Madeleine McCann: German prisoner identified as suspect - #9

[mrjitty]

So, no further forward then, this German-led investigation and its attempts to link CB to MM's disappearance.

I hope however they have garnered enough info through their appeals to link him to enough criminal activity to keep him locked up for a long time. While the investigation may not, at the end of the day, throw any light on what happened to MM (and I'm seeing nothing to suggest that it will) and since she's not at the crucial centre of it, that would still be a really good and welcome outcome.

Yeah - we cannot know what the police have, but i think everything that has appeared in the media beyond the official briefings can be ignored. Just more of the same old conspiracies and linking together cases based on no hard evidence.

I worry all this is based on the one "confession" to his friends

 

[worldwatcher]

You guys are moving to fast, hard to keep up with, so am not sure if this is posted before, but I just read it..

"According to Bild.de, he would have been in relatively close contact with a junkyard operator from whom he bought the bus.

The 70-year-old scrap dealer is said to have operated his company illegally in Portugal. He is also the only one to have visited B. in the Portuguese prison, where B. is said to have been held between April and December 2006. Apparently because he stole fuel. (nai)"
Maddie McCann: Machte der Verdächtige vor ihrem Verschwinden schreckliche Ankündigung? | Welt

Also I wonder if the Brit cop from Scotland Yard, who lived next to CB must have also heard the weird story's from the neighbours about drunk CB
chasing sheeps, I do believe to have read that he named one..??
With all the animal"sex" found on the hard disk/USB, it add ups how pervert he is, imo

 

[Dlk79]

Yeah - we cannot know what the police have, but i think everything that has appeared in the media beyond the official briefings can be ignored. Just more of the same old conspiracies and linking together cases based on no hard evidence.

I worry all this is based on the one "confession" to his friends

I suspect they have more than this confession. Even from official channels you can surmise that. Firstly, HCW has spoken of evidence he cannot reveal to the public but the public already know about the confession. Secondly, when 60 minutes Australia interviewed HCW they asked at what point did they come to the conclusion that MM had died and he answered "some point in the last 2 years". The confession happened in 2017 and was apparently reported very soon after so it would indicate they have found something else more recently to convince them of the death.

 

[Tabech29]

What's the reward at right now? Wonder if the "friend" talked to get compensated?... I don't know if he was trafficking her from one place to another, but it wouldn't be so hard to do in that area, you can go by water, land without being traced, specially if nobody is looking for you. There is a lot of animosity against the parents there and there is a lot of criminal activity in this surrounding area. Nobody in there wants Madeleine found, because they think she destroyed their image and reputation. Another option is that he could've been just trading images of her or passing her around with his "friends" (the horror!). I can't imagine what the McCann family is going through right now. We are not even family and we care so much about this little girl, trying to put pieces together, looking for answers everywhere, and I can tell that it truly hurts us that an innocent child had to endure this terrible fate. I just hope the years of torture end here, whatever the outcome, may the truth prevail.

 

[Newthoughts]

I suspect they have more than this confession. Even from official channels you can surmise that. Firstly, HCW has spoken of evidence he cannot reveal to the public but the public already know about the confession. Secondly, when 60 minutes Australia interviewed HCW they asked at what point did they come to the conclusion that MM had died and he answered "some point in the last 2 years". The confession happened in 2017 and was apparently reported very soon after so it would indicate they have found something else more recently to convince them of the death.

At some point in the last two years they concluded not only that she'd died but he was involved? That makes me think something they've found on USB or hard drives. That's only my opinion but I struggle to think of anything else. If it were her clothing they'd have forensic evidence wouldn't they?

Which will be horrific for her parent's.

 

[worldwatcher]

Going back to oct. 2013,after the ( German) ZDF broadcast with the McCanns...it seemed that it was also
*(?) planned for the Dutch (crime investigation program) ‘Opsporing Verzocht” because of the two of the men sought could have spoken German or Dutch. Numerous German and Dutch tourists were present during the time of Maddie's disappearance in May 2007.
(* @Chiatos ,do you know if it was ever aired OV,in NL?)

Anyway..after the ZDF broadcast....:

‘ The London police, Scotland Yard, received nearly 1,000 calls and emails by Tuesday afternoon after they presented new insights and phantom images of those wanted in a BBC program on Monday evening....”
———
Case number XY ... unresolved"
"We are delighted with the reactions," said Commissioner Andy Redwood. Accordingly, several callers had given the same name to a man's phantom. The information also raised hope for the success of the campaign in Germany.”

What is interesting is,that after the tips, there is already mention of a possible planned kidnapping...
Also the discovery about Maddie being gone
‘Maddie’s mother reports,among other things,how she innitially thought that Maddie lay down in the parents' bed of the vacation apartment when she did not find her daughter in her room. "Then the panic came slowly," she recalls. Suddenly she saw that a window was open: "Somehow I immediately knew that someone had taken Madeleine with me." To date, she has made serious reproaches for leaving the little one alone.’



Read further —≥Entführungsfall - Maddie McCann: Hunderte Hinweise

 

[mrjitty]

I suspect they have more than this confession. Even from official channels you can surmise that. Firstly, HCW has spoken of evidence he cannot reveal to the public but the public already know about the confession. Secondly, when 60 minutes Australia interviewed HCW they asked at what point did they come to the conclusion that MM had died and he answered "some point in the last 2 years". The confession happened in 2017 and was apparently reported very soon after so it would indicate they have found something else more recently to convince them of the death.

I think this goes too far.

Assumption of death was made by both UK and PJ investigators in 2007 - this is hardly any great leap based on known evidence.

We can be certain that they cannot currently tie him directly to death because he has not been charged. So there might be 2 reasons for this.

1. They cannot prove the nature of the crime - e.g. how did she die?

2. They cannot prove identity - who did it?

IMO both 1 and 2 remain major issues for any investigation lacking a body. Not impossible to overcome, but the lack of charges is troubling given how far out on a limb they have gone.

my 02c

 

[mrjitty]

At some point in the last two years they concluded not only that she'd died but he was involved? That makes me think something they've found on USB or hard drives. That's only my opinion but I struggle to think of anything else. If it were her clothing they'd have forensic evidence wouldn't they?

Which will be horrific for her parent's.

Let's be realistic here.

If they had evidence of her on the USB drives the parents would have been informed.

I mean it is just 100% that they don't have that.

 

[Dlk79]

Let's be realistic here.

If they had evidence of her on the USB drives the parents would have been informed.

I mean it is just 100% that they don't have that.

Nonsense. They have no obligation to inform the parents of that, certainly not at this stage of the investigation when they are still investigating CB and are building evidence to file charges.

You cannot say they 100% don't have a video showing MM on the basis they haven't told the parents about it.

And if they don't have something like that, why haven't they just said so? I find it a little odd that every time HCW is asked about it he refuses to comment, saying he cannot confirm or deny whether they have a video/pictures of MM, yet he's quite happy to confirm or deny other things relating to evidence when asked about it.

 

[mrjitty]

Nonsense. They have no obligation to inform the parents of that, certainly not at this stage of the investigation when they are still investigating CB and are building evidence to file charges.

You cannot say they 100% don't have a video showing MM on the basis they haven't told the parents about it.

And if they don't have something like that, why haven't they just said so? I find it a little odd that every time HCW is asked about it he refuses to comment, saying he cannot confirm or deny whether they have a video/pictures of MM, yet he's quite happy to confirm or deny other things relating to evidence when asked about it.

Look German law enforcement are not monsters.

If they had hard proof, of course they would let the parents know.

If they had hard proof of abduction of course they would let the parents know.

I can't believe we are even discussing this - there are fundamental ethical and political considerations.

No German prosecutor is going to sit on that for years and then go to the parents and say oh by the way we've known for years here's the video.

That would be a scandal.

 

[worldwatcher]

Let's be realistic here.

If they had evidence of her on the USB drives the parents would have been informed.
I mean it is just 100% that they don't have that.

It must be a lot of work to go through these imagines,
thousands of footage of (his) crimes on USB/hard disks found recently,its hard to say if LE has yet proof of whatever happend to MM.(imo)

It is not even sure if the other -found mass childporn (Munster) is connected,that must also be loads to investigate for BKA.I do however think it is related.
Coincidence?? I don’t think so...
CB spend hours and hours on the dark web,exchanging info,thoughts,footages,etc etc.I am sure it was/is a platform for sick twisted.....!@#$%&*()_)#@
Missbrauch in Münster: Zu viele Fälle für zu wenig Ermittler

 

[SuperdadV8]

Look German law enforcement are not monsters.

If they had hard proof, of course they would let the parents know.

If they had hard proof of abduction of course they would let the parents know.

I can't believe we are even discussing this - there are fundamental ethical and political considertations.

No German prosecutor is going to sit on that for years and then go to the parents and say oh by the way we've known for years here's the video.

That would be a scandal.

I think they did via MP. They wrote a letter to the parents that they are investigating the case as a homicide. Although it is unusual to do that to witnesses, as MM's parents are. HCW said the letter was written, as an act of humanity.

 

[sleuth-d-]

Maybe the German LE have let the parents know. But don’t want the parents to release that knowledge into the public domain.

how does any member of the public know what the parents have been told?

 

[worldwatcher]

To answer my own question:
In 2013 (oct) is was on ZDF (Germany)and OV (Opsporing verzocht- Netherlands)
‘In the broadcast, everyone who was nearby during the girl's disappearance in 2007 was asked to report. Furthermore, thanks to Dutch tips, the police hope to be able to cross suspects off the list and to obtain more information about two blond young men and two collectors.’
Around 300 tips came in..
Privacy settings

 

[worldwatcher]

I don’t think its fair to jump to conclusions,ifs or whats the parents being told.The investigation is in full swing-for years now...so imo speculating about it,leaves to nowhere..MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe the German LE have let the parents know. But don’t want the parents to release that knowledge into the public domain.

how does any member of the public know what the parents have been told?

Well of course we don't know but then we wouldn't have seen the parents making inconsistent public statements and the letter fiasco.

 

[mrjitty]

I think they did via MP. They wrote a letter to the parents that they are investigating the case as a homicide. Although it is unusual to do that to witnesses, as MM's parents are. HCW said the letter was written, as an act of humanity.

The letter apparently said nothing different that what they announced already.

I mean again we have to be realistic here.

Victims have a special role in an investigation - especially a child murder.

If they have hard evidence, of course they will tell the parents that very carefully, even if the exact content they have to keep secret.

So each to their own, but I find the video idea to be wild, and based only on the fact that he had other videos he downloaded, plus of course his rape video.

 

[SuperdadV8]

The letter apparently said nothing different that what they announced already.

That's right, but in the parent's view maybe a little bit different also. If your missing child is treated as an abduction for thirteen years and out of nowhere german LE tells you, it is now investigated as a murder, than this can surely be seen as new info.

Of course, it is all speculative by now.

 

[worldwatcher]

The Dutch LE case number is 20070503
and the Dutch LE url about Maddie’s disappearance 2013
Missing Madeleine McCann Latest update: 10/16/2013 | 01:36 Case number: 20070503

ETA To my knowledge it hasn’t discussed here much,but MM disappearance happend just 2 days before MM family would end their holiday.taking their plane back to home.So I do think it must have been planned,the kidnapping!

 

[Dlk79]

Look German law enforcement are not monsters.

If they had hard proof, of course they would let the parents know.

If they had hard proof of abduction of course they would let the parents know.

I can't believe we are even discussing this - there are fundamental ethical and political considerations.

No German prosecutor is going to sit on that for years and then go to the parents and say oh by the way we've known for years here's the video.

That would be a scandal.

That argument doesn't stand up as we are effectively already in that situation. HCW has told everyone including the parents they know CB killed MM and have strong evidence to say why. They have also said they are not going to tell the parents what the evidence is. Whether that evidence is a video or not, is irrelevant. They've already made it clear they aren't going to reveal to the McCann's what it is they know that leads them to say their daughter is dead.

There's been some kickback and consternation about the McCanns being kept in the dark about it yes, but its hardly a "scandal". They take that criticism on the chin in light of the bigger picture which is getting the conviction, they have said as much.

Also, even if there is a video, it may not even be clear that it is of MM. I think what would be more of a scandal was if news of that video leaked to the press before they have enough evidence to charge anyone. Ultimately, if the McCann's knew about it, it would only be a matter of time before others close to them found out and the chance of a leak then grows exponentially.