Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #9

[Chiatos]

ETA: it's interesting McCanns had a camera on dining room's table at the time of abduction and was left there. Wouldn't CB, a well formatted thief steal it if he ever was there?[/QUOTE

If the abduction was sexually motivated, as opposed to financially motivated, then he wouldn't have taken valuables imo.
That's presuming he acted alone.

If the abduction was financially motivated / for payment by another, then no need to take other valuables either.

Stealing an object of the McCanns would have complicated the abduction of MM.
CB must have been aware of that and preferred to focus on stealing the innocent child.

 

[MENDEL]

He could have entered the apartment with the intention to steal. And then Gerry MC came and he was stuck. Madeleine could have got woken up and see him. Then maybe the Matt Oldfield came and burglar panicked.
Another version is that he came there the night before, too. Madeleine said to her mum " Where were you last night when Sean and I were crying?" This means Madeleine was target for himself.
The third version is that he did it to order.

Sorry, I don't buy those burgling theories. Nonsense. He either was there to steal or to kidnap.

If he was there the night before why would he come the next day? He would take the risk the child told his parents and he would be caught. CB is not the type of mental criminal but he's not stupid.

 

[haden]

Sorry, I don't buy those burgling theories. Nonsense. He either was there to steal or to kidnap.

But we don't know what happened there. An accident could have happened during a burglary attempt.
IF IT WAS HIM, he is still not charged, his actions and intentions will be hard to decode because it seems he has several personalities. We know the drunken one can be quite aggressive. We also know he is slightly mad. You can't logically decode the mind of a madman.

 

[haden]

Did anyone notice in Portuguese documentary the guy said that CB told him that his young girlfriend in Germany has mental problems? Was this after he has bitten her up and she run away from him? I mean did he stay with the couple after his spill up with his gf?

 

[MENDEL]

Yes, Haden. "some mental disability".

 

[AussieSherlock]

Depends though. Lets assume he had got hold of the front door key somehow using a connection at the Ocean club. If he just went in through the front door and back out again it leaves the police with a huge clue, especially as he may not have known about the patio door being unlocked as you point out. So as the patio door can only be unlocked from the inside, the only way of getting into the apartment is through the front door. So now the police know, there must have been some inside influence to the job as the perpetrator must have had a key to get in. A good way to put the police off that scent would be to open the window once inside, making it look like someone has used that as the access point to get in.

Very good point Dlk .. v suspicious the 5 block keys went missing days prior IMP

 

[tedtink]

Those two must have had some kind of strange friendship, yes. But according to Tatschl, CB was his (his=Tatschl) best friend.
That doesn't mean that Tatschl was CB's best friend. ....

Perhaps CB felt a closer bond with Bernhard.
CB and Bernhard got acquainted some years before CB and Tatschl became friends, so perhaps they had kind of a "special bond".

It's just a string of dodgy connections and acquaintances, CB and MT were "friends" because MT had connections to drugs, users and suppliers imo. Like a co-dependent relationship.

BP, the scrap man who turned a blind eye to CB's stolen car and other exploits - probably received some of the stolen diesel himself (JMO)

 

[Chiatos]

He could have entered the apartment with the intention to steal. And then Gerry MC came and he was stuck. Madeleine could have got woken up and see him. Then maybe the Matt Oldfield came and burglar panicked.
Another version is that he came there the night before, too. Madeleine said to her mum " Where were you last night when Sean and I were crying?" This means Madeleine was target for himself.
The third version is that he did it to order.

I don't believe any perpretator had been seen by Maddie entering the apartment the night before.
Why not? Because Maddie would have told her parents! In her own, childlike manner, she would have mentioned it. She was almost 4 years old.

 

[NCanning]

A few posters are still convinced they see a child in the back of the westfalia. However if you Google that model of vehicle and look at images, if someone was sitting so close to the window in the back, they would be much larger - even a 4yr old.
The proportions just seem far too small for it to actually be a person in his vehicle

 

[Dlk79]

Did anyone notice in Portuguese documentary the guy said that CB told him that his young girlfriend in Germany has mental problems? Was this after he has bitten her up and she run away from him? I mean did he stay with the couple after his spill up with his gf?

Depends on who he is referring to. If it is NM, then yes it would have been well after they broke up. Depending on which reports you read they got together sometime between 2012 and 2014 and wentnout for about 18 months. One report I read indicated she was extradited from Portugal back to Germany in 2015 and they broke up shortly afterwards. This visit where he stayed with the couple Foral was mid 2016. The way he explains it to them though makes it sound like a more recent relationship so perhaps it is a different girfriend?

 

[photographer4]

I find it rather odd that he would have wanted to create a dangerous profile in Foral though.
He went to exhausting pains to come across as a charming, normal, affable, personable and friendly character, from what we have read.
Carrying a gun in a holster seems incongruous imo - perhaps the mask slipped occasionally. Otherwise it could suggest disorganised personality traits.

Or.. it might suggest that he was fearful that someone might want to harm / kill him....

 

[Chiatos]

It's just a string of dodgy connections and acquaintances, CB and MT were "friends" because MT had connections to drugs, users and suppliers imo. Like a co-dependent relationship.

BP, the scrap man who turned a blind eye to CB's stolen car and other exploits - probably received some of the stolen diesel himself (JMO)

BP has/had an illegal vehicle scrap yard. A very sleezy vehicle scrap yard.
I think CB loves sleezy scrap yards....

 

[tedtink]

But we don't know what happened there. An accident could have happened during a burglary attempt.
IF IT WAS HIM, he is still not charged, his actions and intentions will be hard to decode because it seems he has several personalities. We know the drunken one can be quite aggressive. We also know he is slightly mad. You can't logically decode the mind of a madman.

Why on earth would he have taken MM if an accident occured?
And yes, you CAN decode and understand the mind of a madman.

 

[tedtink]

Yes, Haden. "some mental disability".

My guess is that is pure projection on C.B's part. Control freaks men/women who physically and mentally abuse their partners nearly ALWAYS blame the partner as being unstable or mad.

I would attach literally no significance to CB's statement there.

 

[photographer4]

Also the passports in a drawer in the parent's bedroom, easily findable, remained unstolen.

Explained by this: if your intention was theft, you probably would have left the kids alone. If your intention was to grab a kid, you're gonna go in and do just that and get lost. You're not taking things like passports, or cameras... you know they're no good to you because every cop on the planet is going to be looking for things associated with them. Cameras keep EXIF data. Every time you snap a photo on a digital camera, the memory card records info about the camera (make, model, serial number of device, lens, settings, whether a flash fired, date / time (if set correctly on the device)... You're not gonna wanna post photos anywhere online with a device connected to this missing kid and neither is anyone else. Not if they're smart anyhow. Same with passports. What are you gonna do with them besides keep a trophy of the crime? Every cop on the planet, every border guard is gonna be looking for any sign of the passports... any sign. They're useless to you as a result, unless you wanna get caught.

 

[photographer4]

If he acted alone, he wouldn't lose time with camera and passport perhaps because he was enough busy with child. But if he used window to pass child and left through patio door he would take camera and passport, something he's formatted to do.

If he didn't act alone, his motivation might be money and not sex.

Path of least resistance. Passing a kid through a window is complicated. Much more complicated than just opening the door and walking out with the kid in your arms, and this is what I think the abductor did.

 

[MENDEL]

Path of least resistance. Passing a kid through a window is complicated. Much more complicated than just opening the door and walking out with the kid in your arms, and this is what I think the abductor did.

Agree. It would only make sense in 2 situations: they used patio door (unlikely if that was well-planed) or to pretend they didn't use a key.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

So, you say, she could have been dead in the van and you can see a face through the window? Was she propped up in some way at the window dead?
We don't know if he documented every detail IF he was the perp we don't know that he kept a lot of MM footage as you say- he only said that years later in a chatroom/ is what he wanted to do.
Also if this photo has been released by LE they sure wouldn't release a pic of MM in that van, forensics would have studied these pics who have far more knowledge than us, otherwise they would have charged him, fair and square!

I think shes in a car seat,she could be alive or not who knows,i dont know what else it looks like.Everyones guessing and throwing things out,i dont think it can be completely ruled out just like a lot of theories...all we have is theories. Who knows if a mistake has been made...he liked images of kids,theres 8000 on what they found so far he kept footage of him raping at least two women,whos to say whats left to find.You are right though we will not be privy to most of the info they have,which is why we all guess with our theories.

 

[tedtink]

So do we presume the OC employee first saw the block bookings in the Tapas reservations book, had a conversation with CB, then passed the key to CB?
Had this OC employee profited from CB's thefts in the past by providing tip-offs?
Is there a history there ie - CB was helped on a few occasions at different complexes, over a period of months, years by the same person?
My guess would be yes, it had to be yet another dodgy, enduring relationship. IMO

Yet another best friend?

 

[LeopardLeotard]

A few posters are still convinced they see a child in the back of the westfalia. However if you Google that model of vehicle and look at images, if someone was sitting so close to the window in the back, they would be much larger - even a 4yr old.
The proportions just seem far too small for it to actually be a person in his vehicle

sitting on the left hand side of the vehicle in a car seat the image is just the right size that she was imo