point to get in.

Yes, like i said, he could have opened the window once inside to detract from having a key. (If he did have it)
A "faked" break in. But if this did happen, then the whole point of that would have been to protect the person who gave him the key, otherwise if CB had stolen the key himself, surely there would have been no need to fake a break in?

 

[MENDEL]

About doors, keys and windows issues here's an apartment plan that can help.

 

[tedtink]

Do you think if CB is charged there will be a Police swoop and other arrests made?
Why haven't other arrests been made recently regarding the keys if LE need all the info they can to charge?

 

[Dlk79]

Yes, like i said, he could have opened the window once inside to detract from having a key. (If he did have it)
A "faked" break in. But if this did happen, then the whole point of that would have been to protect the person who gave him the key, otherwise if CB had stolen the key himself, surely there would have been no need to fake a break in?

Yes, to protect the person who he got the key from and in turn, himself. If police were able to work out which employee took the key then there's every chance that person would then give up CB to save themselves. This person may not have even known about CB's plan, perhaps thinking the key was only going to be used to steal valuables from the apartment.

 

[tedtink]

Yes, to protect the person who he got the key from and in turn, himself. If police were able to work out which employee took the key then there's every chance that person would then give up CB to save themselves. This person may not have even known about CB's plan, perhaps thinking the key was only going to be used to steal valuables from the apartment.

But the next day the OC employee realises exactly what they have been complicit in - can't go to the Police because of the jail term etc so stays quiet. But HOW could you live with yourself, surely that person would be offered immunity now?

 

[MENDEL]

Do you think if CB is charged there will be a Police swoop and other arrests made?
Why haven't other arrests been made recently regarding the keys if LE need all the info they can to charge?

If this was a well-planned abduction, and I think so, and they conduct investigation carefully no doubt this will finish with a lot of warrants.

Police has never been formally informed about keys, and this is a big problem.

Another really big problem is that investigation needs tight cooperation with British and Portuguese LE and HCW is failing to have a sound working relationship with both.

 

[MENDEL]

But the next day the OC employee realises exactly what they have been complicit in - can't go to the Police because of the jail term etc so stays quiet. But HOW could you live with yourself, surely that person would be offered immunity now?

Immunity is something of a myth in Europe. That guy would be charged anyway unless his crime already prescribed.

 

[MENDEL]

HCW is considering a simple scenario only instead of considering a possible tip of iceberg.

This makes me remember a very interesting case worth reading about a quite complex international web that seemed to be just another man found drown on the sea (and almost was).

Reader_s_Digest_India_-_April_2016

PP. 138-155.

 

[BellMat]

Another really big problem is that investigation needs tight cooperation with British and Portuguese LE and HCW is failing to have a sound working relationship with both.

The MM case has been poorly served by LE infighting and ego-driven antics. No country is immune but it needs to stop — right now — if they’re ever going to solve this case.

“It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit”

 

[MENDEL]

Yes, Bell. That's the big problem. Not caring who gets the credit is what poor MM deserves to have justice but it's been hard to achieve.

I included British and Portuguese LE, but I forgot German LE, too. Local LE in Germany is quite powerful and HCW needs to be humble enough to share it with BKA.

 

[tedtink]

If that is mm in the van she may or may not have been alive,he kept a lot of footage of what he did,he may have taken her there to do more of that or to dispose of her.It was not that local to where she was abducted from,its secluded and has many places to hide a body.I also believe whatever he ended up doing would have left her in a state of damage that she would not be able to be sold on nor do i think if that was the intention he would have been able to resist.He wanted to describe and document in detail the torture he was inflicting. He enjoyed dressing up and i think he must have thought alot about where and how and what he was going to do and where he was going to do it.In short,i think that is her in the van and its part of his documentation,his trophys his work.I also cannot see him leaving her in a cave for some reason the unpredictability of her resurfacing somewhere doesnt seem likely.I think shes in the ground somewhere,somewhere hes thought about and thought safe.It really would not surprise me if there are other bodies also.The teenager who everyone thought had returned to germany is one possibility.

So, you say, she could have been dead in the van and you can see a face through the window? Was she propped up in some way at the window dead?
We don't know if he documented every detail IF he was the perp we don't know that he kept a lot of MM footage as you say- he only said that years later in a chatroom/ is what he wanted to do.
Also if this photo has been released by LE they sure wouldn't release a pic of MM in that van, forensics would have studied these pics who have far more knowledge than us, otherwise they would have charged him, fair and square!

 

[haden]

Does anyone of you guys know why the UK cadaver dogs were brought in only 3 months (Aug) after MM's disappearance?

PJ were against it.
I remember signing a petition for these dogs to be brought in.
If I remember well this petition was organised by Madeleine's parents' side because they were frustrated with PJ's work.

 

[Chiatos]

Michael Tatschl also claims he and CB were best friends.

Interview: Christian Brückner was my best friend - I'm sure he took Madeleine McCann

ETA: I hope BP won't be jealous.

Those two must have had some kind of strange friendship, yes. But according to Tatschl, CB was his (his=Tatschl) best friend.
That doesn't mean that Tatschl was CB's best friend. ....

Perhaps CB felt a closer bond with Bernhard.
CB and Bernhard got acquainted some years before CB and Tatschl became friends, so perhaps they had kind of a "special bond".

 

[Chiatos]

PJ were against it.
I remember signing a petition for these dogs to be brought in.
If I remember well this petition was organised by Madeleine's parents' side because they were frustrated with PJ's work.

Thanks for the info!

 

[haden]

Well, hard to believe he committed such a complex and well planned crime. He doesn't seem to have an intellectual profile. He has never been charged with a single complex crime . It seems police easily find out his crimes and action. I don't think he could have abducted MM. To me the possibility is that he participated in abduction, his "horrendous job tomorrow in PDL". From those participating, CB was perhaps the easiest to catch.

He could have entered the apartment with the intention to steal. And then Gerry MC came and he was stuck. Madeleine could have got woken up and see him. Then maybe the Matt Oldfield came and burglar panicked.
Another version is that he came there the night before, too. Madeleine said to her mum " Where were you last night when Sean and I were crying?" This means Madeleine was target for himself.
The third version is that he did it to order.

 

[Cajunsoccerdad]

It just gets worse and worse doesn't it?

Made me think of “Color of Money” with Tom Cruise. ( sorry, trying to stay focused on case but just one of those old movie files in my head)